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2012-02-20 at 21:07

Suspect arrested

By Leith Dunick, tbnewswatch staff
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The suspect of a convenience store robbery has been arrested following a shoplifting incident at a electronics store Tuesday.

Officials with the Thunder Bay Police Service say a man took some items from a Future Shop store in the city just before 2:30 p.m. A store manager was attempting to follow the suspected thief when an off-duty OPP officer assisted.

The officer arrested the accused on Squire Street and detained him until a Thunder Bay Police Service officer arrived.

The city police officer was able to identify the suspected shop lifter as the suspect in the Beverly Street Mac’s Conveniences Store robbery that took place Monday evening.

The 20-year-old man has been charged with:

• Theft under $5,000
• Robbery
• Two counts of breach of probation

Police did not release the identity of the supect.
 

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anon says:
Are you serious? I just finish reading about another Macs being robbed, and I refresh the page and it happens again. Everybody's been saying this is getting ridiculous, but nobody is doing anything about it!
2/20/2012 9:55:59 PM
Mac's Convenience Stores says:
The safety of our customers and employees in our stores is a top priority for us. We’ve gone to great lengths and have invested heavily in safety and security – in fact, the Ontario Provincial Police has modeled its retail crime prevention program (SafeGuard Ontario) after our approach. In Thunder Bay, we go above and beyond that and have added even more safety and security measures.

But this isn't a problem retailers can solve alone though. Despite all that we do, crime remains a problem in Thunder Bay. It needs the close attention of our police, our municipal government as well as our MPPs and MPs. Mac’s is always looking for ways to do even more and is ready to work with them to tackle this problem.
2/21/2012 12:02:10 PM
chezhank says:
Poor dog is on overtime!
2/20/2012 10:07:36 PM
TBayBuddha says:
The more this happens, the more it seems it will take someone being Killed before Mac's will take this problem seriously... I truly hope it doesn't come to that...
2/20/2012 10:07:44 PM
woggy says:
THE streets are NOT SAFE.....
2/21/2012 12:35:44 AM
TBDR says:
its amazing this company isn't taking things seriously... glass dividers, automatic door locks... problem solved.
2/21/2012 1:05:32 AM
ranma says:
we have, what 19 of these stores in town? I think it is time that we either forced Macs to start protecting their workers, or force them to close the stores. Yes the employees will lose their jobs, but I think their lives are more important. Macs obviously does not care about their employees, else they would already have placed security booths up for them.

Time to run Macs out of town. And time for everyone who runs a corner store to prepare for the inevitable robbery by some oxy addict. Specially with it going out of production in Canada at the end of the month.

Oh and congrats to tbnewswatch for allowing posts.
2/21/2012 1:26:28 AM
xcuseme says:
we just have to teach others to rob the robber once they are out of store and not be a criminal offence for robbing the robber no?
2/21/2012 6:40:47 AM
baffled_in_the_bay says:
So much for limiting the over night hours.They are so brazen to do this at 7:33 pm. Mac's do something before one of your employees gets killed!!
2/21/2012 7:17:40 AM
Mac's Convenience Stores says:
The safety of our customers and employees in our stores is a top priority for Mac’s. We’ve gone to great lengths and have invested heavily in safety and security – in fact, the Ontario Provincial Police has modeled its retail crime prevention program (SafeGuard Ontario) after our approach. We've also gone above and beyond what we do in other communities to add additional safeguards and security in Thunder Bay. Does more need to be done in the community? Absolutely, but we need police, city officials, our MPPs and MPs all at the table to find some some solutions to this problem in our community.
2/21/2012 11:50:51 AM
hahawhatajoke says:
It wasn't that long ago that a young local Thunder Bay teen was killed while working at a Can-Op gas station on a night shift. What is it going to take before Mac's store owners take this serious? My goodness! This has been out of control for way too long now. Is it too much to ask to have the store locked at night, and use a security window to purchase items? We are not only seeing an increase in these stores being robbed, but also an increased in the amount of armed robberies! God forbib it escalates any further, and someone innocient (trying to earn a buck) gets killed!
2/21/2012 7:30:28 AM
Curious says:
Well, I am glad to see that the head office of the Mac's stores has taken steps to prevent the robberies!! ya figure!!! Maybe the city should step in and make them pay the city police wages as that seems to be where they are spending most of their time - dealing with these stores! Start charging them if they are not going to take better precautions on their own. Let them hire security!
2/21/2012 7:47:23 AM
Concerned says:
You have to deal with the problem not put the blame onto the victims.
I feel that the Macs stores provide a service to the people of Thunder Bay. What would the citizens do if Macs closed all the outlets in Thunder Bay.I wonder who, if any other operators would replace these stores knowing the environment they would have to operate in.
2/21/2012 8:27:27 AM
rootbear says:
I would have never been able to buy that chocolate bar on the Family Day holiday when other stores were closed ;)
2/21/2012 10:58:55 AM
Tannoy says:
Assuming the sign at the entrance to every Mac's is correct and there is no more then $50 in the cash register at any given time then you gotta figure if 20 stores get robbed in a month (and its not that many) then the most Macs is losing is $1000. Now from a business view is it worth spending thousands and thousands of dollars to put in glass dividers and lazers and what not? All to save less then $1000?? Sorry to break this to you but businesses dont care about the safety of their people, just money.
2/21/2012 8:28:47 AM
Dontlistentome says:
I always love the "all in" comments on here - 'sorry to break it to you', but you have no basis for your statement. Just looking for a rise in the other idiot minions on here.
2/22/2012 6:50:46 AM
TheVoice says:
Thunder Bay was better off when Hells Angels were in town
2/21/2012 9:40:32 AM
Sui Generis says:
Apparently not, because they are most definitely still here.
2/21/2012 11:10:34 AM
gingersnap says:
there was a time when robberies were occuring,they would place an undercover cop in the store out of view..no one knew which store the cop would be posted in that night ,but that was incentive enough to deter robberies..i am sure if you catch a few of the perps,the robberies would stop...it is a limited number of people..it will send a message quick and they should stop..
2/21/2012 10:26:55 AM
Sandwiches1123 says:
I read through all of the comments and really only two of them made any sense:

Tannoy and TBDR are the only two who have made good comments.

Tannoy - that sign is meant to deter theft. I worked at the store on Syndicate and Arthur before and when it gets busy it is hard to deposit cash from the till into the safe. Therefore, registers could have up to $500 in them at a time, which makes TBDR's point valid.

The problem with Mac's corporate office: their losses due to theft are insured. The theft may make their premiums go up and that may be a reason to put more security features in the store, but otherwise, they have no reason to make changes.

To other comments: Don't complain about high taxes and then ask for more cops to patrol the convenience stores. "The streets are not safe" What kind of comment is that? When have they been safe and what does a Mac's robbery have to do with the streets? I'd be more concerned about the lady getting mugged outside of the Gardens last night
2/21/2012 10:58:06 AM
cod says:
"Thunder Bay was better off when Hells Angels were in town" TheVoice \\ here we go... no they weren't.
2/21/2012 11:08:58 AM
Mac's Convenience Stores says:
We can all agree that crime in our community is something that needs the close attention of politicians, police, businesses and neighbourhoods.

The safety of our customers and employees in our stores is a top priority for Mac’s. We’ve gone to great lengths and have invested heavily in safety and security – in fact, the Ontario Provincial Police has modeled its retail crime prevention program (SafeGuard Ontario) after our approach.

Many people also don't realize that our stores are often a refuge for people in the community who have been the victim of street crime - the come to our stores and we help them while we wait for police to arrive.

Despite all that we do, crime remains a problem in Thunder Bay that needs the close attention of our police, and local, provincial and federal elected officials. Mac’s is always looking for ways to do even more and is ready to work with them to tackle this problem.
2/21/2012 11:17:26 AM
Mac's Convenience Stores says:
We can all agree that crime in our community is something that needs the close attention of politicians, police, businesses and neighbourhoods.

The safety of our customers and employees in our stores is a top priority for Mac’s. We’ve gone to great lengths and have invested heavily in safety and security – in fact, the Ontario Provincial Police has modeled its retail crime prevention program (SafeGuard Ontario) after our approach.

Many people also don't realize that our stores are often a refuge for people in the community who have been the victim of street crime - the come to our stores and we help them while we wait for police to arrive.

Despite all that we do, crime remains a problem in Thunder Bay that needs the close attention of our police, and local, provincial and federal elected officials. Mac’s is always looking for ways to do even more and is ready to work with them to tackle this problem.
2/21/2012 11:20:52 AM
sadiegirl says:
I'm happy that you would like to input your thoughts, although I'm disappointed that you posted the same comment multiple times to multiple people. Mix it up a bit.

So you admit there's a problem? Great! Question is, what are YOU going to do to fix this problem? Sure, the crime itself originates in Thunder Bay, but now our criminals know that you're an easy target.

Multiple people have suggested putting a cage/glass around the teller? Why not? Will it take an employee or bystander being hurt or killed before you'll act? Is it the monetary value of installing something like that? If so, does that mean you value your money than you do your employees and customers? Sure, you put cages on the windows, but that doesn't really help when your doors never close, does it?

"Mac’s is always looking for ways to do even more and is ready to work with them to tackle this problem."

Sorry, but I wont believe it until I see it.
2/22/2012 12:51:04 PM
fed up says:
Maybe it is time Thunder Bay residents form a vigilante group to assist the police in running these people out of town? The justice system is a joke, maybe these thugs need a good old fashion beating?
2/21/2012 11:28:37 AM
really? says:
I for one with a history of working for macs can tell you the number one reason why these stores are being hit, I just dont know who to tell any ideas?
2/21/2012 11:54:12 AM
chbaker says:
Where's our police, always over budget and wanting more money?

Too busy chasing pot heads and worried about fake gangs to worry about ACTUAL crime.

Fire them all. Get new, useful police.
2/21/2012 11:55:01 AM
Random says:
don't you have some colouring to go do?
2/21/2012 6:12:19 PM
westfort resident says:
Boycott and petition Mac's. Contact their Toronto head office Central Division (Ontario) - easily found by Google search - and state you will not do business at any of their outlets until the company puts in real security measures for staff, including bullet proof glass barriers. I will no longer frequent any Mac's stores until they put in real measures to protect staff and customers. Time for a local Guardian Angels chapter in TBay. There are already chapters in 15 countries and 144 cities around the world.
2/21/2012 12:02:04 PM
Circular_Logic says:
Mac's is being targetted because they are an easy target. What is it about that particular group of stores that makes them an easy mark? What is it about other small stores [gas bars, confectionarys] that makes them less appealling to criminals? I don't know the answer but I do know that Mac's has a duty to the community they serve and those whose patronage makes them prosper. That duty is to ensure their premises are not hazardous to either the staff or clients. Mac's needs to do some homework and meet their responsibilities; until then I'm with Westfort Resident.
2/22/2012 7:01:25 AM
stuck? says:
More incentive to NOT SHOP AT THESE STORES any more....

A Shell station or two gets robbed in the city, they install magnetic locks and walk up windows for the employees.

It may not be the PERFECT SOLUTION but it helps much, much more than keeping signage off the windows... Like that is going to help.

Why not learn something from the other businesses in town? Install a walk up window and magnetic locks like the Shell gas stations. Flick a switch or press a button, door locks instantly. Mandatory walk up window late at night.
2/21/2012 12:08:56 PM
Marak says:
A Paid-Duty cop, standing at the entrance with a 12 gauge shotgun should be a good deterrent...
2/21/2012 12:40:35 PM
Delbert Grady says:
Blaming Macs is absolutely insane folks! If you think this is their fault and/ or should close at nights or whatever... YOU are the problem.

Macs is the victim. A victim who pays enormous taxes to operate business in every part of this city. They employ people and provide a service to their customers. They should be able to operate with reasonable expectations and little risk to their business.

..but they cant.

a sick and derranged society has coddled criminals so much that its overflowing with them. We have created an environment thats flourishing with losers who take what theyre too lazy to work for under threat of violence.

We taxpayers (including Macs) pay TOP DOLLAR taxes for police to do their job. They are failing, yet taking more money. The courts are failing us as well. The city is failing us.

and our politically correct model of bringing criminals into Thunder Bay has destroyed it.

Put the blame where it belongs so we can fix the problem and stop helping it.
2/21/2012 1:05:37 PM
westfort resident says:
RE: Mac's Convenience Stores - Thirteen of us today have vowed to boycott your stores until further notice, until you smarten up and put in barriers in your stores. Our group encourages as many people as possible to boycott Mac's until they pull their heads out of the sand and get with the program. Convenience stores aren't supposed to be a "refuge". Nobody is supposed to loiter, according to your own company's signs. Your attempt at eliciting empathy failed. Get with the times. Install barriers to protect staff. I won't step foot in any of your stores until your company grows up.
2/21/2012 1:28:11 PM
rig says:
More people have to realize, Mac's is ONLY a store chain and should not need to go above and beyond due to our town turning into the next Winnipeg oxy'dump. We need the police ect.. to clean up Tbay because the problem has already gone too far without enough action.
Mac's is only a corner store for the public, this type of theft should not be a normal occurrence. We need a heavy police presence in this city, lived here for 30 years and its sad to see the city go down hill so very quickly. Im worried people will start taking things into their own hands before a change is made...
2/21/2012 1:33:18 PM
jwo2854 says:
Closing the stores will not solve the problem.
The theives, scumbags, cowards are already
taking it to the streets. People are being robbed and assaulted in parking lots, just going about their daily buisness.
Everyone can't hide in a glass enclosure.
Bottome line, what the hell is going on.
Councillors, mayor, police chief , officers,
get off your butts and start doing something worthwhile. You have no problem going to the taxpayer to pay the city's bills and balance
your operating budgets. It's time you started
using our money to "serve and protect".



2/21/2012 2:22:02 PM
issy says:
What exactly do the Hells Angels have to do with store getting robbed or not????????? That was just a ridiculous comment.
2/21/2012 4:18:14 PM
Delbert Grady says:
Well thankfully a brave private (at the time) citizen stepped up to the plate when what is obviously wrong was made apparent.

A big thank you to the good person!

Now.. gee, guess what??? Breach of probation!

More failures rearing their ugly heads again. Now are some of you finally realizing why we need mandatory minimums?

It doesnt matter how the criminal handles the consequences of his sentence or prison stay, it matters how society can remain unaffected by these repeat criminals.

These perpetual losers are costing us in mamnpower, police budgets, never-ending welfare, dentistry, health care, and housing costs.

Its time they get sent away so the law abiding people in society can live free of these crimes and attacks on their person.

I want to live in a nice, safe city where my children and loved ones can enjoy their lives without being under the threat of criminals.

Send these losers to far off prisons and let them suffer for their crimes instead of all of us.
2/21/2012 4:24:23 PM
imhere says:
I was going to comment on the probation charge as well. Hopefully this individual won't be on the streets again, although he likely already is with his slap on the hand and please come to court when it's your turn.
2/21/2012 5:38:25 PM
DGN says:
Grady, you always say you are so concerned about where your tax dollars are going but then you say that mandatory sentencing is needed. Currently it costs us citizens is $88,000 dollars per prisoner in jail. With mandatory minimum sentencing the cost to us citizen would go up Billions of dollars a year. This increase in prison costs would come out of our Education, Health Care, Environmental Protection, Old Age Security and other very valuable resources that are currently provided. We cannot afford to have this funding go into prisons at a cost to students, health care, seniors and our environment. We should be putting more funding into Social programs that would help people from committing crimes in the first place. This is a far better/cheaper use of our tax dollars.
2/21/2012 6:57:39 PM
Delbert Grady says:
Society pays that and then some for every one of these losers who runs around destroying society.

Youre neglecting to factor in rising costs from shop lifting, insurance claims, property damage, personal injury, psychological damage, endless legal aid fees, court costs, police expenses, crime comittees, social workers, parole officers and Im sure 100 other things that I didnt already mention in the previous comment.

All that costs us a fortune. We pay that for that and then some when we include welfare, detox, methadone, etc..

So, if you think that $88K/criminal is a large amount, you havent added up what its costing ALL of us on top of that.

At least if we lock them away we save alot of those monetary costs and we help to maintain the society of law and order we've created.

No more catering to criminals. No more crying about incomplete feel good hug-a-thug criminals.

They need to be locked away on Baffin Island, and have no special comforts in their cells.

simple?
2/21/2012 10:31:48 PM
Delbert Grady says:
and all those things youre crying about taking money away are ALEADY happening.

We're all suffering to pay for these criminals. Lets at least lock them away and pay for them to live in crappy conditions AWAY from us, and AWAY from the society we're supposed to be living in.

Why are you making excuses for criminals? Do you earn a living from revolving door justice? Because those people are the only ones arguing against ideas along what Im suggesting.

When people learn once again that comitting crimes leads to a very bad situation for them, they will soon stop.

When you provide them with everything they can imagine without having to work hard for it, like the rest of us do, all youre doing is creating more criminals.

Got it now?
2/21/2012 10:36:57 PM
DGN says:
Grady, you're the one who doesn't get it.

Social programs get to these people before they commit crimes. Thus, we would not have to spend $88,000+.

And where did I make an excuse for criminals?

I don't know what you're reading?

And don't make assumptions about where I work because you are WAY off, you are bordering INAPPROPRIATE by doing so.

Moving on, Texas has learned that mandatory sentencing did not work. now that they have seen the light and started to fund social programs, they have seen a steady decline in crime rates and a GREAT savings in tax dollars.

Got it now?
2/22/2012 7:39:48 PM
shake'n'myhead says:
Mac's convenience stores are the target. Mac's didn't set up shop to be robbed. The problem is the justice system. Nobody does hard time anymore. To many bleeding hearts groups out there crying about what an atrocity is that someone is sentenced to 25 years without parole.
We aren't along with this issue folks, we are only looking at our backyard. This is happening everywhere. If the courts can't deal with your case in a timely matter it is dismissed, never to be tried again. Sentence those guilty of the offence to some serious time. Never mind club med or that cozy 16 million dollar prison out highway 61. Put them where they may become someones girlfriend wether they like it or not. These convenient robberies are being committed by a group that are trying to be a bigger presence than their buddy...copy cats that know there is no big punishment if caught.
2/21/2012 5:15:32 PM
JustAcomment says:
Well you will never see anyone get 25 yrs without parole for robbing a mac's ...you'd be lucky to see someone get that for murder in this country. The fact is you go to jail in Canada you will get out and walk the streets again. You all think it's going to solve the problem by putting people in jail and throwing away the key...funny thing is the crime rates in the country are the same as they were in '70's right now..take into account the unemployment rate in this city, the profound oxy drug addiction in this city, and alcoholism. Wait a few more weeks when all these oxy addicts are withdrawing because they can no longer get this drug. These are the issues that need to be addressed. Nobody ever did hard time in Canada, they are just catching more of the criminals..we already have the most police per capita over 33 urban areas. Copy cats? Really?
2/22/2012 1:44:11 AM
jimmyboy says:
Congrat's to the store manager and the off duty OPP officer for their efforts...hats off to you guys.!
2/21/2012 5:26:17 PM
Rbosch says:
|Well chbaker - another comment without any basis. When do we expect your apology and please, before you attempt to justify your postion, whether or not the Police Officer was on duty or off, the POLICE affected an arrest. Job well done Thunder Bay Police Services.
2/21/2012 6:05:45 PM
trent says:
It was an off duty OPP officer, not city police.
2/21/2012 7:24:22 PM
nothappy says:
once again, out on probation, breaching conditons. should have been in jail until he learns to abide by the laws.to many slaps on the hand and being told to be a good boy, then let go to return to old ways on streets.
2/21/2012 6:12:46 PM
#justsaying says:
So here it is... This guy steals from Future Shop then robs a Mac's store - and the community still blames Mac's? what a joke of a community. People, once again wake up! The same people who are robbing Mac's stores are committing other crime - IT IS NOT A MAC'S PROBLEM!!!
2/21/2012 6:16:31 PM
rockin_moccasins says:
But that is just how dense people are in this city ! god damn hillbilly's !
2/21/2012 7:33:40 PM
woggy says:
breach of probation, breach of probation, breach of probation, breach of probation, breach of probation, do you see a pattern here? What happens when the breach probation that is the question? You would think if someone was in jail or/was given a second or a third chance they would NEVER WANT TO GO BACK TO JAIL. You just cant help or change some people. What should be done with repeat offenders?
2/21/2012 6:39:51 PM
molly says:
What appears to be missed by most on this site is that these criminals are being caught.
In this case the suspect was arrested within 18 hours of the robbery.

The real problem seems to be the " catch and release" approach the courts are taking to these serious crimes.
The truth of our crime situation is the Police are solving the crimes ,but the courts are failing to deny bail and sufficient sentences to protect the Public.

Put the blame where it is deserved
2/21/2012 7:40:08 PM
publicdomain says:
Crime in the city is to the point where every retail store needs their own security. We've had a change in our population and in the type of people moving here. We all know that police can't be everywhere all the time and the criminals know this too. I'm tired of hearing about the robberies, the personal attacks on commentary's here and the fact that everyone seems to be on probation at when they are arrested yet again.

We need more drug and mental health treatment centres/programs and harsher sentences for offenses. Jails should provide the minimum essentials for survival. No TV, basic meals, basic everything. They are jails, not a hotel or spa that has better living conditions than where they came from...people need to be accountable for their behavior whether they were addicted to drugs at the time of the crime or not. People of Thunder Bay and communities like ours should be lobbying for changes where it will make a difference...blaming police, Mac's etc. really serves no purpose
2/22/2012 7:27:53 AM
#justsaying says:
I have to say this... If people would stop hiding themselves from behind these blogs and voice their concern face to face with the Mayor or City Council they would have to listen!!! Although i get everyone, for the most part, think Mac's is to blame - the reality is they're not. and they can only do so much to prevent being a victim. I've heard people mention MOL and the corporate duty to keep their employees safe etc... People, if Mac's was at fault in any of this don't you think MOL or some other agency would have already stepped in!! Read between the lines, Mac's is obviously doing things correctly. I see Mac's is blogging here and mention what they do and have done to combat Thunder Bay's issues - when was the last time we herd from a corporate citizen of a victim of crime speaking out? When Shoppers was being robbed ALL the TIME... oh i know NEVER? If we as a community have to start thinking of being vigalante's then we have given up...
2/22/2012 7:39:38 AM
jubjub says:
Why do people blame Mac's for criminals robbing their stores. Be happy they are getting robbed and not your house because that is what would happen if these criminals didn't have these easy targets. The solution lies in preventing the crime to begin with through changes the justice system, social services, policing and so forth.
2/22/2012 9:10:56 AM
sumo1 says:
Would you think a suspect in two robberies and was breaching his probation would be know to the Police. Would he not be in criminal data base along with a mug shot. After the first robbery they had a good picture of the culprit. The police should have used their sophisticated computers to cross reference this info.
That man should have been caught in the first 12 hours. Instead he was allowed to commit another robbery and shoplift. If he was run down by an off duty OPP officer he would still be on the loose. Why didn't the police release his name after the first incident to protect the public.
2/22/2012 9:14:19 AM
Nitesky says:
• Theft under $5,000
• Robbery
• Two counts of breach of probation

TWO counts of breach of probation. NO mention of ARMED ROBBERY
2/22/2012 9:22:15 AM
westfort resident says:
@#justsaying: Your name calling is immature and adds nothing intelligent to the discussion.
2/22/2012 10:45:44 AM
#justsaying says:
I know its hard to hear the truth, but suck it up!
2/23/2012 9:44:47 AM
ThunderBayFullOfCrime says:
Why not actually put these people who rob behind bars instead of letting them out in a week or two? Criminals don't care about spending a week behind bars or being on probation which isn't monitored.

Those girls who were charged with murder got 8 yrs.......8 YEARS? WOW

Lets get tough on people who smoke pot, but the people who do serious crime get away with it. Our system is so flawed here in Canada, it's very sad.
2/22/2012 11:36:46 AM
kirkage says:
This is not a problem of the city police, Macs, community watch programs or anything else you can think of. Although they can help, they are not the sole blame. This problem can greatly be reduced by giving people APPROPRIATE sentences when found guilty. if someone is getting 3 months of free food for robbing a store....something is wrong. Start giving first time offenders 5 years. Send a got dang message. If i were a bad dude i would think twice if i was going away for that long over 50 bucks and some smokes. Why is it in the states the sentances are so much higher? I would gladly take a tax increase to house these dangers to society for longer!
2/22/2012 3:05:51 PM
SheSays says:
Why won't they release his name? I like how they pick and choose what names they realease!
2/22/2012 6:27:14 PM
blue says:
Two counts of breach of probation !!!!!!
When are we going to lock these people up and throw away the keys. They obviously don't see probation as a deterent.
2/23/2012 10:01:44 AM
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