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2012-02-10 at 15:33

Hotel, Harvey's coming

By Leith Dunick, tbnewswatch.com
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Visitors to Thunder Bay could have a new place to sleep as soon as next Christmas.

Steve Gupta, CEO of the Easton’s Group of Hotels, on Friday confirmed he plans to build a 142-unit Town Place Suite Hotel on property adjacent to the Superstore parking lot.

The development will also include two restaurants being built by Mississauga’s Thompson Centres Inc. Gupta said one will a Harvey’s Restaurant and the other will likely carry either the Earl’s or the Milestone franchise tag. A retail component is also expected to be part of the multi-million development.

“All the suites are equipped with kitchens,” Gupta said, reached by phone. “This brand is called an all-suite brand with an extended stay kitchen with a full fridge, dishwasher, a ceramic cook-top and a convection microwave oven.”

The award-winning Gupta added the rooms are aimed at housing guests who come to town for two and three months at a time.

“We built a hotel a year ago in Sudbury, the same one, and this will be the second Mariott of this brand,” Gupta said.
“There are about 70 Mariott hotels in Canada, but the Town Place suites, I was the first one to build it.”

The development is also expected to contain a retail component, but first must get the approval of city council.

Developers are expected to appear before council on Feb. 27 seeking bylaw amendments to allow the project to go ahead.
It’s not the first time the Mariott brand has been proposed for the Intercity area. In the mid-2000s developers proposed to build a hotel there, but plans were ultimately scrapped for a variety of reasons.

City planner Robert Eady said the amendments are required under the city's official plan.

"They're varying such things as height, parking and some of the setbacks on the yards," Eady said.

The land is presently owned by Loblaws, which owns and operates the Superstore.

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WRIGGLESWORTH says:
if you recall, this was supposed to happen a few years ago...and if you recall, Mariott felt like the city of Thunder Bay was unwelcoming, dishonest, and unappreciative of their investment.
2/10/2012 3:39:46 PM
tsb says:
It wasn't Marriott that had that opinion, it was Darko Vranich from Hamilton, who bought a property across the street from this and got upset after the city refused to remediate it for him. The city "learned its lesson" and promptly developed the Prince Arthur's Landing plan, in which the city would pay to remediate a piece of land for a hotel, something they refused to do for Vranich a year earlier.

Cool story, huh?! Superstore has been trying to sell that part of land for about five years now, so it's nice to see something finally come of it.
2/10/2012 6:42:26 PM
Chaos says:
Nice to see private $$ coming to town.
2/10/2012 3:41:55 PM
hadenough says:
Sounds like good news but we've heard it before.
Never mind the fictional hotel at the marina, what about the one that was going up on the airport property along W. Arthur. Or the big hole in the ground that was started for a hotel on the corner of Carrick and Harbour "Expressway"?

Good news if it happens but I won't be calling for reservations at Earls or booking a room at Mariot anytime soon. No negativity intended just a little pessimism.
2/10/2012 3:44:39 PM
TBDR says:
The one at the airport is going to be finished when the ground thaws.
2/10/2012 3:59:44 PM
edhtbon says:
The guy proposing the last Marriott (at Carrick and the Harbour) was a bit of a nutcase and the city didn't handle the situation well, which is why that didn't go. There was a fight over ground contamination, and the site the developer proposed was not worthy of a Marriott either, so it was good that it never happened. The city dvlp. dept. has made changes since then. This time is different, this developer is serious, and he is good at what he does (read about him please before you comment too much).
The hotel by the airport is a Hilton brand, not a Marriott brand hotel and it is starting this spring.
The problem with the waterfront hotel is we as citizens knew it was coming before any developer/hotelier knew they would be there. It takes years of research before an actual building goes up, hence they delay. Things don't happen over night.
2/10/2012 4:50:18 PM
hadenough says:
TBDR, pretty hard to swinish something without starting it first but thanks to you and edhtbon for the update. I always wondered what happened there.

Once again, I"m not being negative, just that we've heard these "good news" stories so many times before, one gets a little sceptical.
I agree that this is great news if it happens, shows that some outside people can see the worth in investing in Thunder Bay regardless of the all the negative attitude


As to the marina hotel I think we all know that nothing will go in there until the City agrees to put the multi plea in the area.
2/10/2012 6:14:07 PM
panzerIV says:
At this point I've heard that the condo's are basically full or full enough for them to proceed. They have a large amount of time and money invested in this that I can see it happening. It's likely that the condo's developers will use the sale of the hotel to finance the condo's but if they are basically sold they could probably go to a bank and ask for the loan to build.

They are being tight lipped about it. Many of the Councillors don't even know.
2/10/2012 10:22:07 PM
patti says:
2/10/2012 4:25:44 PM
yqt says:
About time some hotels are being but up. How embarrassing was it when athletes from the '95 World Nordic Games were housed in Ma and Pop Motor Motels around town. What a joke!!!

Go figure.... this city is 20yrs behind the rest of world with everything!!!
2/10/2012 4:55:39 PM
trevor99 says:
can someone show me the magic that makes private investment appear. "About time they are being put up".

is this some sort of measure of success.

Private business comes because it makes sense to them. They do it to make money.

They don't care about you, me, the city or nothing except that you, me and the city will help them make money.

That is what businesses do.

If it works, they will do it.

Now I hope you have recovered from your "embaressment", but I know how you feel after reading your posting and thinking you actually live in this town.
2/10/2012 6:13:37 PM
someone86 says:
the little ma and pa's sometimes are the best, you get the personal touch. I would much rather stay at them then these huge companies...
2/12/2012 11:53:16 PM
shake'n'myhead says:
I for one think this is a good news story.
Welcome to Thunder Bay Steve.
Becareful of who you talk to in this city as there are one hell of a lot of negative people who don't do anything but complain. I'm sure you will hear how you picked the wrong color or you should have put the parking lot in the other spot.
2/10/2012 4:57:16 PM
TBDR says:
And post of the day goes to...shak'n'myhead!
2/10/2012 6:44:51 PM
tbaylifer says:
Well, I hope they got a consultant in to ensure that there is enough green space, trees, bike lane near by, art work, no wind turbines, no truck fumes or noise and is suited for the area. LOL
2/10/2012 5:04:57 PM
trent says:
Mmmm, I used to love Harvey's when we had the one on Memorial in the early 90's. Looking forward to it.
2/10/2012 5:14:54 PM
yqt says:
About time some hotels are being but up. How embarrassing was it when athletes from the '95 World Nordic Games were housed in Ma and Pop Motor Motels around town. What a joke!!!

Go figure.... this city is 20yrs behind the rest of world with everything!!!
2/10/2012 5:36:12 PM
panzerIV says:
Things like that happen when you fight change right?

Wifi will get ya, get your tin foil hats
2/11/2012 12:36:00 PM
Random says:
So a Hilton coming here, and now a Mariott, and the Mariott will have kitchen suites. Something tells me this is early prep for the impact the mining sector is going to have around here. I really hope Thunder Bay becomes the hub for this sort of industry. This city could really see some positive growth.
2/10/2012 6:30:28 PM
sandstorm says:
Pumped for this! Glad to see New Hotels and Restaurants coming to town!
2/10/2012 6:36:31 PM
wow! says:
Time to open up a HOOTERS!
2/10/2012 6:44:39 PM
TheFloyd says:
All jokes aside, this would probably be the most successful bar in all of TBay.
2/10/2012 10:43:01 PM
Delbert Grady says:
Whats stopping you?

Everyone talks big, but few people step up to the plate. Even fewer can swing the bat.
2/11/2012 10:23:16 AM
tsb says:
People in this city don't understand how franchising works.
2/11/2012 10:36:26 AM
Delbert Grady says:
Thats the problem. Some of us do.

The franchise wouldnt allow their restaurants to be left unopened and non-existant.

Scroll down and read ijamdu's comment. Perhaps you may learn something there "Mr. Bail".
2/11/2012 2:39:03 PM
jimmyboy says:
TBDR what are you talking about....finished when the ground thaws.???
2/10/2012 8:15:56 PM
macdaddy77 says:
The new hotel at the airport is a Hilton Garden Inn, geared for the business travel people. Still a plus for sure.
Great news about the restaurants coming here, that is always a plus.
Not sure about Earl's though, someone owns the rights to Earl's Hooters and Red Lobster here in town but won't let others build one. I would assume Milestones is coming instead.
Harveys is a plus too, great burgers.
I wonder what will come of the old Swiss Chalet on memorial ave?
2/10/2012 8:43:00 PM
ijamdu says:
There are no "rights" in this industry and if someone had rights to Red Lobster why didnt they open one? Quite possibly they would be a rich person by now. When you own a restaurant franchise you have to build and operate the unit as per the agreement. With some agreements, when you become the francihsee, you are required to build more than one unit in the same market. There is a cost involved to become a franchisee and an expectation that you build and develop their brand in that particular marketplace. Anything less and a franchisor will not sell you a franchise. Earls is corporately owned and they would sign an agreement with the developer to open their brand in that location. The parent company for franchising Milestones and Harveys is Cara Foods while Red Lobster is a Darden brand.
2/11/2012 11:06:38 AM
dwgbuck says:
Nobody owns the right to a local Red Lobster, its funny how many people in this town believe the bull they hear. Red Lobster is CORPORATE OWNED they do not sell franchises or rights to private interests, I know because I actually inquired about it.
2/13/2012 1:35:12 AM
wayne says:
This is an excellent and positive news story!
2/10/2012 10:31:18 PM
wayne says:
and what I don't understand is why people complain that the hotelier has not been named yet for the Marina. Is it because that since one has not been named yet, that is a sign no hotel will be developed?
2/10/2012 10:50:34 PM
wayne says:
good idea wow! perhaps Pugh can manage it and offer the prostitutes a better means of making a living. but it may have to be called 'Saggers' He could call himself Pugh Hefner.
2/11/2012 12:22:30 AM
nvjgu says:
Am I missing somethng, I would like to know who all these visitors are. Maybe they are construction people comeing from Toronto an Winnipeg.
2/11/2012 12:44:28 AM
jimmyboy says:
I am somewhat surprised when so many people get so caught up in a fast food chain that once was here and went out of business which is going to create minimum wage part time jobs and a hotel which will basically do the same makes the news.

2/11/2012 7:23:41 AM
TheFloyd says:
The last time Harvey's was here it was managed by a different company. The new Harvey's is fresh, delicious, and something new.

As for the jobs, you're right - they're minimum wage jobs. But for students, both secondary and post-secondary, fast food jobs are perfect, and therefore this is a welcomed addition to Thunder Bay.
2/11/2012 9:59:14 AM
stairwayto7 says:
mmmm, Harveys.
2/11/2012 9:27:44 AM
hubbabubba says:
This is wonderful news for the city. It will create jobs, even if they are minimum wage jobs, they may have benefits, medical and dental which would bring more professionals to town. This city has a future of vision, you have to vision to make it happen, and saying no to everything is not the way. Lets me the next wonderful metropolis, vision....

Also instead of putting walmart up at the old zellers in COunty fair, why not Costco? or sobeys,? perfect spot which would not affect superstore.

I love hearing positive news like this, construction jobs will be created for the construction workers.... etc....
2/11/2012 11:10:22 AM
TBDR says:
Neat idea, but Walmart already bought the Zellers building at County Fair... thats not to say they won't put in a Sam's Club though...
2/13/2012 3:58:18 PM
sc says:
In my opinion Thunder Bay seems to have a lot of regular hotels for accommodation and convention space.

What I think would benefit the city is to have one of the hotels with the big water parks like they have in Southern Ontario and in the States. For the local people who cannot afford to go away in the winter a place like that could me a mini vacation. It would also draw people from the region and elsewhere all while bringing business to the city.
2/11/2012 12:00:02 PM
realist72 says:
as a former resident of T Bay for 21 years, I now spend at least two nights a month in hotels in Thunder Bay

Try getting a decent room in this city...the Valhalla is booked all of the time, and staying at the Vic Inn isn't always a sure thing, why do you think they got rid of Scuttlebutts and are converting that to another banquet/conference room?

There is definitely room for more hotels in T Bay.
2/12/2012 8:49:26 AM
anvil of crom says:
totally wierd!! while the area is absolutely connected to many amenities it is as ugly as all get out, and totally busy with traffic. but i am no hotelier so , on with the show.
2/11/2012 12:14:04 PM
Brenda1963 says:
In reply to both TBDR the airport authority and the proposed hotelier are still in talks to purchase the land, so how you can state that when the ground thaws it will be completed and to hubbabubba are you going to be applying at the new Harvey's?
2/11/2012 2:05:16 PM
today says:
Great to see hotels opening up...but Im not overly "excited" (political word of the year) yet. Look at the complexity of the problems that the hotel at the marina is having to get off the ground/hole, and it's been shovel/dug ready for some time now, with council behind them. If the marina hotelier is having this much difficulty getting (building?) permits with the city building administration, (one could only imagine what hoops that the proposed hoteliers will encounter along their way. We've been told that it's a long and difficult process to build a hotel. I'm not expecting to be calling for a reservation anytime soon.

Yes this is my shot at Council, and Administration, about the Marina. I need to develop more trust & faith in our politicans, and not be so sinister, don't I. Is my age showing?

2/11/2012 2:57:43 PM
papadum says:
As an employee of a hotel in this city I can say that new hotels are a welcome change. Many of the properties here are in dire need of upgrading, and lack amenities that most people rely on when travelling. One of the comments I get from people travelling through here is the lack of updated lodging in this city, as well as any lodging off the highway to they don't have to travel through the city and I absolutely agree. With new hotels being built maybe the other ones will follow suit and renovate. New business are always a welcome sight here.
2/11/2012 4:10:18 PM
macdaddy77 says:
Apparently the deal for that Toronto investment firm to buy County Fair fell through.
So as it stands, just Wal Mart is going in there.
2/11/2012 4:11:46 PM
TBDR says:
until I see a media release, this is just a pointless rumour.
2/13/2012 1:56:55 AM
citizenreporter says:
Thank goodness we're getting a Harvey's, I've missed their food since moving from eastern Ontario.

It's also a great place for students to work, and jobs are jobs right now. Even if they're minimum wage at least they are new jobs created from this project for the city.

This might not last but it could be good for the city while it's here.
2/12/2012 12:58:28 PM
criscokid says:
what about a COSCO - think of all the people who go to Duluth to shop at Sam's club. Sure there is the Whole sale but it is a division of Superstore. Would like to see something different. Sudbury has a COSCO why can't we!
2/12/2012 1:10:21 PM
anvil of crom says:
cosco, is it worth it, groceries are what most people go there for, and they are cheap..
THERE,
here i bet they would be the same price. go to the wholesale club...
2/12/2012 5:42:29 PM
keiths31 says:
Harvey's. Everyone's favourite restaurant that nobody went to. That's why it closed in the first place.

Don't get too excited people. No where in the story does anyone from Cara or Harvey's confirm they are opening up a Harvey's or an Earl's or a Milestone. It is just the hotel developer mentioning that.
2/12/2012 8:44:40 PM
a nonny mouse says:
What a nice way to clean up the area which is full of garbage and often a number of drunken loiterers. That should save the city some money in terms of police/fire/amb calls for service. The suites sound like a great idea - Harvey's is always popular and mmmm....earl's...pick earl's pick earl's. lol. Two thumbs up to anyone who is interested in investing in our city's future. Some of us truly appreciate it.
2/12/2012 11:26:58 PM
DougMyers says:
They may provide mainly part time minimum wage jobs but the big bonus that seems overlooked here is the property taxes they will pay to the city, helping to offset our own as residents!

Welcome to another business(s) entering the city.
2/13/2012 11:19:48 AM
Pandora says:
PanzarIV
Where would you have gotten info. on the sale of the condos? Just Wondering?
As far as I know there is not a local agent in this city that knows anything about the condos at the waterfront?
2/16/2012 9:47:43 AM
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