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2012-02-29 at MIDNIGHT

Motorists paying more to fill up as gas prices jump

By Jeff Labine, tbnewswatch
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Another price jump at the pumps had some residents saying government regulation may not be a bad idea.

The watchdog website Gasbuddy.com reported a six-cent increase to some gas stations across Thunder Bay on Wednesday. Some gas station prices were reported to be as high as $1.39. The current gas price average for on Ontario is about $1.29, according to Gasbuddy.com.

The site on Tuesday night reported several stations have hiked their prices to $1.36.9, up six cents from prices earlier in the day.

The increase came in the wake of overnight news from Quebec, where drivers woke to find gas costing $1.44.9, a 14-cent increase from the night before.

Rumours have circulated that gas could go up as high as $1.55 a litre this summer.

If that happens, some residents who spoke with Tbnewswatch.com said they wouldn’t be able to afford it.

Curtis Bagnall paid about $60 to fill up his SUV since the price increased. Working a minimum wage job, Bagnall said it takes more than half a day’s wage to fill up his vehicle.

“It is hard to afford the prices nowadays so I would definitely like to see (the prices) drop a bit,” Bagnall said. “I travel everywhere. I do hockey every day almost and I need a vehicle to travel.”

If the gas price went up to $1.55 a litre, he said he wouldn’t be able to afford it and wouldn’t know what to do. The one thing he knew for sure however was that he couldn’t live without his vehicle.

He said he wouldn’t have a problem if the government stepped in to regulate the gas prices.

Brad Skrzypek shared Bagnall’s opinion that he would like the provincial government to step in.

“I think it would be a lot better if the government regulated the gas prices,” Skrzypek said. “They can have a cut off where they can jack it up and leave it at that or mediate it a little bit better instead of fluctuating it.”

He said he’s not impressed that the gas prices have gone up again. His truck usually costs him about $130 each time he comes to the pump. If the prices go any higher, he said he would be able to afford it but would have to cut out some driving.
But not everyone agreed that the government should have a say on how much people pay at the pumps.

Wendy Handy paid $40 to fill a third of her van’s tank. She said if she could walk everywhere in the city she would if it meant avoiding paying such high prices.

She didn’t feel too optimistic that the Ontario government should control gas prices.

“I’m not sure if government regulations would be a good or a bad thing,” Handy said. “Market driven (prices) is sometimes a good thing but the government tends to get a lot of things wrong.”

She said she heard the rumour that gas could go as high as $1.55 this summer and wasn’t impressed. She couldn’t afford that high of a price so she and her husband have started talking about selling their other car.

Not having another car would mean her two young daughters would miss play groups, she said.

“I don’t want to pay that,” she said. “It’s been painful. My van is essential. I can’t go half a day without driving around. It really has turned into a big problem. It is a big pain to have to pay so much.”

MPP Bill Mauro (Lib., Thunder Bay – Atikokan) said they haven’t found an idea yet that would reduce gas prices through regulation. The most recent one discussed was a possible weekly ceiling cap.

Mauro said he didn’t know what that would accomplish.

“It might just force gas companies to actually increase their gas prices sooner,” Mauro said. “I haven’t seen an idea yet where the regulation is having an effect on reducing gas prices. We talk on a regular basis in terms of the government.”

Mauro said the federal government has a part to play in reducing gas prices. There’s a piece of federal legislation that deals with high gas prices. He said if there is a gouging at the pumps then the federal government would step in.

“This is not an Ontario commodity this is a national commodity that’s used by everyone in Canada,” he said. “The federal legislation is there to deal with issues of collusion should they exist.”

With files from Leith Dunick.

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ranma says:
Oh well off to Ryden's to get gas again. Gotta love how a little tension in a country that supplies 2.5% of the world's oil, is enough to raise prices. Oh wait, it is the speculators that are artificially inflating the price. Once again Wall Street is playing with the market to ensure that the 1% get their record profits.
2/29/2012 7:19:01 AM
think says:
If you are referring to Iran I find they produce 5% of global production. Connected to that, they may have the ability to shut down the Strait of Hormuz and affect 27.2% of global oil production. There certainly may be speculation involved in the increase but please don't oversimplify a complex global issue with inaccurate or misleading statistics. Source:
2/29/2012 4:37:15 PM
Kidknapp says:
Once again the gas companies are holding us hostage! Would the government mind doing their job and step in!??!
2/29/2012 7:29:09 AM
Random says:
Nope...can't be done. I'm waiting for the few "anti government" ones on here to reply to your post, reminding us all that government is too big and needs to mind it's own business.
Oh wait...they won't, because if the government did step in, they would see their gas price drop, and no one wants to be a hypocrit right?
Btw..as long as gas is high, the gov't reaps a ton of cash, so it ain't gonna happen.
2/29/2012 10:48:22 AM
Delbert Grady says:
Too funny. Of course the liberal bed-wetters want government to fix everything for them.

Too bad you guys dont think it through. You see, everytime government gets their grubby hands on things, they get more expensive. Do any bed wetters out there understand why people get gas cheaper on the FWFN? Could it be because they have less taxes?? Less taxes = less government.

Well, thats not enough to satisfy the super bed wetters eh? Well, how about this, do you ever wonder why you can buy booze or cigarettes that are made in Canada cheaper in the USA? Yes, you guessed it. The government REGULATES (i.e. CONTROLS) the sale of booze, and all the taxes on tobacco.

Then, do you know why gas is cheaper there?? Yes, you guessed it again diaper wearers.. taxes/regs We send cdn oil there to be refined where people like the dawson rd whiners dont live and its cheaper there than here.

EVERYTHING government touches it wrecks.

Sorry folks if you think government is the answer youre wrong
2/29/2012 7:46:55 PM
DougMyers says:
Once again showing your ignorance of the topic at hand.
Having beeninvolved in this industry you cannot begin to image of big an issue this truly is.

funny that the anit government guy buys the rhetoric for the oil companies crying that "it's not us it's the big bad government and their nasty taxes." Meanwhile they report multi billion dollar profits.

Ever wonder what happened to all the independent gas stations? Ever wonder what happened to gas price wars? Dig a little deeper and you will find the collusion that has been happening for years. Do you really think they work independent of each other yet draw from the same tank?
If only I had enough characters on here to explain the whole thing to you.
3/1/2012 9:40:36 AM
hadenough says:
Serioulsy, you expect them to step in and do what?
The province needs the tax revenue and every time the price at the pump increases, so do the revenues to the province.
Ontario is the biggest addict to gambling, smokes, gasoline, etc.
Until that changes (and it never will) you will never see the government step up to big oil, tabacco, pharmaceutical, energy or any other industry that lines their pockets with tax revenue.
2/29/2012 3:55:23 PM
ring of fire dude says:
Well this should kill the economic recovery that's going on , back to recession .
2/29/2012 7:36:40 AM
TBDR says:
*facepalm* For you and other armchair economists, recessions are brought on by economic slowdowns, not by inflation. Even if its going to affect the cost of shipping, the cost of manufacture, etc etc, historically its proven that a 6, 10, or even 20% jump in gas hasn't caused a recession. Inflation is just one economic factor, and several need to be in place for a recession to occur. Sorry to burst your bubble.
2/29/2012 3:49:08 PM
Delbert Grady says:
facepalm? is that where you hid your face back in highschool? you sure didnt pay attention in economics!

Your comment just set a new record of ignorance.

Economic slowdowns?? Well, let me spell it out for you expert economists...

the world runs on oil! when people cant afford oil things slow down. when things slow down the economy slows down.

when oil is up, EVERYTHING goes up. When everything is up, people cant afford everything.

then things slow down.

Tune in tomorrow for your next lesson in "connect the dots" til then, remember to only let the adults use the scissors and other sharp things.

oil affects everything, not just shipping costs.

2/29/2012 7:53:49 PM
eddylives says:
Meh.....what else is new....
Did an oil sheik think he heard a mouse fart in his palace??
Seems thats all it takes to raise the price these days.....what a joke.
And to top it off...insult to injury....we are going to sell oil to china?
2/29/2012 8:04:11 AM
silent rebel says:
Go to Ryden's to fill up your tank. Bring one jerrycan of gas back too. Last time i checked it was .98/ltr....and yes they post the litres too. If you pay cash they knock off an extra couple cents/ltr. Not convenient for everyone but sickening that some people are forced to pay more than $1/ltr.
2/29/2012 8:30:26 AM
today says:
last time I came across, I was asked if I had any extra gas with with me.
2/29/2012 11:58:22 PM
silent rebel says:
So what's your point? They always ask what you bought.
3/1/2012 8:48:56 AM
countrychick says:
Gas going up again... oh goody! :PP Let the gouging begin!
2/29/2012 9:00:57 AM
imhere says:
Right now if you can't go to Rydens to fill up and get to the reserve by 2:45ish the lines usually aren't that bad at the farthest station. It was 20 cents/L cheaper there yesterday than in town. If you have a status card it was about 35 cents/L cheaper - but if you have a card I bet you are already going out that way and with good reason.

Times are tough and the extra $15 saving from a tank of gas in my pocket is better than in the companies. It sure doesn't cost that much to drive out there and back. I have found that the people pumping gas on the Reserve are far politer than those pumping in town. They definitely deserve the business.
2/29/2012 10:03:19 AM
tbayguy009 says:
Sooo ... how is this going to affect MY inflation rate?

Apparently, I shouldn't be concerned when my pocket empties faster and faster.

Wait till the public is spoon fed some justification to attack Iran. The profiteers are drooling over that one. They just haven't pulled the trigger ... yet.

It won't be a fart, it will be a boom.

Meanwhile the cost of Canada's own oil production will increase from the pressure of environmental groups. Who have their own profit agenda. (consulting)

So let me adjust my own budget ... no cell phones, no theaters, no dining out, no donations to any organizations, no expensive trips, no hotels, no gambling, no sports events, no parking meters ....
2/29/2012 10:54:52 AM
homelessteen says:
Call me a conspiracy theorist but I think the spike in gas prices is linked to currency speculation. The value of the loonie if gathered in billions buys a lot of greenbacks right now.
2/29/2012 11:03:59 AM
stuck? says:
99 cents a litre at ryden's Feb 28th around 6pm.

Fascinating the difference in prices.
2/29/2012 12:22:18 PM
Fluffy says:
I too am a big fan of Ryden's and Fort William gas.
2/29/2012 1:07:00 PM
panzerIV says:
I can see selling excess oil to other countries but Canadian oil should go to filling Canadian tanks. Oil has become a integral part of our economy and the higher the prices go the worse it is.

Sure as a company you can make money selling it to the Americans and the Chinese but they don't pay income taxes, or local taxes or support local businesses. The cheaper the price of gas for me the more I can help the local economy.

Mr. Harper if your gonna send the oil out of the country (and refining jobs) to the states and china make sure its taxed 15% royalties to keep our economy going. I don't want saudi oil or libyian (which is whats in there now) I want Canadian.
2/29/2012 1:10:59 PM
eddylives says:
So before 2PM this afternoon THP and Chapmans ran out of gas lol.
Wonder where everybody is getting fuel from? lmao
Let the other gougers suffer....I will drive there for cheaper fuel hehe as will many others.
2/29/2012 2:40:20 PM
truthseeker says:
has to do with the tense situation going on in iran. Iran the #2 oil producing country in the world is about to get their night sky lit up by the israelis.
2/29/2012 3:27:11 PM
Arch Stanton says:
I think Big Oil gets a really bad press.

I for one would willingly sell my house and all my possessions to help Big Oil.
2/29/2012 3:32:40 PM
wayne says:
if you are working at minimum wage and drive a gas-guzzling SUV, playing hockey every day should not be a priority.
2/29/2012 4:21:18 PM
crazyforweed says:
wow im suprised delbert grady has not commented with his/her great words of know it all knowledge!! anyway gas prices up yeah it sucks but it will fall again i find the prices jump every time we're comming to a holiday and spring break is comming up!
2/29/2012 4:33:02 PM
rootbear says:
I quit smoking and that put over half a tank of gas in my vehicle. Win win....
2/29/2012 4:47:06 PM
nvjgu says:
1.36," Woopdedo just wait till it's 1.60,2.00 ltr. The streets are going to be empty.
2/29/2012 5:01:50 PM
rootbear says:
$2.50/ltr streets still won't be empty. Restaurants might, fridges and cupboards might, closets might but never the streets. Humans are hooked line and sinker.
2/29/2012 5:35:03 PM
anvil of crom says:
People and gas prices , MAKE ME LAUGH. Would these people like some cheese with that whine!
I look around this town and see lots of v-8 trucks with nothing in the box, and towing nothing with v-8 power.
Or the ubiqitous sport ute, big behemoths with very little space inside, veritable cars on stilts, with none of the handling or gas mileage benefits of a car.
Not to metion the driving habits of many, its an pell mell pedal to the metal rush to the the red light up ahead, stop wait , and then repeat
Chris and Brad time to use logic and your brain, sell the mitsubisi, and truck and get a 4 banger car.
You see they may as well, nothing, nobody and no power will lower gas prices to the publics expectations, if you believe that you believe in fairy tales.
As it is gas is too cheap, hats why you see people, lots of people, many of them alone in their gas guzzler SUVs and v-8 trucks racing to salvation one red light at a time.
2/29/2012 5:12:12 PM
Delbert Grady says:
so now you want to tell people what they should drive?

how about people buy what they want with their money and people like you be quiet about it?

What if someone drives an 8.1L Chev 3500 4x4 but they only drive it 1 day/ week? If you drive everyday, youre burning more gas than them so whats your point?

everyone is this country is still free to drive what they want, despite what special people like you tell them too.

They can also drive how they want, when they want, where they want, and how often they want.

and they pay the taxes on how much they burn and buy.

theres still a few morsels of freedom left in this country that people like you havent totally tried to cry away from them...

but keep at it, you'll screw it up yet.
2/29/2012 8:22:39 PM
wayne says:
well said anvil of crom!
2/29/2012 5:48:59 PM
realist says:
"Another price jump at the pumps had some residents saying government regulation may not be a bad idea."

Who's going to regulate the government and prevent them from continuing their tax gouge?
2/29/2012 7:00:15 PM
eddylives says:
Just because some drive trucks unloaded does not mean they don't need them.
People that live in the country need 4X4 vehicles just to get around during the winter months.
I need my truck for hauling campers boats etc. but I do not drag them around every day.
And I cannot afford to purchase and insure a little econo box to do daily errands in.
We live in NWO not Toronto or Ottawa , suv's and trucks are a way of life.....get over it.
2/29/2012 7:28:43 PM
anvil of crom says:
your right many do actually use those trucks, I know people that do BUT only occasionally. Seems most of the time though they are not being used to tow or trailer.
And while i see more then a few cheap trucks, i see many brand new 40 thousand dollar jobs.
Surely those people cant complain about the price of gas! Also I wonder if you can afford to pull a camper boat you surely can afford an econobox!
To add, i lived in the country for a few years, 15 years ago. I got by fine with my volkswagen jetta, there weet many sport utes back then . There were a few days missed due to weather, or when the highway washed out, ( remember that) but that was the way it goes.
2/29/2012 7:57:37 PM
macdaddy77 says:
I am sure a lot of people are complaining but then again, they own the gas guzzling SUVs, 4x4 trucks so they are the first to complain of course.
Be practical and get something that does not consume so much gas.
You don't have my sympathy at all when it comes to gas prices and the car you drive.
You bought a gas guzzler, you can afford the gas to take you and your family around.
Deal with it.
2/29/2012 8:22:29 PM
wayne says:
people who live in the country/bush chose to live there. they can quit their whining over gas price hikes
2/29/2012 8:23:58 PM
countryboy14 says:
its not people in the "country/bush" that complain the most.. its you city slickers that are the ones crying about the price.. I'm more than willing to pay the price to get away from people like you and have peace and quiet.. stop your whining and deal with it
3/1/2012 11:03:50 AM
silent rebel says:
Some people use them for work or to get to work which is unfortunately outside city limits, and you expect me to just buy a compact car also to use when i am not driving to work for city use after seeing the cities amazing plowing capabilities? That seems more excessive and materialistic. One vehicle that serves all purposes/seasons suits me just fine.
Call me next time you need help moving something, i will be sure to drive by your house in my pick up truck and wave trying to watch you strap your couch to the top of your versa, smart car, echo, pretentious prius or whatever you drive....
3/1/2012 1:41:06 PM
wayne says:
at minimum wage, how did curtis afford that Mitsubishi SUV? is he still living at home with mommy and daddy who pay for his groceries, cook his meals, do his laundry, make his SUV payments, pay for his hockey gear, pay for his internet/cell/TV? perhaps they look at it as investment into his future career in the NHL...lol
2/29/2012 9:11:39 PM
wayne says:
delbutt, you need some serious therapy....a team of shrinks working around the clock....lol
3/1/2012 12:54:08 AM
Delbert Grady says:
A team of shrinks might learn something from me, then they can apply that knowledge to apply their skills to special cases like yours.

seriously, is that the best you can come up with? are you 11 or 12 years old?

how about sticking with the story or is that too much for your juvenille attention span? Are you just infatuated with me personally, or are you willing to let the grown ups talk now?
3/1/2012 9:29:14 AM
yellowsnow says:
anvil: I have one of those V8 trucks with nothing in the box and towing nothing....in the winter!! I use it to pull my travel trailer in the summer so my family and I can enjoy ourselves. Are you suggesting I pull my 6000lb travel trailer around town when I'm going to work or driving my son or daughter to their activities they do?? Hard to park that rig at the swimming pool or hockey rink. Maybe I should buy a third vehicle and pay more insurance, just so you don't end up laughing at me.
3/1/2012 9:09:14 AM
countryboy14 says:
for all those complaining about me driving a truck, get over it.. so I can afford a better vehicle than you that easily got around in the recent snow storm while people like you were stuck in your cars.. so if i didn't have my truck how would you have been pulled out? Don't worry next time I will just drive around you and laugh.. I live in the country and trucks are a way of life.. don't see anything in my back? good cause its none of your business what I have back there anyways.. mind your own business and keep your eyes on the road! distracted drivers cause accidents, remember that next time
3/1/2012 10:58:34 AM
jimmyboy says:
Well..."Delbert Grady"...looks like "wayne" has added you too his trolling list...LOL.!
3/1/2012 11:39:56 AM
jay-ded says:
Hey before you blast someone over the type of vehicle that they drive, keep this in mind: I too drive a Mitsubishi...the reason that I purchased one was because it was FAR more fuel efficient than the last itty-bitty car that I owned; the same car that would get stuck in 5cm of snow; and the same car that I was dumping money in to, every time another part broke. Between the fuel efficiency and warranty it made perfect sense to upgrade to a Mitsubishi (which was reasonably priced considering what my previous car cost).
So before you get on here and criticize, do a bit of research.
3/1/2012 1:23:24 PM
unknowncronic says:
Pay gas pay pay pay?

Pay pay pay gas pay paypay pay...

Pay paypaypay gas paypay pay pay more for gas?
3/1/2012 2:20:41 PM
vimeo says:
It's all relative. Gas is over $2.00 litre in Europe. You don't hear them whining. They deal with it. You don't see many SUV's and big trucks. If you can afford the luxury, then you can afford the gas.

The feds aren't going to change anything as they profit from the increase in taxes.

I'm not saying it's right...it's just the way it is. We're not going to stop the conglomerates from changing. They've been doing this for 40 years. The only way it will change is to find an alternative that provides the same output. Electric is close but not a true replacement (yet).
I couldn't stand the prices, so I bought a small car. People can change and adjust if they want to. Most just don't want to.
3/1/2012 3:06:07 PM
canuckman55 says:
Exactly... gas is more expensive in Latin America too. Meanwhile north americans continue to buy big gas sucking trucks and SUV's. A tank of gas costs my compact 4 door a whopping $42 dollars to fill, and will last 7-10 days depending on how much I use it. In the summer, I take my bike to work a couple times a week and the tank lasts closer to 2 weeks. Change your driving habits, and oil companies will be forced to push prices back down. Its all about supply and demand people. And judging by the comments, you've let them get you by the you know whats.
3/1/2012 4:58:47 PM
eddylives says:
"Change your driving habits, and oil companies will be forced to push prices back down. Its all about supply and demand people. And judging by the comments, you've let them get you by the you know whats."

I'm afraid you have it backwards....the less we use will drive the price higher.
At least that's the excuse they will use to justify the increase.
Either way and we are ------.
3/1/2012 7:48:55 PM
ranma says:
And funny how when I left Kenora today, March 03 2012, gas was only 1.25 a litre there.
3/3/2012 6:16:40 PM
newshound says:
First off, the price is high, doesnt matter what you drive, Its high. Secondly why pick on a person the news interviewed at the pumps, he is a hard working guy going to school who happens to play hockey and travels.. jealous much? If he happens to live at home, what does that have to do with the price of gas? Some people on here make the story about attacking others. The story is the Price of GAS not about how some young hard working guy making minimum wage can afford a SUV!! Lastly, I drive a SUV a Jeep and I used to own one of those small efficient gas cars you all seem to be talking about, guess what, I paid more getting pulled out of the ditch because the car was terrible in snow... oh wait for it, here it is, I lived in the country... so yes, I bought a SUV, used to cost me $56 to fill, now its over a $100 if I fill it in the city.. guess what, I dont get stuck anymore, I make it to work when my co-workers are calling in because they cant make it to work!!
3/4/2012 10:33:43 AM
trevor99 says:
I do not know who the poster DELBERT GRADY is nor do I want to but no one is more pompous and arrogant. Gretzky is not the great one, Delbert is. The self-proclaimed whiz of everything who starts this column calling people bed-wetters. How mature. Mr. Grady, or Mrs. Grady, grow up. Discuss the topic, provide your opinion but keep your self righteousness down to a minimum. Others may be as smart as you, many may even be smarter. You seem to think that gov't is the destroyer of all that is good in Canada. Tell me your ideas to deliver education health care environmental protection and many other services simply by cutting gov't and leaving things like pollution controls to the private sector.

It is possible that as the price of fuel increases, people drive less and maybe the varying levels of gov't may take in less money. But if Delbert didn't think of it is probably not relevant to the discussion. Right Delbert.
3/5/2012 2:19:22 PM
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