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2010-09-01 at 16:09

Wireless switch

By Leith Dunick tbnewswatch.com
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Rogers wireless customers in the 807 area code will have a new service provider come November.

In return for providing Northern Ontario network access to Rogers customers based elsewhere in Canada, the company has agreed to allow TBayTel to take over its customer list, a move initially announced last March.

What wasn't known until Wednesday was the date of the switch.

TBayTel president and CEO Don Campbell called it a win-win strategic business move, adding that existing customers of the municipally owned utility will gain access to technology previously unavailable in Thunder Bay.

Campbell said both companies have taken the position that the transition must be a seamless one, though it won’t be as simple as flicking a switch and having Rogers customers instantly under the TBayTel umbrella.

"As you know, we’re building a 3G HSPA network here in Northern Ontario. It’s on target and we’re expecting that to be fired up in Thunder Bay and in the major regional centres by end of year. Certainly it will start in the fourth quarter. And we’re going to be corresponding the transfer of the customers from Rogers to TBayTel at that time," Campbell said.

The move will make Rogers the only national carrier with the ability to offer 3G service from Sault Ste. Marie to the Manitoba border.

"They don’t have that right now," Campbell said. "Their access is very limited. What they’re also going to benefit from is everything TBayTel brings to the table as a committed regional supplier in Northern Ontario, including very strong customer service, the ability to bundle products we already have, but which Rogers customers … do not have."

It will also open the globe for TBayTel’s wireless customers.

"From our present customers perspective, they’re going to get access to devices that we can’t get access to on the present network or with our present size. We’re going to get access to content and we’re going to get access to a worldwide network of roaming that will allow travelers in the TBayTel network to travel virtually around the world."

Rogers has already begun a mail campaign informing its customers of the pending switch; TBayTel plans a similar strategy beginning Thursday in which it will outline what impacts the changes might have.

According to TBayTel’s website, Rogers contracts will be honoured by TBayTel, according to the contract’s terms and conditions. However, TBaytel is not guaranteeing rates will remain exactly the same.

Phone numbers will not be affected, though one’s local calling area could be impacted – meaning long distance charges could be applied where previously there weren’t any.
Until customers upgrade to TBayTel’s 3G HSPA network, or replace their Rogers SIM card with one from TBaytel, the switch will be a billing change only. Customers will remain on their respective networks.

Teleco owner Frank Littlefield, whose local affiliation will also switch from Rogers to TBayTel, said he doesn’t see a downside from his end or the customer’s.

"It’s business as usual," he said. "It’s exciting times because my customers are now going to get coverage now for all of Northwestern Ontario. I’m excited about that."

The transition is expected to begin Nov. 1, though customers will be notified of the exact date their account will be transferred from one company to the other.

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crazypeter says:
Tbaytel has the worst network I have ever experienced...that's why I'm with Rogers. Who paid off who under the table? Business as usual in Thunder Bay.
9/1/2010 4:52:46 PM
Rick says:
So what is the financial incentive and payout to T Bay Tel for this deal.?

Or is it a freebie.?
9/1/2010 7:23:33 PM
elvis2010 says:
crazypeter, have you tried tbaytel lately? I work between Thunder Bay and Winnipeg and have full service from Thunder Bay to Winnipeg, with the exception of some low spots and rock cuts. I stand side by side with people I work with from Winnipeg and elsewhere from across Canada and the US on MTS, Telus, Koodo, Bell and Rogers, they have no signal and I have mid to full strength, the can't believe the difference in service I get with tbaytel compared to the "bigger" and "better" carriers.
9/1/2010 7:23:54 PM
educator says:
Crazypeter seems like an appropriate name, considering your comment is completely off the map.

If you think Rogers 7 towers for over 300,000 sq kms of Northwestern Ontario is a better service offering than tbaytel's 100 plus towers then you need professional help.

Currently Rogers customers have no service 30 minutes east or west of Thunder Bay. They have nothing from Pass Lake to SSM to the east and nothing to the west until Kenora.

This is a win win situation for all parties. Rogers was never going to expand in the North and Tbaytel was in need of a worldwide roaming partner.
9/1/2010 7:28:25 PM
keiths31 says:
I had Rogers and found it terrible. I have been happy with TBayTel. I do a lot of traveling for work and I get reception everywhere. My wife used to be with Rogers and couldn't get reception in the Tournament Centre while watching out kids play hockey. Good on TbayTel.
9/1/2010 7:44:16 PM
westfort says:
As a long time Rogers customer I am EXTREMELY disappointed that my loyalty to them is being sold to TBay Tel. I don't deal with TBay Tel because their prices were more expensive than Rogers. And it looks as if they will be able to raise prices. They're not guaranteeing that prices will stay the same? Rogers did. If they raise prices then that violates the contract and the customer should have the right to get out of it without penalty.

TBayTel is also known for their poor coverage/agreements with other providers in the US. Another reason I was with Rogers...I knew I would get coverage in the US.

Perhaps I will just change my number with Rogers to somewhere that TBay Tel didn't get to as I have a wonderful LD plan with Rogers. Knowing TBay Tel, they'll find a way to screw with that.

I guess I'll have to hope that TBay Tel stops messing with Bell and Telus so I can switch to them and use my iPhone on one of their networks.
9/1/2010 7:46:10 PM
The Wolf says:
Crazypeter - you are very mistaken on which provider has the better network. Rogers has the worst and most embarrassing coverage in this area of any provider that is here or has been here. Rogers has dead spots all over the city including the intercity area. It was a complete joke when Radio Shack/The Source was selling cell phones and couldn't get no reception.
9/1/2010 8:07:01 PM
pagirl says:
One good thing, I can now drive across NW Ontario and cell phone service.... Hope their rates don't skyrocket now though.
9/1/2010 8:21:08 PM
taiser says:
Rogers always had the best phone, however their coverage in this area was the WORST I had ever seen. Now, hopefully the coverage will be great and the sucky phones offered by tbaytel will be upgraded to something more usable...this should be a good move!
9/1/2010 8:31:24 PM
ConcernedDenizen says:
Many Tbaytel customers switched from Rogers because Rogers is actually the company with the worst network in Thunder Bay. Want to use your phone at camp, or while ice fishing, or at your home 15 minutes from town? Good luck doing that with the current Rogers network.

Rogers has had horrible coverage in this city and this news should improve the service for everyone.
9/1/2010 8:47:18 PM
thunder7 says:
@crazypeter

Oh and rogers works so well out of the city NOT. Rogers has the worst service in the city and surrounding areas. Way to go Tbaytel go get them
9/1/2010 8:50:10 PM
sfugere says:
If I wanted terrible customer service, hardware upgrades, crappy plans I would have stayed with Tbay Tel after they bought out Superior Wireless. My previous plan wasn't honoured, and my bill doubled for allot less then what I had. I was my choice to go with Rogers. It’s not my choice to go back to Tbay Tel. So Telus or Bell I guess idk...
9/1/2010 8:57:20 PM
renegade says:
well, crazypeter, you must not venture out too far, because in these here parts, t.bay tel has way better service than rogers. i've had both ,and rodgers is better "IF" you never venture outside the city limits, but beyond that t.bay tel has way better coverage for northwestern ontario. even in northern alberta t.bay tel had better coverage than rogers. i think combining these forces will be a great thing!! oh, and why do you expect a pay-off is involved? these are not our local politicians...this is real life bussiness!!!
9/1/2010 10:10:38 PM
Nitesky says:
Great. Rogers customers will finally hear something besides silence. I have nothing but praise for TBayTel. In town is one thing but just outside the city limits Rogers phones are dead. Even out in Sask. Rogers give poor to none functionality. No problems with my TBayTel phone no matter where I have been with it.
9/1/2010 10:54:52 PM
jb says:
TbayTel service is the reason I switched to Rogers. Time to switch to Koodo
9/1/2010 11:51:48 PM
tk0224 says:
I am very upset with this switch.

What bothers me the most is that this has been in the works for months, and we find out only now - 2 months before the fact.

I chose Rogers Wireless for a reason - I have a great deal with them, a plan you cannot beat, and credits for being a valued customer, and not to mention a very good data plan deal.

I am now told that I will be losing my credits, and that Tbaytel will "try their best" to match the plan I currently have with Rogers.

What gets me even more is that the contract I signed with Rogers will be transferred over to Tbaytel - so if I wanted to cancel once this switch happened, I would have to pay a whopping $400 cancellation fee to Tbaytel - who I chose NOT to go with for service in the first place!

I am flabbergasted that this is even legal to do - where has the choice gone in who I want to supply my services? And what is the point of signing a contract with a company who can just drop me and transfer my service to someone else who won't be offering me the same services.

It's funny how when it comes down to the contract, I am held accountable, but it seems that we cannot hold Rogers accountable for dropping us as customers - and with no say in this at all.

I think the CRTC needs to hear about the concern from Rogers customers in the area - this is unfair, and at the very least I should either be 100% matched in what I have and pay with Rogers right now, or the choice to cancel without penalty.

Where does the line get drawn?

I am curious to know how other Rogers customers feel about this.
9/2/2010 2:45:13 AM
ranma says:
So all us Rogers customers are going to have to get new phones because Rogers will not unlock our phones that we have with them to take to our new carrier. So all our data, messages, contacts etc will have to be ported over to our new phone that Tbaytel will have to give us, and that we will more then likely be forced to pay for.

Just bought an Iphone 4? Guess what you are totally screwed when the change over happens. Your phone is locked to Rogers, and you just wasted your 300 or so bux that you spent on your phone. Rogers has no reason to unlock your phone legally.

We as a collective of customers just got royally screwed.
9/2/2010 2:57:00 AM
sweetazmaple says:
i had superior they had good rates and was awesome soon as tbaytel took over the service was not good no more ,,,, i pitty you all in thunder bay ,,, plus they are not honouring your package that you are at shame on them ,,,, anyways at least u all have options now koodo,,, telus,,, and vergin ,,, and fido ,,,i like fido its is owned by rogers and they don't charge you the 6.95 a month service charge and a little cheaper than rogers ,,,good luck with it you all going to need it going to tbaytel
9/2/2010 7:32:55 AM
ConcernedDenizen says:
Dear Ranma: You are confused. Do you seriously think Rogers would tell all their customers in Thunder Bay that they need to switch to Tbaytel AND get a new phone? You keep your own phone! In fact tbaytel customers will have access to more phones than ever before because of this deal while current Rogers customers will have a larger coverage area.
9/2/2010 8:16:38 AM
nads74 says:
Rogers coverages do stink...but when Tbaytel didn't like that I switched my home phone to shaw they gave me such attitude that I went with Rogers...
So my questions...can I keep my SIM card? Paying tbaytel 5 bucks to switch a phone number to a different phone for me is a total rip off, I'd rather take out my sim card and put it into another phone!...
On the other flip of the coin...am I gonna still be charged 25 cents a text to the US (Rogers thing)as opposed to free with tbaytel???? I can guarantee that NO ONE will have the answers to these questions for a while, or I'll get conflicting answers for weeks! Not sure I'm super impressed with this, although better calling area would be nice....on the fence for sure! And won't be happy until my questions are answered for sure!
9/2/2010 8:27:11 AM
jh says:
I've been a heavy user with Rogers for 10 years. I've built a relationship with them. This is not just about coverage, this is much more about loyalty and the way Rogers treats it's loyal customers.

I do a lot of traveling; will my roaming rates remain the same? Just received the new iPhone 4, will they honour my 6 GB data plan? I bought it so that I can tether when I'm traveling... will it work? Will I keep the loyalty discounts I have now?

This seems like more of a benefit for Rogers customers outside 807 than those in it. Sure we will have increased service in NWO... but what about those of us who do not go to the region? Rogers reception was just fine in Thunder Bay.. I don't have any dead spots.

We have also lost the functionality of the Rogers website. Rogers also has way more appealing ad-ons for your account... will those still be available?

I hope that TbayTel gives Teleco the power to keep their customers happy. I'm a long time fan of Teleco's service and I hope it remains the same.

I can't call 'shame' until this all rolls out... but this is quite a shocker for current Rogers customers..
9/2/2010 9:01:40 AM
taralee8601 says:
i do not want to be with tbay tel was with them years ago and they were difficult to deal with and plans were horrible......TELL ME ..how is it legal to switch my service without my authorization ??????????? i want nothing to do with them at all...so i am forced into them .......b***sh*T !!!!!!!!
9/2/2010 9:20:07 AM
loring says:
i love tbtel and the service it provides and i know my money is putting local people to work
and is staying here. how is that bad?i am only with rogers because i was forced to if i wanted
an iphone,now i have another option.just hope this dosnt impact teleco adversly.
9/2/2010 9:29:19 AM
ohplease says:
tk0224, there was an article on tbnewswatch about 2 1/2 months ago about this, and when I was in the tbaytel store about 2 months ago they informed me of all the changes prior to me purchasing a more expensive smartphone so I could access the internet. They told me that by the end of the year I would be able to subscribe to the internet on my current phone, so instead of paying $200+ to get out of my current contract and get a blackberry, they told me I should just wait. They actually saved me money....hmm...go figure. Ranma, they also told me that all the phones that Rogers carries will be available with the new network, and will be sold at tbaytel as well. (ie: Tbaytel is going to be selling iphones)

Typical Thunder Bay reaction....of course it's a bad thing - it's change. Biggest thing that I hate about this city. Crappy attitudes.
9/2/2010 10:07:34 AM
educator says:
I love how everyone complains, but no one has been given the facts. Stop assuming you know what is going to happen. Knowledge is power and education is the key.



Plus you can also call rogers or tbaytel for confirmation and information rather than posting conjecture on a website.
9/2/2010 10:22:10 AM
oilersbaby says:
Im very happy for tbaytel! I have had a cell phone with them for as long as i can remember and i have never had a problem with any service, and the internet reception on my phone is incredible. Glad this happened, all i hear in poor poor service Rogers had provided over the years. Lets make and keep it local! My tbaytel cell is great for travelling, which i do alot of!
9/2/2010 10:35:54 AM
wlc says:
On my last 2 road trips to Winnipeg in June/July I was able to get a signal from Raith to Winnipeg on the DMTS network, and the same from Quetico to Winnipeg, travelling through Fort Frances. I was able to pick up a signal in Sioux Lookout also. I chose Rogers because the majority of my calling would be done in the city and have been happy with the service and their products. Will have to see what my other options are because i do not support the switch to Tbaytel.
9/2/2010 10:59:10 AM
Sandwiches1123 says:
Oh the ignorance. Where to begin?

westfort: I hope you don't have children, grandchildren, nieces, nephews, cousins, or other family members who don't attend or participate in one of the hundreds of events annually that TBayTel sponsors. People in this city forget that Rogers doesn't sponsor anything in this city. When you send your money to them for your cell phone bill *poof* its all going to Vernon Wells' contract. TBayTel on the other hand sponsors a wide variety of events in this city that probably couldn't have survived without their corporate sponsorship. So my options are this: I have to pay an extra $4.95 per month for my cell phone and I get an organization that keeps sponsorship dollars in Thunder Bay; or I get that good old cheaper rate from a company that has no connection to this city.

Now, I don't mean to knock Rogers. They employ people here in Thunder Bay and offer an alternative to TBayTel which keeps them both competitive for service in town.

This partnership was announced on March 25, 2010 so don't say you didn't know about it. Its not like the story was buried either. Google "TBayTel Rogers Partnership" and you will see what I mean.

For anyone who didn't actually read the article: your hardware remains the same, the only thing that will change is that you will have a new sim card for your current phone. All Rogers products will now be offered to TBayTel customers and vice versa. For the chap who bought the Iphone4: how exactly were you maximizing that tool on a Rogers' network that had poor speed. How is a 3G network not an upgrade for you? Do you know how to use a smart phone or is this simply a gadget that you can show off to your friends but you don't really understand how it all works.

I can understand how you may not like TBayTel because of a poor customer service issue you had in the past or maybe you don't get 5 bars when you are out on Arrow Lake, but look at the facts. Rogers does very little to help Thunder Bay in comparison to TBayTel.

So many people are talking about the economy and how Thunder Bay doesn't really have any opportunity for jobs because companies don't have satellite offices here. The attitude towards TBayTel is just one of the reasons that businesses stay away.
9/2/2010 11:10:07 AM
oilersbaby says:
Im very happy for tbaytel! I have had a cell phone with them for as long as i can remember and i have never had a problem with any service, and the internet reception on my phone is incredible. Glad this happened, all i hear in poor poor service Rogers had provided over the years. Lets make and keep it local! My tbaytel cell is great for travelling, which i do alot of!
9/2/2010 11:31:03 AM
tbaybmkr says:
This will be cool! I will now be able to get an iphone 4 through tbaytel!!
9/2/2010 1:34:16 PM
kemosobie says:
I have been a loyal customer of Tbay tel for years, and years. I have never, ever, been disapointed by the service they provided. The only down side they had was the phones they got, were historic when they finally got ahold of them.

Rogers customers - I hate it when you use my phone 10 minutes out of town because yours doesnt work. guess what, now it will.
9/2/2010 2:18:13 PM
thunderbayr says:
What is it with this city? I have lived here in total for almost 7 years, and all I ever hear about or even see for that matter is People complaining about change, have these people even stopped to think maybe just maybe change is a GOOD thing? I can't wait for the change to happen with tbaytel and rogers, my only concern with it is how many bugs there will be (as there is with any new system)
9/2/2010 2:23:26 PM
westfort says:
For those who want better area coverage it's a good thing, but if you are one of those people you would already be with TBayTel. I don't need better local coverage, I need better service elsewhere and better customer service. I never got that with TBayTel's home phone service so I dumped them to save $. I don't like their monopoly and the fact that they block other providers from offering service here. If you have an iPhone and are with Virgin Mobile, Bell, or Telus, you are screwed if you visit T Bay and want to use your iPhone. It won't work even for calls. And that's because of TBayTel. Happened to my friend who is here from Nova Scotia. Also my cousin from VAncouver who couldn't use his Blackberry here for anything other than calls...and it didn't always work.

For those who say that the money stays here...what about all the people Rogers employs? And where does the money go? Not to lower rates....and not to lower any taxes. Perhaps to their useless board members.

Rogers has excellent service...especially when you're travelling. TBayTel is horrible if you leave the region. Personally I have not had a problem with Rogers service in the almost 15 years I have dealt with them, nor has any of my friends who do. When I had my home phone service with TBayTel I have encountered mostly rude people who most of the time didn't know what they were talking about.

Bottomline is that I don't want my money going to TBayTel anymore and have lost the option to choose.

This will benefit some people, but by taking away choice it doesn't benefit anyone financially other than TBayTel who most likely will be raising rates to those of us who use iPhones and other devices that won't work on Bell or Telus networks.

Instead of opening this city up to more choice, it is now being taken away. If TBayTel is so good then offer us more choice and better prices and maybe we'll CHOOSE to go there, not be forced and told it's good for the local enconomy.....when it really isn't.
9/2/2010 2:27:07 PM
tk0224 says:
@ohplease - This was not made official until only recently - none of the media releases outlined the switch. My friend just re-signed last week with Rogers and got a new phone and was not told a single thing about this.

I have thoroughly read thru Tbaytel's site on the Roger's switch, and talked to them personally:

"Q. WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO MY CONTRACT WITH ROGERS?
A. Your current contract with Rogers will be honoured by TBayTel according to its terms and conditions.

Q. WILL MY CURRENT PROMOTIONS AND DISCOUNTS BE TRANSFERRED TO MY TBAYTEL ACCOUNT?
A. Your current promotions and discounts you have with Rogers (if applicable to you) will end on the effective date of transfer.
TBayTel will offer you new plans and has made every effort to match your current Rogers plan and price. Plan details and options will be provided to you and have been tailored to suit your needs.
New 3G HSPA competitive plans have been developed and will be available to you when you upgrade to a 3G HSPA device with TBayTel."

These two answers seem to be very conflicting. There should be no "trying" here - if they are honouring MY contract - which includes my credits, my data plan and so forth, it should be 100% the exact same deal I had with Rogers.

I agree with jh - this is about loyalty. I'm glad all the Tbaytel customers are happy with their service - good for you guys. But I am happy with MY service from Rogers.

Unless Tbaytel can give me the exact same price plan, exact same data plan, and maintain my customer loyalty credits I will deem this process extremely unfair, and unethical.

Not too mention changes in cost - I goto the USA frequently and benefit from the good USA plans that Rogers offers. There is a lot changing here and it isn't just a simple "flip over" and everything will be fine. This is going to cause quite the mess.

I see that Rogers customers in Kenora actually have to change their phone numbers… that should sit well with them.

What I truly want to know is where in my contract with Rogers it says that it is okay to just drop me and transfer my service and contract to another company. Maybe in the event of a company buying out another company, but that is certainly not the case here!

I spoke with the CRTC about this today and they directed me to a few departments to lodge complaints with - the rep on the phone said that although they don't have a lot of say in regulation of cell phone companies since they are minimally regulated, she seemed to think that the customers should be given a choice and not simply told this is how it is going to be.
9/2/2010 4:55:26 PM
tk0224 says:
@ohplease "Typical Thunder Bay reaction....of course it's a bad thing - it's change. Biggest thing that I hate about this city. Crappy attitudes."

This is NOT a typical Thunder Bay reaction or about having a crappy attitude - a typical happening in Thunder Bay is monopoly after monopoly. People should be able to choose from a variety of companies based on what they want, please explain to me how being forced to switch to a company you chose not to go with in the first place is ethical, and correct action on the part of a business?

Do you shop at a particular grocery store? What if it was decided that every grocery store in town would now become Safeway, it takes away from your right to shop at the store you chose, and forces you to pay their prices. We live in a free country, where we should be able to always freely choose where we feel we want to shop and obtain services from. Never should we be forced into something that we are not supportive of, and especially when a legal contract is involved.

Like I said to the Tbaytel customers that are happy - great to hear. But there are very HAPPY Rogers customers that are treated very well by the company who do not agree with having to give up their services. If this was going in the opposite direction I'd expect to hear an uproar from Tbaytel customers as well. And I doubt for a second that any Tbaytel customer would support such a switch!
9/2/2010 5:04:05 PM
tk0224 says:
@ohplease "Typical Thunder Bay reaction....of course it's a bad thing - it's change. Biggest thing that I hate about this city. Crappy attitudes."

This is NOT a typical Thunder Bay reaction or about having a crappy attitude - a typical happening in Thunder Bay is monopoly after monopoly. People should be able to choose from a variety of companies based on what they want, please explain to me how being forced to switch to a company you chose not to go with in the first place is ethical, and correct action on the part of a business?

Do you shop at a particular grocery store? What if it was decided that every grocery store in town would now become Safeway, it takes away from your right to shop at the store you chose, and forces you to pay their prices. We live in a free country, where we should be able to always freely choose where we feel we want to shop and obtain services from. Never should we be forced into something that we are not supportive of, and especially when a legal contract is involved.

Like I said to the Tbaytel customers that are happy - great to hear. But there are very HAPPY Rogers customers that are treated very well by the company who do not agree with having to give up their services. If this was going in the opposite direction I'd expect to hear an uproar from Tbaytel customers as well. And I doubt for a second that any Tbaytel customer would support such a switch!
9/2/2010 5:04:57 PM
The Wolf says:
To all Rogers customers be aware that going to Koodoos or Telus may not be your best plan of attack. Do some research and ask some questions as rumour has it they will not be allowed to use the TBaytel network in the near future and the phones in this area will not work. Dont flame me just keep an eye on it and don't be afraid to ask questions to Tbaytel or Rogers.
9/2/2010 5:06:46 PM
tk0224 says:
@ohplease "Typical Thunder Bay reaction....of course it's a bad thing - it's change. Biggest thing that I hate about this city. Crappy attitudes."

This is NOT a typical Thunder Bay reaction or about having a crappy attitude - a typical happening in Thunder Bay is monopoly after monopoly. People should be able to choose from a variety of companies based on what they want, please explain to me how being forced to switch to a company you chose not to go with in the first place is ethical, and correct action on the part of a business?

Do you shop at a particular grocery store? What if it was decided that every grocery store in town would now become Safeway, it takes away from your right to shop at the store you chose, and forces you to pay their prices. We live in a free country, where we should be able to always freely choose where we feel we want to shop and obtain services from. Never should we be forced into something that we are not supportive of, and especially when a legal contract is involved.

Like I said to the Tbaytel customers that are happy - great to hear. But there are very HAPPY Rogers customers that are treated very well by the company who do not agree with having to give up their services. If this was going in the opposite direction I'd expect to hear an uproar from Tbaytel customers as well. And I doubt for a second that any Tbaytel customer would support such a switch!
9/2/2010 5:06:55 PM
Lauren123 says:
This is absolutely ridiculous!!! What happens to my picture messaging and access to facebook and twitter?? tbaytel does not have these features
9/2/2010 6:32:50 PM
sfugere says:
Everyone thinks Tbay Tel is so GREAT. Well try to upgrades, try to get loyalty discounts,unlimited incoming calls, 1000 ld mins for $5, Hell try to get Talk Spot Canada wide so ur cell phone can have unlimited LD and local call from anywhere in Canada. Even way up North like Fort Hope or other places that have access to a high speed wifi. I only pay $390+ taxes for 7 Blackberry's with all of that. So with Tbay Tel I would guess $70+ taxes per BB. Great Rates eh. Still think Tbay Tel is so Great. No upgrades until ur contract is about to expire, unlike Rogers...
9/2/2010 7:11:48 PM
educator says:
I'm willing to bet all your "Negative Nellies, Billy Blamers and Vinnie Venters" are former tbaytel customers who wanted every thing for free.

You thought you should get a free phone every time a new model was released, no matter where you were in the contract you signed and agreed to.

You believed tbaytel should replace the phone you dropped or lost for free even though they have just given you a phone for a heavily reduced rate.

Your expectation was your plan should offer unlimited minutes and features for $25.00/month.

I've worked in sales for a number of years. In that time, I've found the most vocal amongst us to be the ones who rarely pay their bills and complain habitually while expecting everything for free. I call it, the "I'm Important Syndrome."

Here's some reading material for you. Hope it helps you become a little more enlightened about the way the world works.



9/2/2010 7:28:23 PM
a nonny mouse says:
Tbaytel has advised me on numerous occasions that the reason Rogers service is so scarce in our region is because their technologically advanced system isn't compatible with tbaytel's archaic towers. This has honestly come from the mouths of atleast 3 very knowledgeable and high ranking tbaytel employees, so i believe it. I don't think that it is fair to bash rogers for their crappy coverage, because i doubt it was financially feasible for them to put up enough towers to cover this area. Tbaytel won't even put them up out hwy 61, although they often say it is coming in the future...because at this time it isn't worth their investment....so who can really blame rogers? I was with Roger's and had a fabulous plan and a super nice phone (which wasn't compatible with tbaytel) but was forced to switch to the more expensive tbaytel pkgs because i needed coverage at camp and between here and southern ontario. Hopefully this new situation will benefit the user although it appears to me that yet again, tbaytel will have the monopoly and we might be gouged by their pricing. Let's all hope for the best....
9/2/2010 8:45:35 PM
educator says:
@sweetazmaple

You might want to read this () before dispensing anymore wisdom.

And by the way "vergin" or as the rest of us refer to it "Virgin" doesn't work in Thunder Bay or anywhere else in tbaytel's coverage area.

Sure you could go with Telus or Koodo, if you don't mind the fact they have no local service, no local network and no way to contact customer service if your phone gets suspended for non payment.

Keep sharing your knowledge, wisdom and advice. LOL
9/2/2010 10:22:20 PM
nvjgu says:
I also do not support the switch cince A lot of my time is spent down southern ont
9/2/2010 10:32:08 PM
FernandoMartinez says:
I'm a customer with Rogers. When I first got a cell phone, I knew next to nothing about them. I basically just wanted to have it for emergencies. I would use it very little, maybe the occasional text.

Then I got locked in a three year contract with Rogers - with a $400 cancellation fee - with bills around $60 a month for a phone I barely use.

When I took the Greyhound to Winnipeg to visit my sister last Christmas, the bus caught fire and broke down for two and a half hours in Shabaqua on the way back home during a minor snowstorm. Rogers didn't have coverage at Shabaqua. Nobody else did, except for one person who had TBayTel. Everything was closed in Shabaqua at that time.

So I couldn't call a relative to come pick me up even though I live off a street on Highway 102, not too far from Shabaqua.

Last month, Rogers stuck me with a $100 phone bill for no apparent reason. The charges on the bill didn't make sense. I called the customer service number and the guy on the phone explained two of the three questionable charges.

I then e-mailed a customer service rep to explain to me again. I was told three different things by these people. A couple back-and-forth e-mails, and they had to have another customer service rep explain away the charges and he told me something completely different than the other two had told me.

I had to get rid of all my basic services like caller ID (for a gouging $8/month, whereas with TBayTel, it's free), even though I've received threatening and harassing calls and had caller ID for that very purpose.

This move is great news for me because now I'll get more coverage, a lower phone bill, my money will be going to a local company, and I'll more than likely have more competent customer service.

On the other hand, Rogers did have better add-ons than TBayTel, especially for US/International texting (My girlfriend is in the US).

Hopefully TBayTel can work a deal with me. They said they'd work to match Rogers' services and prices. Let's see what I can get in the way of US texting.
9/3/2010 3:09:05 AM
nads74 says:
@FernandoMartinez "On the other hand, Rogers did have better add-ons than TBayTel, especially for US/International texting (My girlfriend is in the US).

Hopefully TBayTel can work a deal with me. They said they'd work to match Rogers' services and prices. Let's see what I can get in the way of US texting."

I don't know what kind of plan you had for great US texting but I have rogers and my husband has tbaytel...its free for him to text his sister in the states and it costs me .25 cents!...

I'm sure tbaytel is being overwhelmed with phone calls, because I definitely have a TON of questions!!!
9/3/2010 8:02:19 AM
nfa16 says:
Fernando, tbaytel offers unlimited international texting for $4.95 a month. I have it, I text like crazy and have friends in upstate New York I text all the time :)
9/3/2010 9:13:34 AM
nads74 says:
@FernandoMartinez "On the other hand, Rogers did have better add-ons than TBayTel, especially for US/International texting (My girlfriend is in the US).

Hopefully TBayTel can work a deal with me. They said they'd work to match Rogers' services and prices. Let's see what I can get in the way of US texting."

I don't know what kind of plan you had for great US texting but I have rogers and my husband has tbaytel...its free for him to text his sister in the states and it costs me .25 cents!...

I'm sure tbaytel is being overwhelmed with phone calls, because I definitely have a TON of questions!!!
9/3/2010 9:34:13 AM
educator says:
@ Westfort

"I don't like their monopoly and the fact that they block other providers from offering service here. If you have an iPhone and are with Virgin Mobile, Bell, or Telus, you are screwed if you visit T Bay and want to use your iPhone. It won't work even for calls. And that's because of TBayTel. Happened to my friend who is here from Nova Scotia. Also my cousin from VAncouver who couldn't use his Blackberry here for anything other than calls...and it didn't always work."

Where to start?

TBayTel doesn't determine who offers service, Industry Canada does through their spectrum auction process.



Your iPhone comments are also way off base as there is NO HSPA service in Thunder Bay and Bell and Telus can't roam on Rogers Edge network! So of course the iPhone won't work.

People do your research and ask questions before ranting. I am happy about this change it gives me access to the latest hardware and international roaming.

9/3/2010 10:14:40 AM
thunder7 says:
I can't believe all these people saying they have better plans with rogers, they have had the worst coverge and txt plan around along with bell and telus. You're all mad that you can't use those useless things on your phone that rogers and the other 2 up sell you on. How can you compare 200 local min 15 dollar data plan unlimited txting anywhere in the world for 40 dollars on my bb. Welcome change all you naysayers,its the way of life things change and always will unless your from Thunder Bay
9/3/2010 12:54:45 PM
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