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2012-02-03 at 15:07

NAN energy conference concludes Far North should be linked to power grid

By Jodi Lundmark, tbnewswatch.com
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Nishnawbe Aski Nation chiefs want their communities connected to Ontario’s power grid by 2018.

That objective was the result of a three-day energy conference held in Thunder Bay this week. Officials with NAN invited all levels of government and members of industry, the private sector, economic development corporations and area chambers of commerce to the conference to see what the political territory’s vision looks like.

Their long-term goal is to see the power grid extended to put all 49 NAN communities on the power grid and allow them to move away from their reliance on diesel fuel.

“Diesel is very costly; the fuel goes up every year,” said Grand Chief Stan Beardy.

“But also the operations and maintenance of those power plants is very costly and it’s not necessarily environmentally friendly.”

“If you have a spill it causes a lot of damage right in the community and your source of drinking water,” he added.

With about 26 First Nations dependent on winter ice roads to transport in fuel and other goods, getting the communities on the power grid will save on transportation costs.

With increasing mild winters, the winter road season doesn’t always last long enough to transport enough fuel into the communities and they have to resort to flying in the fuel, which can triple in cost.

NAN chiefs have determined they need a strategy in place to ensure there is committed funding to supply diesel fuel to the communities.

“I think the chiefs need a letter of comfort from the government that if they take that to their supplier, there is assurance that resources will be there to offset the cost of hauling that fuel whether by land or in many cases when they’re forced to use air travel,” Beardy said.

Independent Power Authorities deliver about eight million litres of diesel fuel every year at an annual estimated cost of $9 million.

Many NAN First Nations have already developed plans and negotiated with private sector industries and the government on connecting to the power grid and Beardy said the long-term objective is look at power generation, transmission and distribution being owned and operated by NAN regional utilities.

“Ideally, what the chiefs are saying is that they want to be developers of energy so that it becomes part of our economic base,” said Beardy.

Beardy said the next step is to put together a framework with their objectives and the necessary steps to achieving their energy goals, which means negotiating with governments and the private sector so their plan will become a reality by 2018.

Minister of Natural Resources Michael Gravelle spoke at the conference and said the province’s goals are similar to NAN’s.

“We would like to see as many First Nation communities in the NAN territory that are presently on diesel taken off,” said Gravelle.

“We have, as part of our long-term energy plan, a number of priority projects in place.”

There are many renewable energy opportunities in Northern Ontario, which Gravelle said are a priority for the province. Many of those projects are being worked on with First Nations, he added.

As for NAN’s six-year goal for connecting their communities to the grid, Gravelle said it is realistic to think a number of First Nations will be taken off diesel fuel dependency by then, but wouldn’t commit specifically to NAN’s timeline.

“With the projects we have in place, with the priorities being put on it by Nishnawbe Aski Nation themselves, I think we’re going to make some real progress,” he said.

 

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ring of fire dude says:
And who is going to pay for the powerline to the reserves ? And who is going to pay for the power usage on the reserves ? And NAN wants to generate , run the transmission lines and become a middle man much like Direct Energy . I'm sure Cliffs , NorOnt and other resourse companies will back away from this like the plague as the Chiefs will be able to pull the plug on them anytime for whatever reason they can dream up .
2/3/2012 3:40:20 PM
Steven says:
Frankly there are better things to use the billions of $$ that would be required to connect these communities to the grid on.

If they want to connect to the grid, might I suggest that we move these reserves onto existing roads and areas with power. Suddenly the billions we are already spending on them will go 5X as far.
Suddenly your milk is no longer $8 per litre, and its just a car ride, rather than a $2500 plane ride, to get in or out of the community.

If I were a native person on one of these reserves, I would be demanding my leaders negotiate a way out for their people. What use is it to stay up in the middle of nowhere? I understand the 'connection to the land' issue, but might I suggest that this type of connection could be found in a less remote area? Historically, many tribes were fairly nomadic, and I would think we could help reserves relocate to new areas that will help funding go much farther. Just my 2 cents. These people need a fresh start.
2/3/2012 4:19:26 PM
Nitesky says:
Connected by 2018? I always view these kinds of statements as "empty promises". Many of those that sat at the table today won't be around by then and the government will have changed at least a half dozen times by then
2/3/2012 6:59:23 PM
gremlin says:
Here we go again. Same old same old. Its time for reality folks. The reserve system was put into place @ a time in our history that we couldn't fore-see how it would be applied in a modern Canada. Its not feasibly possible to provide every service or product (electricity, education, health care, etc.) to all remote reserves due to our vast geography & small populations on the reserves. This is just basic commonsence. To expect tax-payers to pay for this craziness is criminal.

Face it, the reserve system is an out-dated concept & its time for natives to be assimalated into main-stream Canada. If they want to hold on to their customs they need to work @ it like other cultures do. With government sponsered multi-cultural programs available & some initative they should be able to do that.
2/3/2012 7:28:10 PM
Fluffy says:
So I've got until 2018 to get out of this province before 3/4 of my income is taken by the government to pay the billions of dollars that this one will cost. Thanks for the heads up!
2/3/2012 8:50:57 PM
yer joking says:
A complete revision of the Governing Act Urban Reserves are the answer. Desolate communities solve nothing. Self sufficient Urban Reserves will be fought against at first but the small towns that are losing their main supporting industry would be the ideal locations. Government buys the whole town. everybody wins Landowners get a fair price, Natives get a good deal. They also get ownership of the property. It won't happen overnight but after the first couple of success stories they will all be clamoring to get on board.
2/3/2012 8:51:45 PM
anvil of crom says:
terrace bay, red rock, to name a few.
2/6/2012 11:23:56 PM
Random says:
Why is it you can always post on things concerning Native Canadians, but usually never on anything crime/police unless its about the budget? Seriously, there is a story about the police constable in court on falsifying the SOR, which should concern EVERYONE, and you can't post to it. Why admin? I know you sit and watch the comments come in on all the stories involving everything aboriginal, and post it, but never anything crime related, or about police unless its the budget? It really makes no sense, and i'd love for you to post here and explain WHY we can't comment on the SOR story? There has to be a legitimate reason.
Please indulge us.
As for setting up a power grid to the northern communities, if they are put up there on reserves, I think they are entitled to power like everyone else. Seriously...southern Ontario thinks we are hicks, what if they wanted us taken off the grid? Betcha this won't make the post.
2/3/2012 11:24:41 PM
Leith Dunick says:
Random: We lock crime stories like this because the accused is still in court, or in most cases, have yet to appear before court. The few times we've left comments open accidentally, the vast majority of comments submitted tend to automatically assume guilt, which could lead to a mistrial or get us sued for libel. You are free to go to Twitter and Facebook and have your say there on the case in question, but we can't allow it here. Once there is a decision, and no chance of appeal, we may open comments at that time.
2/4/2012 12:00:52 PM
animiki says:
Six years to build the infrastructure to connect places as far away as Fort Severn and Winisk to the grid? Cool. Where are those billions of dollars coming from?

The First Nations would be much better off with renewables to supplement some sort of simple baseline generation. I'm thinking wind, solar and run-of-the-river hydro. These are small communities with limited power needs. While those technologies are expensive and of limited use in heavily urbanized areas, for a small, remote community with what amounts to only residential demands, they'd be ideal. All it takes is MNR and related agencies to get off their bureaucratic butts and implement a quick, easy and inexpensive review and approval process, rather than going through all sorts of complex tendering and getting submissions and doing evaluations and assessments and then getting more detailed submissions and doing more evaluations...etc.

Keeps the bureaucrats busy, though.
2/3/2012 11:42:39 PM
wayne says:
I thought one of NAN's expert consultants cited using sustainable renewable energy sources such as wind, solar and hydro-electric dams? Connecting to electricity grids would be too costly to tax payers given the population density in these northern communities.
2/4/2012 12:12:35 AM
wayne says:
So let me get this straight....Beardy is fighting for getting his remote communities/reserves hooked up to the power grid, have year-round roads built, have more tax payer dollars to those reserves without any third-party management, preserve their way of life (without technology), and prevent ring-of-fire development because it intrudes on their way of life and encroaches on their traditional lands. Makes total sense to me!
2/4/2012 12:32:55 AM
TBDR says:
Are you guys kidding me? Who's going to pay for the power lines? Who pays for the diesel year after year? Who pays for the new generators? Who pays for the oil? In the longer term, it is probably way more cost effective to connect these communities to the grid.

I wish people would get educated about this issue. The treaties forced them up there... now we want to keep them under our boot.
2/4/2012 12:39:39 AM
panzerIV says:
Ontario has a long term energy plan that runs till 2020. There are 2 new transmission lines in the process of being constructed in the North. One is a east-west tie that will allow for Northern energy to be sent south and to increase the reliability of the energy network and another is for the area around pickle lake. The pickle lake extension, I believe it to provide power to a mine in the area but it also says to expand power to aboriginal communities.

The first is expected to be completed sometime between 2016-2017 and the other is unknown due to consultation.

Total cost for the transmission is around 12 billion guaranteed (over and above) and then 3 billion for 5 years (over an above).

So without a lot of money from aboriginal communities I wouldn't expect another large increase in spending on transmission or power.
2/4/2012 2:05:34 AM
shake'n'myhead says:
Build windmill and solar farms at those locations. 1 or 2 windmills at each reserve should provide all the power needed.
A solar farm would create employment for someone as the panels need to be cleaned and adjusted occasionally.
2/4/2012 8:16:05 AM
tbayfinn says:
There needs to be a grassroots campaign in this country to begin to move the people in these remote communities closer to basic services such as all weather roads, grid connected electricity, water, sewer, healthcare, etc. I totally agree that the reserve system was never intended to provide these types of services to far flung, fly-in only, reserve communities. The tax payer burden to support these communities is, as has been noted, criminal. It's time to publish the total costs in mainstream media so everyone is aware of them. The current media attention of the grave situation of many of these communities should not result in raising their standard of living where they are, it should result in relocating them to where a suitable standard of living can be reasonably achieved.
2/4/2012 9:30:07 AM
woodzee says:
Well if Stan wants power up in Muskrat Dam then they must start cutting lines and fabricating poles etc. across their land to the nearest power supply. How difficult can it be?
2/4/2012 11:26:07 AM
homelessteen says:
First Nations people are not cattle to be hearded from one location to another. Man am I ever getting tired of the same old argument "my tax dollars this", "my tax dollars that" I bet the people in Toronto feel the same way about all their tax dollars that come up here. I would think the argument from Southern Ontario would be why do those hillbilly rednecks just move up here already instead of us having to pay for them to live so far from us.
2/4/2012 8:31:04 PM
nvjgu says:
Ya and who's going to pay the bill. Or was that included in the treaty.
2/4/2012 8:53:08 PM
trepat says:
the goal of forced integration is quite interesting. How do you "force" people to leave their homes regardless of where they are located. I think a more realistic discussion needs to take place between the Federal Gov't, the gov't that is responsible for native issues and native leaders with a basic concept agreed to at the beginning.

'Natives on most remote reserves will never be true economic partners due to distance and lack of population'.

Then we can agree that as long as the community continues to try and maintain their reserve, tremendous challenges will exist.

Then we can agree that the Federal Gov't will support the reintegration of any individual from a reserve to the city with education, housing etc to help better prepare for employment. Less money flowing to reserves = more money for local support.

Will the Chief's knowingly agree to have their budgets reduced, their influence reduced and ultimately help their people instead of being in the way. Doubtful.
2/5/2012 10:17:20 AM
Delbert Grady says:
Which treaty is this demand in?
2/5/2012 12:04:38 PM
animiki says:
Treaty 9 and a small chunk of Treaty 5...NAN i.e. Nishnawbe Aski Nation
2/5/2012 1:05:46 PM
Delbert Grady says:
Funny, I cant find anything in there covering electricity supply.

I did see some other interesting issues that dont seem like they're being honoured though.
2/6/2012 3:00:56 PM
tsb says:
"Native people should become self sufficient!" -White People

"We want a reliable supply of electricity so that we can become self sufficient." -Native People

"Those demands are unreasonable!!!!" -White People

It is like ordering people to drive after taking away their car.
2/6/2012 8:02:39 PM
animiki says:
I don't see anyone on here claiming the demand for reliable electricity is unreasonable. What is unreasonable is this particular approach i.e. getting these remote communities connected to the provincial grid. There are other approaches based on renewables and other types of generation that ARE far more reasonable for small, isolated, primarily residential demands.
2/7/2012 1:03:22 AM
combatwombat says:
Stan/ NAN are out to lunch, sorry its a fact..

The whole issue is such a non starter, look at a map. Extending the grid hundreds of miles over swamp and muskeg to these remote reserves, is financially impossible.

Proof, The province studied a plan to upgrade our link to southern ontario from wawa to sudbury,result; too expensive just for an upgrade!

Fact, if NAN wants energy they have to move to where it is. They ( ahem..we) cannot build it they cannot maintain it.
Fact, thousands of NAN peoples now live in thunder bay or other communities across NWO, why is that.
Why, because its there, "it" being infrastructure,services, healthcare cheaper groceries entertainmnet housing need i go on?

No brainer? NAN just needs to realize that.
9 million in diesel is peanuts as is wind/solar, which is not an option for on demand power, and maintenance could not be done by NAN.
ANYONE who has done their homework can come to these conclusions.
It will never happen.
2/7/2012 9:08:41 AM
hadenough says:
Well, sorry to disagree but there are several remote MTO airports that are running on "on demand" power produced from both solar and wind. That's runway lights and buildings.

If it works for the MTO at crucial areas like airports, why would it not work for far north communities? Leave the diesel power units in place for back up power if need be.
2/7/2012 4:11:12 PM
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