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2012-02-01 at 17:08

Prostitution problem

By Jamie Smith, tbnewswatch.com
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A city councillor says the city’s problem with prostitution will not be solved overnight.

Coun. Paul Pugh, whose McKellar ward encompasses both downtown cores, said prostitution is an ongoing issue in the city. Residents raised concerns to him at a recent ward meeting, saying that there has been an increase in prostitution in McKellar at all areas of the day and night.

They also told him that men were approaching girls in the neighbourhood thinking they were prostitutes.

“Their young daughter and her friends (were) being approached in the afternoon by various men as they were walking home from the bus stop,” minutes from Pugh’s October ward meeting state.

Pugh said he’s hoping the city’s drug strategy and crime prevention council can help.

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 “Hopefully between those two committees working together with other parts of the city we’re going to make some headway. I don’t have any immediate answers. I think it would be utopian to think we’re going to solve this problem overnight but I think with consistent effort we’ll eventually see some progress.”

He’s also been in regular contact with police about the issue. But while they monitor areas and are good at making their presence known where prostitution is high, it won’t solve the problem Pugh said.

“If the police are concentrating in one area what happens is the problem just moves to another area. It doesn’t really disappear.”

Pugh said he believes the root causes of prostitution, poverty and drugs, need to be addressed.

“I think that between those two, that generates the bulk of the problem with prostitution and I don’t believe that blaming the prostitutes themselves is the answer. We have to get to the cause of the problem,” he said.

“I don’t think many women get into prostitution because they want to, it’s something that they feel economically forced to do and I think that we have to deal with the socioeconomic realities that are behind the problem.”

 

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george2000 says:
I am sorry Mr. Pugh, you do not know what you are talking about.

Prostitution is a crime and we all know that there is no crime in Thunder Bay.

I happen to live in my large home with an alarm and the six of us feel quite safe here. I think he is making this stuff up.
2/1/2012 5:15:20 PM
tsb says:
You're more likely to be murdered by a member of your family than by anyone else.

Sleep tight!!!!!!
2/1/2012 5:29:05 PM
Canuckman55 says:
nice that you can make light about a story involving young women being put at risk of potential harm... how about letting people with legitimate comments do the talking?

Personally I think the feds should decriminalize prostitution but force it into designated buildings, with medical tests and proper security to protect the women. I think it should be run like a business, and they should have to pay taxes, which will help to cover the security and medical costs. As trent said below, it will never go away. It is the world's oldest profession. It would be better to ensure that people are safe instead of trying to accomplish the impossible.
2/1/2012 6:12:46 PM
george2000 says:
yes I was making light, because we always hear about crime in this city and no one ever does anything about it. Have you heard Mr. Pugh previously discuss crime. No but at a ward meeting because his constituents raised it, it is now a news story. Is making it legal the answer. It would solve some issues but I wonder if those women in Denmark or Amstradam feel the same. I wonder if the women are really there out of "choice". I wonder if they are making all of the money.
It is the oldest profession. It will never go away. It will always be here but what are we trying to solve here.
Are we trying to solve the reasons these women are in the business or was this story simply to try to solve the area concerns of residents.
Darn right I am jaded over crime talk in this city. It is a joke. So forgive my making light initially and realize that I do care about victims. I don't care about someone trying to gain political points on a story like this or the media glossing over the true victims.
2/1/2012 8:17:00 PM
trent says:
Prostitution will NEVER go away. It has been going on since the beginning of human civilization. The market will always be there.
2/1/2012 5:25:22 PM
homelessteen says:
I think a web site which posts pics of vehicles with sex trade workers getting in and license plates which are collected on vehicles going around the blocks of Mckenzie and Simpson more than four times on a regular basis would be a good start to making the tricks think twice. Also the sting operations should be going on every Friday night.
2/1/2012 5:48:08 PM
Dr. Double Double says:
I was thinking of setting one up myself. Too many times I've seen the prostitutes get picked up right out in the open.
2/2/2012 1:52:16 AM
crazyforweed says:
nevermind every friday , this is a everyday basis friday's are more busy due to it ,usually being a payday for most ,it is outrageous the crap that goes on!
2/2/2012 6:08:13 PM
ranma says:
Prostitution is LEGAL in Canada, just everything surrounding it is not. Living off the avails of it, communicating in public, etc. Some people sadly do not have a choice and make this line of work their life. Some people do have a choice and decide the money is easy and do it.

If it was made 100% legal with proper housing and security, things would be a lot better. For the women, and for the general public as the men and women looking for this kind of action would not have to ask people on the street if they have the time. If they can do it in Europe and Australia, why not in Canada? Legalize it, tax it, and give them proper health insurance. After all is that not why the Supreme Court of Ontario struck down our prostitution laws in 2010? The government is still waiting to appeal as far as I can find.
2/1/2012 5:53:17 PM
Dr. Double Double says:
The Polish Alliance on Court Street seems to be one of the favourite locales to work from. That section of Court Street from the Royalton to Tony and Adams, they work right out in the open. I see the same girls out there all the time.

Same with McKenzie Street right in front of the Church too and extends in each direction for a few blocks. Your stupid Eye on the Street cameras don't do anything.

I've followed people I've personally witnessed picking up prostitutes. I'll chase them around town in my vehicle to stop them from ever doing it again. I think I've done more to stop prostitution than our cops have.
2/1/2012 6:06:56 PM
combatwombat says:
uhhhh mr moral majority , while you think your actions might be justified, think. If by chance you end up in a car wreck "chasing" people around town "making sure " they dont do it again, i hope they throw the book at you.
Just think if someone gets you in a back lane, and gets out to confront you? what then?
if your really unlucky someone is going to get
out and make you day a bad one.
think idiot think!!
2/1/2012 9:22:50 PM
Dr. Double Double says:
You hope they throw the book at me for trying to make this community safer and a better place to live? By chasing johns and perverts right off the streets where they freely and openly pick up? They don't even do it in the back alleys out of sight.

What are you doing to make this community safer, other than making inane comments on the Internet? If you see a black Toyota Corolla speeding down Court Street after another vehicle, that's me. Watch out.
2/2/2012 1:55:15 AM
combatwombat says:
inane LOL wow, my comments although a bit testy,were really out of concern for you, if not others who may fall foul of your speeding corolla!
leave policing to the police!
how do i make the community safe well for starters..i dont speed!!
2/2/2012 10:03:02 PM
jubjub says:
Mr Double Double - you would be better off picking up one of these girls and taking them out for a hot meal and perhaps pass on some advice about healthy living and social services that may be of help. If it was even possible to stop prostitution it would be by diverting girls from getting into the profession or helping them get out of the profession. The Johns are not going to change. Even if you could scare them off the streets, they can easily hook up deals using websites which can be even more dangerous.

What is horrible is the fact that there are many under-age girls on the streets. There is no debate that this needs an urgent police and social service response and not more reports and committees.

2/3/2012 3:28:22 PM
Vader says:
I'm surprised he doesn't try and unionize them.
2/1/2012 6:33:31 PM
jimmyboy says:
@ Canuckman55....Our society would be better served if the police directed their efforts away from the activities of consenting adults and toward preventing and solving real crimes involving clear victims and injustices.

The court's have not been called upon to decide whether or not there is a constitutional right to sell sex or to decide which policy model regarding prostitution is better,rather, it is the court’s task to decide the merits of the particular legal challenge's, which is whether certain provisions of the Criminal Code are in violation of the Charter of Rights.
2/1/2012 6:34:55 PM
She says:
Sounds like it's the men that have a problem....approching girls as they get off the bus. What bus, the school bus?
2/1/2012 6:36:37 PM
The Beaver..... says:
moment please..that were boys become men..its been that way since biblical times.It will never change.
2/1/2012 7:02:57 PM
homelessteen says:
The primary data I gathered when working on a report suggests abuse and neglect are the common denominator. Every respondent sighted interference as a minor at home or as a result of not having a home life worth returning to. The hard drugs were a secondary coping method. One young lady expressed interference at home which led to her choosing to date a crack dealer at 15 now she is 21 and does about $600 worth of oxys a day.
2/1/2012 7:05:08 PM
Sui Generis says:
What a waste of time. Prostitution has always been and will always be. Yes, you can catch them, arrest them, and even humiliate them if you so choose. And they will simply find a new place to stand.

I wish the Canadian government would be smart enough to just legalize it already, for the safety of the workers AND their customers. Legalization means frequent health checks, paid taxes and regulation. Everyone benefits.
2/1/2012 7:10:46 PM
hillbilly says:
As another writer states prostitution has been around since the first erection one one level or another. Before people start spouting off in the typical fashion of this website you need to realize that within the criminal code of Canada there are ONLY three charges which apply. Mr Double Double what are you thinking you have probably caused more risk to these women than you self righteous mind can comprehend. By your behavior of "I'll chase them around town in my vehicle to stop them from ever doing it again. I think I've done more to stop prostitution than our cops have"
You have most likely been responsible for putting these womens life at risk or at least led to several being beaten up by the johns thinking you are going to rob them. Do I have to remind you Robert Picktons are alive and well.
2/1/2012 9:07:03 PM
Me n My Opinion says:
Legalize and regulate it. Then collect business and personal income taxes on it. Keep the girls safe and warm and working by choice. As Trent says above, it will never go away, so we might as well make the best of a bad situation. It's sickening that 14 year old girls are being forced into doing it. I can't imagine how bad their alternative is. These girls are people. What if it was your daughter?

2/1/2012 9:39:51 PM
unknowncronic says:
The Eye on the Street cameras only work when the peeps watching on the other end do something about it, not just watch it unfold...




2/1/2012 10:45:13 PM
Joey Joe Joe Jr. Shabadoo says:
Prostitution problem?

Are there too many of them or not enough of them??

Whats the problem??

Nobody will ever get rid of certain things in life, especially weed & or prostitution, so everyone should just get used to these facts of life... Now finding a weed smoking prostitute...just kidding...u get the point
2/1/2012 10:50:11 PM
CityHawke says:
The city should use the same resolve the hospital is considering to answer their smoking issue. Place "butt stops" within 9 meters of every girl shaking her booty (smiles).
2/2/2012 8:28:39 AM
thunderbaycouncel says:
PROVEN FACT: 90% of all prostitutes in Thunder Bay have Hep C. You die eventually no matter what from Hep C. I know my facts, hopefully everyone else does too. More than 5% of Thunder Bay has Hep C. Isnt that unreal!!!!
2/2/2012 8:41:48 AM
nucksfan89 says:
What's the point there? Hep C is not considered a sexually transmitted disease, it is transmitted from blood-to-blood contact (exchanging needles, blood transfusions, etc). It is very rare to contract it sexually. It is a sad statistic but I don't see how it is connected to this particular discussion?
2/2/2012 12:28:57 PM
homelessteen says:
Kids play with things they find on the ground. This pic was taken this morning at 9 am about 100 feet from Minnesota Park. I see how it relates.
Tbnewswatch.com

2/2/2012 1:11:15 PM
hillbilly says:
Proven fact show me where this data is and what scientific peer reveiw was done? If you are going to use terms like "PROVEN FACT: 90% of all prostitutes in Thunder Bay have Hep C". Where is this study ?
2/3/2012 10:46:22 AM
yqt says:
I agree, time for a local website that posts licence plates.
I feel for the girls that work the corners, but I highly doubt Walmart has ever turned away a good looking girl seeking employment (the few times they've had the chance).
2/2/2012 8:50:58 AM
abby says:
Really everyone??? it should be legalized??? come on! Its disgusting to say the least. Whats going to happen on bring your kids to work day??? And by legalizing it, your basically telling the younger generation its ok to sell your body for $$ instead of working at McDonalds. Would you like HIV with that?
2/2/2012 8:59:12 AM
Me n My Opinion says:
But that's the whole point Abby. It will continue to happen no matter what, and as Dr Double Double says above, it's done right out in the open now. Kids aren't stupid. They figure out what's going on. Legalizing and regulating it at least keeps people safer. It's still up to parents to try to steer their kids away from it as a career choice, but at least this way many girls who are forced into it may be able to apply for one of those McDonald's jobs instead of having some loser forcibly ruin their life. Right now the message is it's okay to beat a young girl until she does what she's told. I'm not sure that's the better message than what you're suggesting.

On a positive note, your "bring your kids to work day" comment was hilarious.
2/2/2012 10:43:50 AM
Glyder says:
**city admin to council - - - see, look, put in the prostitution article, and now no one is talking about the debt/taxes! Told ya it would work...keep it up!***
2/2/2012 9:44:58 AM
XMAN says:
I think as a parent I would be more concerned about my daughter and her friends being approached by "several" men while walking mid afternoon. Maybe parents should be concerned about what these young ladies were wearing.
2/2/2012 10:05:59 AM
SadButTrue says:
There should be a committee formed and a consultant hired to address this issue.
2/2/2012 10:55:54 AM
Delbert Grady says:
McKellar gets the politics they voted for.

Do they really think that having Pugh, the former election hopeful of the Communist Party of Canada is actually going to do something?

His tactics are to make government give more money for prostitutes so they wont be forced to work like that, but he fails to understand that many of these women take on teh job because the job is somewhat easy, the pay is phoenominal, and the hours arent bad.

how does anyone expect Pugh to understand prostitution?

Its the perfect example of free market capitalism. Supply meets demand. Demand rises to meet supply.

As a former communist (can you ever be a "former communist" and as a former union leader (closely related) Pugh has no hope on ever understanding a situation like this.

Theres no way it should be legalized, because thats just a backdoor way of legitimizing it.

Its not a position one should strive to be hired for. People should have more self-respect, but our morals are decaying.
2/2/2012 11:00:11 AM
peas08 says:
This is disgusting.Legalizing it? Just because it does happen and it has happened for years doesn't mean its right. You can say that about many things, murder, theft, adultery... It sounds like some of you are all about the cash grab. Seriously do you honestly think these folks are going to pay tax on their money they earn. What about the women selling their bodies for drug money, there children being put in protective custody etc. You are just enabling them. Not to mention abortions, unwanted pregnancies and disease. How about more focus on the root issues, mental health, addiction, abuse, lack of education etc By being an enabler you are part of the problem. If this was your sister or mother would you really approve? I shutter to think some of you have children.
2/2/2012 11:16:10 AM
unknowncronic says:
@peas08: You assume the women are selling thier bodies for drugs, when in reality, they r probably paying for thier mortgage & feeding thier families before anything else...
As for "the root issues" like, mental health, addiction, abuse, lack of education, that weighs heavily on the parents more than ANYTHING else.
2/2/2012 12:08:48 PM
gremlin says:
PS: Just as a side-note, why would anyone want to legalize any "career" that leads to "shame, disgust, self-loathing"?
2/2/2012 12:43:18 PM
crazyforweed says:
Thanks councillor for making this make new's worthy , i work downtown in the vickville area ,and i watch it all day long , and when i do work evenings then to , these men drive around ALL DAY ALL NIGHT looking for some company what bother's me is when me and my staff are outside or running to the bank that these guys slow down and look at us like .. were "working" thats bothering.. and what bothers me more.. is my co worker called the police just the other day to report a man picking up prostitutes and they said their is nothing they can do about it , like seriously?? its gross to see a 60 yr old man pick up a girl who might be 16.. might i understand this is something that will never stop but like really ?? just let them get away with it.. but you know bust me cause i might be burning something illegal.. give me a break
2/2/2012 12:45:16 PM
moses says:
Legalize it, get it off the street and make it safer for everyone involved. If sexual activity was a service that could be legally purchased by any adult, perhaps there would be less rape and sexual misconduct in society.

There's way too much easy money in this industry for it to ever go away.
2/2/2012 1:13:32 PM
papercut says:
Legalize both prostitution and soft drugs.

This allows you to take the crime element out, and provide some vital control ie/ health checks (reduction of STD), you can control the quality of the drugs, and you get the benefit of taxing these activities as well as perhaps monitoring and offering programs to help people who are addicted; and help those who want to get out of the prostitution field.

Currently it goes on every hour of each day...it is just thrown to the back alley and ignored by most of us. It is not regulated or taxed, and it is driven by organized criminals.
2/2/2012 1:14:10 PM
happy gardener says:
A ward meeting in October and he just brings it up now....go figure
2/2/2012 1:41:29 PM
gremlin says:
Abby, Delbert Grady, peas08:

Thanks for the common-sense. Mr Pugh, you are a typical "communist". Its not their fault, its their "socio-economic conditions" which is a suttle way of "blaming the government". The fact is many "choose" this "career" because it takes "little effort". Yes its true, some come from less then ideal home environments, but many make the "choice" to leave home because they don't want to live with-in normal boundrys of a family & society. Due to the fact we have such a "generous social system" in Canada "we've made it easy" for young people to strike out on their own only to find out even with all the "help" of "government agencies & programs" its still not enough to be on their own. The sad reality is some people just make "bad choices" & no amount of "government help" can change that.

Mr Pugh, its called "being responsible". Yes, I know this is difficult for you to comprehend but please make an effort.
2/2/2012 2:03:37 PM
Dr. Double Double says:
I encourage you all to take photos of license plates of vehicles you've seen picking up. Another favourite place to pick up is dark Machar Street behind the Polish Alliance on Court Street and on Bay Street in front of Rainbow on Bay.

Post that up. I don't want this criminal element in my town.
2/2/2012 2:20:15 PM
hillbilly says:
God the people of this city are dense. Prostitution is NOT ILLEGAL in fact in Ontario there is case before the courts as Ranma states above that has struck down the three offenses connected to the act of prostitution. PLEASE read this and get facts before you start spouting off opinions on what you have not even researched. The people that come on here are not only misinformed they are unable to comprehend the simple facts that PROSTITUTION IS NOT ILLEGAL
2/2/2012 3:04:18 PM
crazyforweed says:
It may not be illegal ,but you have NO CLUE what's it like to live in the area and witness it and have to put up with it everyday , sure you may sit there and represent your "local prostitutes" but i shouldn't have to OR ANYONE ELSE in a residential area like mackenzie , bethune cameron how about from say.. Arthur n May st to northern ave and part of east end have to put up with that in they're neighbourhood its disgusting to have to see it everyday and you know what there's enough useless buildings in this town why not just turn one into a legal brothel so people like you can get your non-illegal companionship =) you are a winner!!
2/2/2012 8:11:56 PM
hillbilly says:
Crazyforweed I lived in and around Simpson core for my entire life only leaving a short while ago SO DO NOT LECTURE OR TREAT ME LIKE I DO NOT KNOW!!!!!!!I lived my entire life there so I DO KNOW the problem is vigilantism does not solve anything and if you were to think back this was not an issue until the police tried pushing them off Simpson with bogus charges like "trespass at night" etc. That is when the sex trade migrated to the residential area. Or wait you may not remember did you even live in the area or do you now. You my friend may just be the winner!
2/4/2012 3:43:16 PM
favpal says:
I live in the East end and i have a neighbour that every day bring various hookers into his home now my children 13, 9, 6 and my two oldest ones notice and recognize faces from mackenzie street on the way home from bowling and hockey. I have called and asked the police if you know solicitation is taking place can anything be done about it. there answer was its not illegal unless you see them exchange money....ok im sorry i guess they are just giving it away for free of course they are being paid or they wouldnt be out there in the first place. On another note them being forced by way of poverty or addictions those girls are making choices to live that lifestyle. No one is holding a gun to their head saying "DO IT" literally. My best friend is a reformed working girl and was in it for supporting her habbit and yet she got out they can too!!!!
2/2/2012 3:53:48 PM
gremlin says:
Some people just make bad CHOICES. Yes, its that simple. "Government help & programs" makes it easy to make bad choices.
2/2/2012 4:18:24 PM
hillbilly says:
This will be my last comment on this issue several writers have brought communist politics and other peripheral issues into what started out as a story on helping solve a problem. All of the talk of increasing the pressure on sex trade in the two downtown corridors is going to do nothing but end up with sex trade moving further into residential areas. It also increases the risk for the women involved to be targeted by serial predators (Thunder Bay has at least one behind bars classified as a dangerous offender) Thunder Bay is not immune to predators in fact all of you people who are so quick to put down and isolate a group of women can and should be held responsible when the next one if found dead in a snow dump or beside the flood-way. I for one will and do put the responsibility on the heartless and unsympathetic attitudes of some people on this board. I wish that all of you heartless people have no bad luck or decisions haunt you the way these women have their decisions haunt them
2/2/2012 5:27:58 PM
homelessteen says:
The lady your are refering to in your description was a very good friend of mine . She made a point of ensuring I was fed when she saw me on the streets. It is because of her I feel such a connection to this issue. She would have done anything to keep young women from walking in her shoes.
Legalizing it will not stop it from happening in the streets. Bootleggers still sell beer after hours and some women will not meet the regulations and still be on the streets. The women out there are the gaps in our system personified. I know there will always be a demand for their services, however; women are not a comodtity. Do the wives of these men know where the husbands are? You think the preditors are going to suddenly diasappear because its legalized? When school aged girls are not safe to walk the streets without being propositioned it is time to act not debate.
2/2/2012 8:45:24 PM
spooner19 says:
Wow, here we go a few Thunder Bay residents who post on TBsource are going to solve a problem that's been going on for hundreds of years. What are you going to solve by sitting there and writing down plate numbers? Can you prove anything illegal took place? Do you think the police are going to go and investigate? Really arresting them and forcing them to go into another area is all that is going to happen. And honestly you can make things worse for these girls forcing them into bad areas where they can be easily harmed without anyone being there to help. This is not something a few of you that have nothing better to do are going to solve. The only thing you can do about this problem is try to educate them how to stay safe, not contract diseases, arresting them, or forcing them to move from one part of the city to another is solving nothing.
2/2/2012 8:05:05 PM
gremlin says:
hillbilly:

I just had to respond to your comments. I for one will NOT take responsibility for anyone that ends up harmed or worse due to "their stupid choices". Bad decisions have consequences, & that's the way it should be. I hope I was clear.
2/2/2012 9:41:34 PM
favpal says:
Having their decisions haunt them and having them control their lives and be used as excuses are two seperate things, not all of us commenting are smooth sailing through lives i myself have been very unfortunate in my life thus far, however i do not let that dictate any addiction or poverty lifestyle that i could be so easily pulled into. Its a choice and one day I hope they can get clean and be productive in their own lives. I feel for their children stuck in foster care jopefully most of them have been lucky enough to be with grandparents, or other relatives.
2/3/2012 9:41:19 AM
userfriendly says:
Me and my opinion, would you find it hilarious if your mother was a prostitute, or if your daughter, and mother of your grandchild was? As a social worker, dealing first hand with that situation is far from " hilarious.".

Would you recruit your daughter as one, or encourage your son to pay for these services. Just because it's been around forever doesn't make it right illegal or not. It's unhealthy, degrading to women and hurts families. Are all the supporters of this frequent users??
2/3/2012 10:29:41 AM
Me n My Opinion says:
I think if you read my posts you'll see that there aren't many people who are as passionate about keeping these people safe and allowing them a fair shot at a fair life as I am. This particular topic is one that I am quite passionalte about. These girls are probably the most marginalized group of people in our society. I know a couple of them, and deep down they're good people (not saying they all are, but the ones I know are).

However, I also appreciate a good, funny line. It's at nobody's expense, but the term politically correct has gone so far overboard, a person's not allowed to laugh at anything any more. Because I laugh doesn't mean I don't care. It means I still have a sense of humour. The remark I found funny was not hurtful in any way. Hurtful comments I don't like. More clever humour, I do. I also found Vader's comment above equally as funny. But this topic still remains one that one day I hope I can help fix.
2/3/2012 2:04:24 PM
Sui Generis says:
Know what's degrading to women? People who assume they aren't smart enough to govern their own lives, and make it their mission to save them from themselves.

If a person chooses that particular choice, that's their business, and because it was their choice, they are not being degraded.

I would want my daughter to be a lot of things. I don't want her driving a garbage truck, or working heavy machinery, or being a stunt double either. Wanting my children to strive for something more ambitious is not reason enough to criminalize those career choices.

The point to this debate is a simple one. Prostitution will never go away. Never. If we can't get rid of it (and we can't) then we need to take whatever precautions are available to ensure public safety. This means legalization and regulation. This way, we make sure the people working are healthy and not spreading disease. This means the workers pay taxes to their community. This means no more dead prostitutes behind the east end legion.
2/5/2012 1:57:46 AM
N8tiveCityDweller says:
Why not start a neighbourhood watch group that takes down license plate numbers if they make 5 passes. Check MOT records of that licence and if they live in the neighbourhood, then they have reason to be there, were as if one is found to live outside of it then mail them the photo of there plate and telling them that they were seen crusing hookers, or picking up hookers. And then see what there respone would be from there wife or famley. Just a thought as I have seen it work in the states, why not here ?
2/3/2012 12:03:51 PM
octane says:
Hey Dr Double Double
Where are you going to be watching tonight??
Are you in the north side or the south???
2/3/2012 12:04:31 PM
Joey Joe Joe Jr. Shabadoo says:
Obviously with a kids park there, Minnesota Park should be on full alert if needles are found around there so often!


2/3/2012 12:06:18 PM
hillbilly says:
Injection drug use is a problem everywhere and Thunder bay cannot say that sex trade are the only people using needles. If it is such a problem with discarded injection supplies hold the Thunder Bay District Health Unit and Superior Points Program responsible. Just a few years ago they were always out looking and responding to calls regarding this problem and they actively worked in the areas that were a problem. The question I pose is where are they now it seems they are now part of the problem not part of the solution. Did Superior Points just get swallowed up by the health unit and the bloated bureaucracy?. If that is so please let them go back to a community based program because a few years ago they were on top of things. I would know due to the fact that I came from there as well "homeless teen"
2/4/2012 3:34:18 PM
octane says:
A website with license plate pictures??
Are you kidding??
There is a lawsuit if I ever had seen one
Give it up, your not batman
The police need to deal with this problem
Not local vigilanties
2/3/2012 12:07:14 PM
homelessteen says:
Because it would be so difficult to use and Ipod in a hotspot to do it and remain anonymous.
2/3/2012 9:03:01 PM
shake'n'myhead says:
Prostitution itself is not illegal, but soliciting - communicating for the purpose trading sex for money - is a criminal code offence.
2/3/2012 4:34:20 PM
Delbert Grady says:
Legalizing it wont make it go away.

You people that think introducing more bureaucracy into this will work? Whats wrong with you? You think the hookers will want to turn over 30% taxes to the government?

Its morally wrong to begin with and legalizing it just sets others up for continued failures.

This is a perfect example of how the people within the country will do what they want to, regardless of laws, red tape, and taxes.

Criminals will never register guns, prostitutes will never pay taxes, and cab drivers will always know where to get a case of beer after hours.

Introducing magical government into the situation will do nothing but waste money and create more bureaucracy to suck up our tax dollars. We dont need any of this.
2/3/2012 4:36:08 PM
wayne says:
I wonder if the police services online 'satisfaction survey' will reveal anything on this matter? isn't a report on that flawed, glitchy survey supposed to be released this month?
2/3/2012 7:18:00 PM
spooner19 says:
Maybe some people just like driving around a certain neighbourhood wasting time? Is that any different than some nut who is driving around wasting time recording license plate numbers. Start posting plate numbers on a web site and accusing people of something you have no proof of and no charges were laid against the person. I hope you have a good lawyer to get you off all the lawsuits that are going to be filed against you. Posting information about people on the internet and making accusations about them is illegal use your head!
2/3/2012 7:58:56 PM
spooner19 says:
Dr. Double Double says:
I encourage you all to take photos of license plates of vehicles you've seen picking up. Another favourite place to pick up is dark Machar Street behind the Polish Alliance on Court Street and on Bay Street in front of Rainbow on Bay.

Post that up. I don't want this criminal element in my town.

You really seem to know where all the hookers hang out in town? Maybe there is a little more to Dr. Double Double.
2/4/2012 11:44:52 AM
Dan Dan says:
Definitely... website with photos.
2/5/2012 5:28:09 PM
stuck? says:
Maybe it's just me but I don't think stalking people in your car at night (or day) trying to make a difference like Batman or the guys in Kick A$$ is going to solve anything.

You just look crazy even if you're trying to "help" the police or your community. If I saw you following me I just might have to pull over and wait for you or call the police myself. Why is this crazy nut following me? I'm lost and I'm trying to find my way to grandmothers house and this guy keeps flashing his high beams at me using words that are too vulgar to repeat.

Thanks for the help. I get you want to help the community but putting everybody in danger isn't the right way of doing it mr. black toyota corrola.

By the way, what's your license plate number? We can put that on our new website of the crazy thunder bay drivers without any consideration of others. I bet we can get quite a list of those too.
2/6/2012 5:53:14 PM
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