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2012-03-26 at NOON

Under-aged drinking complaints lead to drug bust

By tbnewswatch.com
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Complaints about under-aged drinking and partying in the River Terrace Park area led police to arrest two boys for allegedly trafficking marijuana.

Officials with the Thunder Bay Police Service say they’ve received numerous reports from concerned citizens about youth partying and drinking in the River Terrace Park area.

Police patrols were assigned to this area throughout the weekend as a result of these complaints.

On Saturday night, police dealt with about 50 youth. Officers seized about 84 bottles of beer, a bottle of liquor and a bottle of wine from youth in the area.

Police did not lay charges, but did seize the alcohol.

Police say none of the youths officers dealt with were intoxicated.

But, while officers dealt with three males on alcohol related offences, they seized a quantity of marijuana. As a result of that discovery, police arrested two boys with possession for the purpose of trafficking.

One of the youth was also charged with breach of probation.


 

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Steven says:
Here is the problem: Were those two kids with some pot they were selling to their buds hurting anyone? REALLY!? You see, cops do decide who to charge and who not to charge. Every one of these youth could have been charged with underage drinking, etc. etc. etc. but they decide to say that they "were not intoxicated". Yeah. Sure.

Instead, they pick and choose, and go after a couple with some pot. BAM! The lives of these two youth have just been ended by the police deciding to enforce this archaic law, which they do have a choice to do or not, as demonstrated with the booze. Now, these youth will have a record, will not be able to find gainful employment, and are at an exceedingly high chance to end up living off social services for the rest of their lives. Nobody was getting hurt until the cops showed up. Now, two people's lives have essentially been ruined.

The cops need to change how and when they enforce laws. THis is not good for anyone, especially society.
3/26/2012 1:17:47 PM
DougMyers says:
I think you are painting with a pretty general brush here.

Those two were charged with intent to traffic. There is a big difference between some kids attempting to drink beer in a park and kids with enough weed to warrant a trafficing charge in a park!

Let's not forget, one was already on probation. Sounds like he was already going down a bad road.
3/26/2012 2:23:34 PM
keiths31 says:
Pot is illegal. They had enough to be charged with possession with intent to sell. They broke the law. There is plenty of info published that no kid can plead ignorance when caught with it. They deserve to have a record.
3/26/2012 4:33:55 PM
Random says:
::sniff::
Your ridiculasly out of control story almost brought a tear to my eye.....but didn't.

Your deep rooted resentment is now clouding your judgement...to even suggest the future that you painted for these kids is so comical.
Credibility zero
Maybe theres more to the story, but hey, who cares, another dig at the police and another successful day for stevo.
3/26/2012 5:07:36 PM
baor says:
It's comments that you post like this one which make me literally laugh out loud at you , and to reply.
Liquor laws are provincial and are usually only a fine. Trafficking in pot, which is illegal there steven is a federal criminal offence and there is usually an organized crime element somewhere along the chain. An element that will and does and has hurt people physically.
You are surely exaggerating to the point of foolishness when you say that these two youth's lives "have just been ended" really?
Finally, what about all of the tax-payers you claim to support who live next to the park in question who have to put up with the nonsense created by these kids?
But alas....it's all the cops fault. You even manage to complain about the police on a transit article. Get over yourself and move on already.. I could have written your rant for you verbatim.
Yes I am a fan of the police and fire and ambulance for all they do.
3/26/2012 7:45:59 PM
Delbert Grady says:
Sorry to go off topic a smidge..

but if anyone still thinks Steven and I are one and the same, please report to you local goodyear dealer and have the winter air in your head cavity replaced with spring air.

Theres NO WAY I would be advocating for the dope smokers. Society is dumb enough without paving the way for more burn-outs.

now please return to your regular programming schedules.
3/26/2012 11:57:21 PM
ProDevelopment says:
"One of the youth was also charged with breach of probation."

Why am I not surprised?
3/26/2012 1:35:29 PM
TBDR says:
Marijuana isn't a drug... its a plant. The sooner we realize that, the easier it will be to go after the drugs (including alcohol) that actually hurt people.
3/26/2012 2:51:59 PM
DougMyers says:
Actually marijuana is a drug, cannabis is a plant.

Just saying
3/26/2012 3:01:25 PM
hockeyskates says:
Actually Doug its the same thing. Do you differentiate between Oregano when its a plant and when you add it to spaghetti sauce ? Just saying.

Please note: The Liberal Party of Canada's election platform includes the DECRIMINALIZATION of pot.
3/26/2012 4:25:15 PM
Dan DAn says:
Cannabis is a plant. It is a DANGEROUS plant. When smoked, it causes permanent cognitive impairment. Unlike alcohol, which has proven health benefits when used in a responsible fashion, there is NO SAFE LEVEL of cannabis use.

Many stereotypes have a grain of truth behind them. The "stoner" stereotype is just about bang on.
3/26/2012 11:32:00 PM
TBDR says:
Ahem... I don't smoke pot so your "stoner stereotype" comment holds no water. It is not a dangerous plant. Your arguments are myths that have consistently been shattered. Marijuana is illegal because the US outlawed it in an attempt to keep Mexicans out of the country. Its in the history books... it isn't a secret. Congress at the time were given a report that said that Marijuana was a dangerous drug predominantly used by foreigners that caused depravity etc. There was no science behind the report and there is still no science behind it today.

Conversely the scientist who published the most well regarded findings on the benefits of alcohol just came out late last year admitting he overstated its benefits. To say alcohol is less dangerous than pot makes me question what you were on when you wrote this?
3/27/2012 11:35:14 AM
Steven says:
Agree with you TBDR.

The only person addicted to pot is the cops and the rest of the justice industry. It keeps tens of thousands of them employed with great jobs.

3/26/2012 3:07:51 PM
Lakeheader says:
Alcohol, cocaine and morphine are all made from plants.

If you think marijuana hasn't ever hurt anyone, tell that to the families of the BC ferry accidents victims a while back. Guess what the operators were smoking?
3/26/2012 3:16:34 PM
canuckman55 says:
there's a big difference from "is a plant" and "is made from a plant".

Actually TBDR is correct. Marijuana is unprocessed. It is the plant (part of it to be more precise) There is no chemical processing like there is with Alcohol, Cocaine and Morphine. You pick it, dry it, and then consume it in your choice of method. And its essentially harmless. The only possible medical problem is cancer, but studies show its no higher a risk than sitting around a campfire or BBQ in the summer.
3/26/2012 4:12:00 PM
ConcernedDenizen says:
Were those operators actually under the influence while on the job? Or did they fail a test because they smoked a little a day or more before? Drug use, like drinking, shouldn't happen work and you shouldn't go to work under the influence. If you do, in most situations you should lose your job for it. If something bad happens then you should be punished appropriately. The drug shouldn't be illegal because some idiots are irresponsible with it, otherwise we should have gone back to Prohibition long ago.
3/26/2012 5:03:11 PM
#justsaying says:
It always starts with the small things. Youth loitering in a park, drinking and getting high then come up with ideas like committing crime such as break in's and robbery.

Maybe if the police realized there is a youth problem in our City and had programs to combat it; our City would be a better place.

I ask again, Chief Levesque what is your plan to get your City under control? If you cant do the job, resign and let's get someone who can! Do you think Julian Fatino would put up with this?
3/26/2012 3:38:21 PM
ring of fire dude says:
I think your using one color when you paint all the "city youth" as heinous criminals . Did you not go to parties when you were in High school and have a couple of beers that your friend took from her Father , or are you one of the kids that had such a tight leash on you couldn't go out and had to study 7 days a week . I would bet that these kids were part of a clique and the 2 with the weed were not part of their clique . It's starting to look like Chief Levesque is waging a PR campaign to appear that he's taking crime off the streets ,but come on , River Terrace Park ? The bastion of crime in ThunderBay !
3/26/2012 8:26:34 PM
ThunderBayFullOfCrime says:
Marijuana alone has not caused death to anyone. If the doctors are starting to realize the benefits of this plant, why can't others? In moderation, there is nothing wrong with it. How about the police go after the big fish who are stabbing and robbing people!!!!!!!!
I think they should outlaw alcohol over pot, how many people die from booze every year? Try burying a loved who was killed by a drunk.
3/26/2012 4:03:41 PM
hockeyskates says:
We have had this argument before. More than 60% of Canadians now believe that pot should be decriminalized.

The Liberal Party of Canada's election platform includes the DE-CRIMINALIZATION of pot. So in about 36 months we can do something about it.

3/26/2012 4:34:53 PM
Delbert Grady says:
Well, as if we needed another reason not to vote for the liberal party (Boob Rae being the number one reason not to).

The only way the liberals can attract new voters is to pander to them.. something theyve always done. They trade our society and its values for votes, further alienating themselves in the long run.

Only a doper would vote liberal, but the problem is the dopers get all smoked up and when reminded its election day.. they just twist up another one and say "screw it, Im watching tv".

in 36 months we'll see another strong Conservative majority government thanks to former NDPer, now liberal Bob Rae, and former Liberal, now NDPer Thomas Mulcair!

wow, misery DOES love company huh? Those leftists dont know which way the wind is blowing.
3/27/2012 12:04:53 AM
chbaker says:
Once you get charged with marijuana, you might as well become a career drug dealer, cause you'll never get a good job.

So, Thank you to TBPS for creating more weed dealers.
Weed dealers are an important and much welcomed part of society and we can always use a few more.
Let's just hope they don't turn to a life of actual crime.
3/26/2012 4:41:48 PM
crgirl says:
Wow! This isn't about marijuana. This is about apprehending these punks and hopefully straightening them out before they turn into thugs. The fact of the matter is, is that a crime occured. Like it or not underage drinking and trafficking of an illegal substance (yes, marijuana is illegal) is a crime. Please do not misunderstand, while I believe that marijuana should be decriminilized, I don't believe that it belongs in the hands of children. And a crime is a crime is a crime.
3/26/2012 4:45:48 PM
ConcernedDenizen says:
If you want to keep pot out of the hands of kids it must be treated like Alcohol. Regulate it, tax it, sell it at the LCBO. When it's no longer profitable for Joe Blow pot dealer to sell it he'll get a normal job or find something else the Gov. has made profitable. If he can't find either of those things there's always burglary. He has to pay his bills somehow.
3/26/2012 5:42:45 PM
TBDR says:
Well I sure hope you've never downloaded an mp3 then.
3/27/2012 11:37:52 AM
tsb says:
Obviously, we should put these kids in jail so that they can learn all of the latest drug peddling techniques straight from the pros!

Then give all of the parents in River Terrace a slap on the wrist for raising their children incorrectly.
3/26/2012 5:42:55 PM
crgirl says:
Wow! This isn't about marijuana. This is about apprehending these punks and hopefully straightening them out before they turn into thugs. The fact of the matter is, is that a crime occured. Like it or not underage drinking and trafficking of an illegal substance (yes, marijuana is illegal) is a crime. Please do not misunderstand, while I believe that marijuana should be decriminilized, I don't believe that it belongs in the hands of children. And a crime is a crime is a crime.
3/26/2012 5:43:13 PM
Joey Joe Joe Jr. Shabadoo says:
@keiths31: Alcohol is illegal in the hands on minors. They had enough to be charged with possession of alcohol. They broke the law. There is plenty of info published that no kid can plead ignorance when caught with it. They deserve to have a record.
3/26/2012 6:06:33 PM
Joey Joe Joe Jr. Shabadoo says:
@crgirl:

Wow!
This is ALL about alcohol.
This is about apprehending these punks and hopefully straightening them out before they turn into lushes.
The fact of the matter is that a crime occured. Its called UNDER AGE DRINKING!
Why didnt they ask where the alcohol came from & or charge that person for giving booze to minors? Why only charge the youth with marihuana?
Seems the public finds it ok that youth posses alcohol, but heaven forbid if caught with a little bit o weed!
3/26/2012 6:19:41 PM
or$en says:
"And a crime is a crime is a crime."

drinking in public is a crime
possessing alcohol underage is a crime
supplying minors is a crime
84 beer is a fair amount

yet only two were charged
to be charged with trafficking has more to do with the way its packaged than quantity
3/26/2012 6:25:51 PM
crazyforweed says:
Finally something has be done about this , it has been going on for years , not just at this "park" but all over the river terrace area ! and its about time the cops stepped in ... it only took 4 years of complaining!!
3/26/2012 7:52:04 PM
Random says:
For all you pro pot people on here, you are all partly right. Yes, it should be legal, and it's ridiculas to have alcohol legal, pot not.
But keep in mind, this "au natural" plant your talking about isn't so natural anymore.
It's now man made, altered to get one more high. The THC levels are at around 20%+/- now, compared to around 4-8% years ago. It's no longer something you pick while walking outside.
You all leave this out to better your argument, and for some colouring experts on here, to slam police...for enforcing a law we all...wait for it...elect our government to enact, and police to enforce.
It is honorable to pose your arguments on here, when backed by fact, but when you push your position, and leave out the things that sink it, you all lose credibility.
So to stevo and chbaker, I know lots of people charged as a youth, even young adult who are leading very successful lives. There goes your lame arguments.
Time to get back to colouring and slinging those fries guys.
3/26/2012 7:52:07 PM
anvil of crom says:
Sound like we have some permissive parents in a problem house , this seems to be riveria drive across from the park. There are 2 letters of complaint in the comical-urinal, letters to the editor area.
peeps have signed there name to them , so these people while being brave must really have had enough, as kids will get there revenge whe they read the names. It sounds like they are harassing one household in that area according to these letters.
3/26/2012 9:32:36 PM
publicdomain says:
I empathize with this River Terrace neighborhood after living almost 20 years next door to a park or green space as it's often referred to. Every Friday and Saturday night there was something happening in that park and it wasn't good. Vandalism, drinking, fighting, screaming, yelling and even sexual assaults while the rest of us around them tried to sleep because we had young children or had to work in the morning. It's not only about drugs and alcohol, it's about respect for each other. Have any of you tried to wake up a teenager after they've been out all night in the park? Do they come and pick up their broken beer bottles and other garbage? Do they clean up their vomit from the end of the driveway or fix the fence they've broken? No they don't. That's what this is about. It's about people being able to enjoy where they live without being on edge and being angry all the time.
3/26/2012 10:35:34 PM
panzerIV says:
Liquor laws are a provincial statute which means you'll get a fine and that's about it. Officers don't usually give fines to kids unless they are mouthy.

Pot laws, no matter if you agree with them or not are criminal code and result in bigger fines and jail time. With the recent passing of the ominous crime bill, kids better be safer about there pot because they will go to JAIL no questions asked.

Officers don't make the laws they enforce them. If you don't like laws you take it up with your MP or the government.
3/27/2012 1:27:29 AM
wayne says:
"led police to arrest two boys for allegedly trafficking marijuana" allegedly???

"they [police] seized a quantity of marijuana" how much is a quantity???

I suppose more details will come out. and for those who live in that area and decided to write letters to the CJ editor, 50 or more youth and each of their hundreds of FB friends now know your names. should have just kept your complaints with other neighbours and the cops. just sayin'
3/27/2012 1:44:59 AM
wayne says:
"Officers seized about 84 bottles of beer"

About??? is there not supposed to be an accurate accounting of seized alcohol, drugs, etc.?

'Blue River [Terrace] Liquor Shine' (bonus points for anyone who knows the song reference....lol)
3/27/2012 2:04:55 AM
807 says:
50 youth. 84 beer. the kids who got busted probably just picked up the party supplies for the rest of the gang
3/27/2012 4:17:34 AM
jimmyboy says:
"Marijuana isn't a drug"....what rock have you been living under TBDR....come out, come out where ever you are...:)
3/27/2012 8:53:30 AM
Jerry says:
To poster TBDR the NIDA (National Institute on Drug Abuse)in the USA refers to Marijuana as being the most commonly used illegal drug in the U.S. It is "made up" of dried parts of the Cannabis sativa hemp plant. Pretty hard to run your thoughts past those of this agency and convince them of your off the wall beliefs.
3/27/2012 1:44:02 PM
drdolittle says:
For the uninformed readers of this page, I hate to burst your bubbles but members of all walks of life smoke grass. I know lawyers, doctors, nurses, engineers, tradesmen, military personnel AND good for nothing deadbeats who enjoy a puff to relax and enhance life. You couldn't tell us from your neighbour, we're sitting in Mariday Park, River Terrace and Whitegates as well as on Simpson Street or Cumberland smoking our joints, bongs, pipes, spliffs, hydros and chillums. Personally, for me it's an alternative to alcohol, less addictive, and less adverse physical and mental side effects. Marijuana has been around for hundreds of years and will be around for hundreds more. Marijuana is an easy target so that law enforcement can look like they're making some kind of difference in the war on drugs. Unfortunately that war was lost long ago. Focus some resources on helping people combat their addiction and mental health issues instead of demonizing something you don't understand.
3/27/2012 2:55:57 PM
The Badger Mountain Hermit says:
The police, by not laying booze charges, have just pronounced to these kiddies that Booze = OK, Pot = Bad. Way to go, boys in blue. That's what we get when you let these grade 12 goons enforce social policy.
3/28/2012 8:16:35 AM
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