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2010-09-07 at 6:00 PM

Area MPs say they'll still vote to end long-gun registry

By Jamie Smith tbnewswatch.com
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Both area MPs say they’re not changing their vote when it comes to killing the long-gun registry.

Although fellow NDP MP Glenn Thibeault announced Tuesday that he’ll now vote to keep the registry when Parliament votes on a Liberal motion Sept.22 which would put an end to a Conservative private members bill aimed at quashing the controversial registry. MP Bruce Hyer (NDP Thunder Bay-Superior North) said he will not be changing his vote.

"I absolutely will vote to continue the debate I will not vote to kill that bill," Hyer said.

If the Liberal motion is defeated, Hyer said the bill to end the registry won’t go before Pariliament for a couple of months. In that time compromises, amendments or new information could come up that would change his mind but he’s doubtful. Hyer said he didn’t want to speculate on what those changes could be.

"You know two months is a long time…I’d be very silly to say that I will never ever change my mind," said Hyer. "I’ve learned that it’s never over until it’s over I’m not pre-judging and I don’t have certain ones in mind myself."

Although NDP leader has been criticized for weak leadership in allowing his members to vote freely on the issue, Hyer said he’s proud that his party hasn’t decided to whip the vote. At odds with Layton over the registry, Hyer said he has been getting some pressure to change his vote but as the NDP caucus meets next week to discuss its options, Hyer said he hopes his party can find a solution.

"We’re going to be searching our souls and our heads for good ideas on how to come out of this with a win-win if that’s at all possible," Hyer said.

MP John Rafferty (NDP, Thunder Bay-Rainy River) said he will not be changing his vote to end the registry and expects pressure from both sides of the issue to increase before the Sept. 22 vote.

Rafferty and Hyer were two of 12 NDP MPs voting with the Conservatives to end the long-gun registry.

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dynamiter says:
Just remember - we are watching you - show up for the vote and make the vote - and remember - we are watching this
9/7/2010 8:11:22 PM
deerhunting101 says:
We are watching and if you don't show up and vote to get rid of the registry, many in this region will be showing up in great numbers to vote you both out of office.
9/7/2010 8:48:21 PM
Luke-m says:
Ya right, as if you voted for them in the first place. Nice try.
9/7/2010 11:02:13 PM
worker1 says:
What a waste of tax payers money...get rid of this useless registry the government is pointing the gun at us and robbing us blind..
It doesn't work period !!
9/7/2010 11:27:18 PM
pieislandrefugee says:
The amount of misinformation flying around in favour of the registration is amazing. The anti-gun wackos keep claiming that somehow the registry will prevent those with mental illness from comitting suicide or domestic crimes with a gun.

Sorry folks, the registry doesnt do that any more than your registered automobile prevents you from driving while impaired.

The PAL takes all these factors into consideration, because being able to own and purchase a firearm is whats important when considering mental illness or if someone becomes a threat to society. Whether or not the gun is registered does not matter as to what crimes can be comitted with it.

Also, the liberal nutjobs keep on claiming that the conservatives are trying to create a police state, while talking out the other side of their mouths they call for gun registry, and complain about lightening the legal requirements to complete the long form sentence.

The double speak is unreal here.

Which brings me to how our local guys are going to vote. They better show up. They better vote to end the registry, regardless of what Taliban Jack says. They represent US, not Jack.

and no, I didnt vote for them, but Id sure give them my vote before I gave it to the liberal party. If they cave in on this issue, Im pretty sure it will be their political end in Thunder Bay.

unless the ministry of dis-information has brainwashed too many of you into thinking the registry saves lives.

Of course the registry cannot show one case where it has.
9/8/2010 9:34:23 AM
nolanmoore says:
What some dont realize is while police do link into the database it DOES NOT change the way they approach a complaint. They will go to a call with caution whether there is a registered gun on site or not. This is just a waste. The FAC will also do the same thing, allow officers to know if this person owns a gun.
9/8/2010 12:08:17 PM
Steven says:
This is the biggest waste of money since e-health!

Thanks to our MP's if they actually show up to vote this registry into oblivion.

If not, there will be hell to pay come election day!

Pieisland, I LOVE you analogue with the car being registered, but that it doesn't prevent drunk driving! FANTASTIC!
9/8/2010 12:54:32 PM
psmith says:
I'd like to echo people here saying that WE WILL BE WATCHING. Show up to vote and keep your word.

REPRESENT YOUR CONSTITUENTS, NOT SOME PARTY LINE. If you don't, your word will be mud.

But I'd also like to say it goes both ways: you show up, you vote the way you said you will, and I and voters will treat you with respect and appreciation at the voting booth.

I agree that allowing a free vote is the better thing for parties to do. Too bad all parties don't allow more free votes, otherwise we'd have had more progress on this and other things years ago. Enough of this party control.
9/8/2010 12:59:13 PM
tudor says:
I am not really sure where I am on this issue but I do think our local rep's, especially Bruce are hedging their bets. Layton is trying to wriggle out of the box he is in and it may cost him some support.

I am not an NDP supporter by any means, but my main reason for posting is this,

isn't it funny that postings, like the one below from pieslandrefugee, often have those threats in them about losing the next election if they don't vote the way "they are supposed to".

If every politician worried about that, they wouldn't vote on anything.

REFUGEE - you state in your posting that things like mental illness is one of many factors considered before issuing a permit.

why don't you try that with your politics.

instead of making any one issue the make or break of deciding who to support, why not look at the entire performance of your rep. to see if you should support them or not.

I don't like the NDP, but they should not be judged on one issue, good or bad but on their entire performance or their platform.

To measure any politician by one issue lowers the quality of all politicians who then tend to try and not offend anyone.

You cannot govern effectively if you are always looking over your shoulder. Unfortunately, too many in the voting public don't take the time to review the entire job someone does.

threats like those are meaningless and lower the quality of any discussion.
9/8/2010 1:10:02 PM
yqtyqt says:
Allowing a free vote is always the preferred route. MPs (and MPPs) should always vote on behalf of those who put them into Ottawa or Toronto. Unfortunately, all too often, our reps have to follow party lines or risk being cut off from the perks. Witness our two local MPPs. These two sadsacks have to vote in favour of Health tax, eco tax, HST, support eHealth, Lotto Scams, MMA, LHIN etc. They have no choice and are merely puppets for their leaders in Toronto.

What a sad political situation they have put themselves in.

As far as the gun registry is concerned, kill it. Only the left wing liberal wackjobs and the spendcrazy cops are keeping this alive.
9/8/2010 4:25:29 PM
pieislandrefugee says:
tudor, I can agree with you. I suppose the strong talk is based more on how Rafferty failed to show up for a vote leading up to this. He claimed it did not matter.

he may have been right.

but I dont think such a lackluster, non-chalant approach should be taken with this issue. I believe this is the one issue the NDP won on here.

so, if they dont perform as they both promised, I still believe its political suicide.

time will tell I guess.
9/8/2010 5:58:22 PM
lori says:
ahhhhhhhhh yqt, there you go again.

is it impossible for you to use borish language to describe people.

sadsacks and puppets.

Yeah, Gravelle and Mauro are puppets. I mean how stupid are they getting billions of dollars from the Premier for incredible stuff here in t.bay.

Puppets getting hundreds of new jobs at Bombardier.

Getting a second cardio program, a third mri, new courthouse, new margaret smith centre, millions upon millions upon millions for highway imnprovements.

Again YQT, I know you will ignore this statement but for those who may not be aware of this difference of opinion between you and I, here is the challenge,

name me one politician who has brought more to t.bay than Mauro/Gravelle.

Just name one. I have only asked you this about a dozen times. Are you still trying to come up with a name.

Have your NDP friends in Ottawa brought new jobs here. I am sure you can point them out for me and list the announcements of funding and support.

So you want a free vote by the NDP for this. So for you, this is a good thing by our MP's that does nothing to bring jobs and money here.

Our MPP's who you accuse of just voting the party line bring billions here, more money than in our history and to you, that is a bad thing.

No wonder you have to repeat your letters twice. You are pretty thick.

As for the vote on this, the NDP are backed in to a corner and I love it.

If they support the conservatives and kill it, they will be forever branded by law enforcement agencies and non-gun owners as the group that killed this. If they don't kill it, those opposed to the registry will crucify them.

Like the NDP have been doing to the Liberals in Ottawa for the past four years, it is the NDP's turn to squirm and I could not be happier.

As for what will happen, who knows. NOt a big deal for me, Harper is still my guy. I could care less about this either way.
9/9/2010 5:34:37 PM
tudor says:
piesland, not a problem.

I do agree that if they do not vote that way, it will cause them some grief with the voters. But that is what happens when you make promises.

I have never wanted a politician to make me promises but one. I want them to work their butt off for me.

How can you make promises in this game unless you are a dictator. I always respect those who say things like,

this is what I want,
this is what I will try and do
this is what I believe needs to take place

We will see how this one turns out
9/9/2010 5:38:21 PM
Jolly Wally says:
Of note I refer those interested in the Long barrel gun registry debate to Mr John Kennedy's former OPP Officer letter to the editor in the CJ 12/9 edition. A first hand observation and his personal opinion of the long barrel registry and it's effectiveness. I'm not a political supporter of either Mr Heyewr nor Rafferty but on this issue I agree with their position and comments that to date neither have heard a shred of evidence to convince them that the long barrel registry is effective in either preventing serious crimes nor saving lives.nor is it necessarily reliable.Mr Kennedys first hand and on the beat experiences with the registry will not be of too much help in getting that evidence

9/12/2010 11:07:40 AM
TMoss says:
You know who gets killed by long guns? Women and cops. Do the right thing, Bruce; most people don't get the opportunity you have now.
9/12/2010 2:24:26 PM
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