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2012-04-09 at 16:49

Bikes safer on sidewalk a ‘myth,’ says transportation co-ordinator

By Jeff Labine, tbnewswatch.com
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The city’s Active Transportation co-ordinator Adam Krupper wants people to know that riding bicycles on the sidewalk isn’t a safer option.

Thunder Bay will be getting a couple new bike lanes this summer located mostly in Current River. The bike lanes will be placed on Shuniah Street, Hudson Avenue, Arundel Street and Huron Avenue and a bike lane in the south core on Vickers Street. The lanes in Current River will connect to existing trails creating a route about five and a half kilometres long.

But while the city is moving forward with placing new bikes around the city, Krupper said there’s still some myths he wants to dispel.

When bicycles are on the road, they are considered a vehicle just like a car and they have to obey the same traffic laws. Bikes are also not allowed on sidewalks and must be rode on the road.

Krupper said they have looked at accident reports since 2008 and found that most of those incidents took place on sidewalks.

“We really need to clear up that myth that riding on sidewalks is safer,” Krupper said. “The other myth that I think has been propagated is that bike lanes are less safe than riding on the sidewalk or riding on the road in general.

“What we’ve found is in terms of collisions on roads that have bike lanes there have been two and both times the cyclist was riding properly. The driver didn’t stop properly at the stop sign.”

Another major concern for some residents is the issue around parking.

For the past three weeks, Krupper and other city workers have gone out to check parking in the area. They counted all the vehicles on the roads during different times of the day.

He said if they designate parking on one side of the street then there shouldn’t be a problem.

“There’s a large chunk of Arundel that’s being construction so when that’s reconstructed we`ll have the painting being done,” Krupper said. “I don’t think there will be any widening but what we’re going to do is better utilize the pavement width so we’re going to put in a multi-use trail and two bike lanes and two travel lanes.”

Current River Coun. Andrew Foulds will host a ward meeting to discuss the bike lanes. Krupper said the two goals they want to accomplish are to inform and get feedback from residents. Most of the feedback they have received already has been split down the middle with 50 per cent negative and positive.

While most of the parking concerns have come from Shuniah Street, he said most other neighbourhoods haven’t voiced any concerns.

“They are just worried if a bike lane will change my ability to get in and out of my driveway and will it make the road less safe,” he said.

“I think for those people who are against the bike lanes they believe it’s scary, it’s hard to deal with and there’s a lot of changes. People see a road and it’s no longer familiar to them. There are these lanes, they’re not sure how to utilize them, sometimes there’s a biking lane and a parking lane so they aren’t sure how to drive in that.

“I think generally people want to drive with respect but it’s hard to do so when you’re not sure what’s happening.”

Krupper said they have been looking at what have been the causes of accidents in the city since 2008 and they found that most accidents happen on sidewalks.

Foulds said he was excited to learn that bike lanes were going to be put in place in those areas.

“We’re starting to see the pieces come together for connectivity in the city,” Foulds said.

“I think you see more kids biking to schools and I think you’re seeing more people with the price of gas opting for other options. I think you are going to see an increase in biking.”

While not everyone has accepted bike lanes, he said he hoped that with time they will.

The ward meeting will be held on Wednesday at the North End Community Centre at 7 p.m.

 

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unknowncronic says:
If bicycles on the road are considered a "vehicle", not only should they have to obey the same traffic laws, but shouldnt they then need to have insurance & or have thier bicycles saftied just like a car does?

????????
4/9/2012 5:13:16 PM
tadzup says:
I believe there should be a road test of some kind before these people are allowed to ride on the roads. It appears that many cyclists do not understand the concept of advanced green turn signals, or believe they are above stopping at stop signs.

Then there are those who either don't know or just don't care to use the hand signals for cyclists who are turning/stopping etc.

Today I saw a man riding in a bike lane with no helmet and both hands on an ipod, looking down. I have also seen kids playing with their friends in these lanes - children should not be playing on the road.

Bike paths should be created beside sidewalks, off of the streets.
4/9/2012 6:26:59 PM
tsb says:
Why? The cars aren't.
4/9/2012 7:04:55 PM
rootbear says:
I have to agree with the bikes on sidewalk being a hazard. Last summer trying to pull out on Memorial, I checked left and right for pedestrians on the sidewalk then focused on traffic to my left. When it came time to turn, a cyclist zoomed up to me from the right on the sidewalk and she slid along my bumper. If she had been on the road and the proper side, she would have been much more visible.

I still don't feel safe ANYWHERE in this city on a bike or car for that matter.
4/9/2012 5:13:56 PM
jimmyboy says:
I'll ride the sidewalks any day over those crazy and what I feel are dangerous to say the least.
4/9/2012 5:18:54 PM
She says:
I have seen a few children riding bikes already. They dont seem to drive in a straight line and get distracted easy. At night Algoma st N has people driving in the wrong lane half the time because of the many lines on the road. The same goes for Victoria Ave. You would be irresponsible to let little children on them. Why not have more bike paths. they are safer for kids.
4/9/2012 5:23:13 PM
Sui Generis says:
I'm sorry, but when my 11 year old wants to ride his bike to the corner store, I will NOT allow him to ride on the road among Thunder Bay drivers, and will tell him he is absolutely to ride slowly on the sidewalk, watching for walkers, and walking his bike across each road.

I don't care if it's illegal, and am not ashamed to say my sons safety is more important to me than the law.

For the record, my 17 year old son was hit and DRAGGED by a car coming out of a parking lot while riding his bike last summer. He was on a bike path at the time.
4/9/2012 5:23:40 PM
ohno says:
I somewhat support these lanes being a biker when the weather permits but common..Let's get serious here Mr Krupper do you really think it is safe for school children(or anybody) to be using these bike lanes instead of the sidewalk/curb?

One mistake and it could be a matter of life and death instead of a few scratches..I will use the lanes when I feel safe otherwise I am on the sidewalk or curb
4/9/2012 5:42:31 PM
ThunderBayFullOfCrime says:
The bike lanes are stupid. I don't care what anyone says. I have seen what has happened on Victoria ave and it's just crazy. It's so packed with cars and nobody bikes down the lanes because drivers are still using them, drivers don't know where to turn, cutting people off, etc. How about allocating the money for the bike lanes to fixing our crappy roads, getting treatment programs for mental health, drug addictions and helping the poor/working poor. I should run for council here, I would get things done the right way, for the people like it should be. This city is compared to Toronto and we are not Toronto. Thunder Bay & NW Ontario should be it's own province so we don't get dragged down with council trying to keep up with the 'jones's" in TO.

I am so weary of these people who can't see the real issues right in front of their faces.
You cant be a tourist destination with crime and drug use running rampant all over town!
4/9/2012 5:50:37 PM
cob says:
Sorry, but I will not ride my bike on Dawson Road; the sidewalk is much safer so long as you: walk your bike across controlled intersections; exercise due caution at all other intersections; exercise due caution at driveways; don't sneak up on pedestrians and give them the right of way. In other words don't ride on the sidewalk like it is the road! I don't feel at all safe on Dawson Road, Red River Road, Memorial Avenue and other such busy streets. As for the bike lanes, I haven't and won't ride on Victoria Ave. That is an accident waiting to happen. I'll use Donald St. without the bike lane if I ride over there. Bike lanes that start and stop and result in crowding vehicle lanes are NOT the way to go. Back to the drawing board, boys, your current plan is just plain goofy.
4/9/2012 6:03:20 PM
anon says:
In Thunder Bay in 2011 - collisions involving cyclists, between May 1 and Nov 15, were caused by the following:

74% - Cyclist riding on sidewalk
15% - Cyclist riding properly
7% - Cyclist riding against flow of traffic (on road)
4% - Cyclist error (Ex. Not stopping at a stop sign)

Yeah, there are a few problems with the Vic Avenue routes, but for the most part, the bike lane is safer, so long as you: use it properly. Of course the sidewalk is safer if you use caution - anywhere becomes safer when you use caution. If people in this city just paid more attention in general, we'd be a lot better off.
4/9/2012 9:40:46 PM
The Badger Mountain Hermit says:
When bikes are forced onto the streets, then 75% of accidents will happen on the streets. Would you rather be hit by a vee-hicle doing the usual 10 kph over the legal SIXTY on Memorial Ave., 70 kph, or would you rather be hit by a vee-hicle doing 10 kph entering a driveway?
4/10/2012 12:11:14 PM
yer joking says:
If you believe these stats, I've got some ocean Front property in Alberta you might want to buy It also has a long bike friendly bridge with loving pitbulls on it. Who is the Patron Saint of Cyclists.
4/10/2012 1:02:49 PM
The Badger Mountain Hermit says:
Ride like they're going to ram you at any minute, then, you'll be O.K. here. Why? Because the will ram you, at any minute, both on sidewalks, parking lots, and the roadway.
4/10/2012 12:14:24 PM
friedfishy says:
More occurrences are going to occur where there is the most activity. You don't get a lot of accidents reported from bike lanes, or on the road, cause nobody uses them.

Sure, bike likes may be advantageous in bigger cities, but here they are a waste of time, space and money. 95% of parents will never let their children come close to the road with their bikes, let alone ride them on the road.

Stick to the sidewalks, and get out of the way of drivers. As for the city, give your head a shake. FAIL.
4/9/2012 6:07:35 PM
Kam River says:
Bike Lanes are dangers to both the bike rider and the motorist, especially on Victoria Ave. The bike lanes are there for the ego of some councillors not for the safety of Thunder Bay Citizens.
4/9/2012 6:25:16 PM
woof!! says:
Will Victoria Ave be fixed Mr. Krupper?

The only city on the planet where the inside lane merges to the outside.


On another note TBNEWS can you fix the site so I don't have to reformat your url to be able to post :)
4/9/2012 6:34:48 PM
imhere says:
I would rather my children ride on the side walk. Most drivers in this city don't pay attention enough and forget to look for bikes. If you are an adult though biking on the sidewalk politeness says go on the road while trying to pass someone walking on the sidewalk and give them room. We've been hit by bikes walking down the sideWALK on a few occasions.
4/9/2012 6:39:30 PM
nopatience4stupidity says:
Please, please, please admit the horrible mistake of bike lanes on Victoria Ave. Take this opportunity to restore it to two lanes in each direction and remedy this dreadful error. Less than a block to the north is a trail along the river that travels this same distance and direction. I survey every time I drive this road and see basically nil usage of bikes. However, there are many near car accidents because of the bizarre routing (merge right). This designated bike route was truly a mistake in deisgn and application. Fix it now.
4/9/2012 7:29:27 PM
hockeyskates says:
UN-SAFE IN ANY GEAR

The bike lanes here :

1) Go nowhere
2) Are poorly marked
3) Are poorly designed
4) Take up half the roadway (no wonder motorists are P.O.-ed)
5) And give the city an excuse to fine "sidewalk riders" who want to avoid death or a wheel chair on TBAY's roads.

In contrast Toronto's Bike lanes are designed for commuters to and from work. They hug the curb, so there is still plenty of room for the cars. They are clearly marked with hash marks, maintained, and no more than 6 feet wide. I have never seen such a B.S. design, as I have here.

This could happen:

The city stops a 10 year old girl and tells her to get her bike off the sidewalk and out onto the road where she belongs. The sidewalk is ILLEGAL. The child learning to ride is run over by a truck.

I guess the parents could complain to Mr Krupper. He could tell them that "it is a myth that riding on our deserted sidewalks is legal". Kids belong out there with 2 tons of steel moving at 60 km/h.







4/9/2012 7:47:52 PM
karcat says:
On these bike lanes, i like to know who designs these lanes? Is He or she a biker?
i use these lanes when weather is good,
But would like to see these lanes that are
here and in coming marked with floresent
paint and no more than 30 jnches from the
curb, as you are not to be riding double
on these lanes , also with the markings
of these lanes woukd be more visable for the car driver and the cycleists, also they should have the useers of these lanes have there say about it also, this way the auto lanes would remain as they were before ty
4/9/2012 7:50:47 PM
blue says:
It's about time the city stopped wasting money on bike lanes. Very few people view them as a benefit. If these are going to be forced down our throats then the city MUST follow through and fine cyclists that do not comply with using them. I would get a fine if I drove my vehicle on the sidewalk.
4/9/2012 8:20:03 PM
BetterThunderBay says:
TBNewsWatch loves posting things to get people wound up. This shows people do believe myths and are afraid of change.

It is legal to ride on the sidewalk if your wheels are under 24 inches in diameter (basically, you're a kid or riding a tiny bike). The article probably should have said that.

These statistics come from police reports in Thunder Bay. It's true; the majority of bicycle collisions are due to cyclists on the sidewalk. Mostly because of what rootbear noted. Bikes on the sidewalk are not noticed by motorists due to their speed and location. This is true all over the world, we're not unique.

Look out for cycling courses soon for those who are nervous about bike lanes, after people actually try them, they usually feel good about them, and safer.

These comments about bike lanes being dangerous are illogical and untrue. Accident reports at home and worldwide studies show this. I'm happy the city is using factual data, rather than anecdotal evidence and opinion this time.
4/9/2012 8:22:30 PM
aliciamw says:
THANK YOU! No one is asking children to ride on the road. They are asking grown-ups to responsibly ride where they should be riding. As someone who bikes through the months the weather permits, I am jealous of cities like Winnipeg and Toronto where bikers ride with traffic. They have streets that are narrower and busier than Thunder Bay and they can make it work. Why? Because their drivers know how to pay attention! There was one incident where I was almost clipped on my bike 3 times in one day at the same intersection. It was all the same "profile" of driver. Middle age man, huge truck, turning left on a green while talking on a cell phone. Bikers aren't 100% innocent and make mistakes too but drivers complaining because they are too lazy too pay attention isn't a valid reason to get rid of the bike lanes.
4/9/2012 9:42:38 PM
Sui Generis says:
It is not my opinion that my son was HIT and dragged by a vehicle while riding on a bike lane. I don't consider that to be 'safe'.
4/9/2012 10:28:54 PM
BetterThunderBay says:
Hi Sui. Everyone who cycles in Thunder Bay cringes when we hear something like that. I'm not in any way saying there are not dangers on the road, and I sincerely hope that your son is well. Of course it is not your opinion that your son was hit.

We should know how the incident occurred. You say that he was hit while using a bike path. This is a relatively ambiguous term. Was it a proper bike lane installed on the roadway, or merely a sharrow or an Active Transportation Path? Was he going the right direction? My claim is that used properly, dedicated, on road, bicycle lanes are safer (but like going outside, never perfectly safe). There were only 2 recorded incidents last summer in bike lanes, so perhaps it was not in a bike lane, but something else?

I'm not splitting hairs here, to work towards a more livable community, we need to see how and why things go wrong.

The bottom line is that we all want to have a safer cycling experience, and bike lanes do that. But nothing's perfect.
4/10/2012 12:20:02 AM
hardrawkin says:
when I see those SUV's drifting from lane to lane you bet that I don't feel safe with just a fuzzy white line separating me from them.
The white lines on Court Street are pretty much non existent.
I still feel safer riding on the sidewalks even if they are also full of hazardous bumps and lumps.
4/9/2012 8:36:53 PM
jubjub says:
Bike lanes can be safe, but leave it to Thunder Bay to screw up. The lane markings are faded and the lanes are covered with gravel making them extremely dangerous.

I bike everyday using the Victoria lanes and still can't believe how idiotic it is. I felt safer without bike lanes, I have has two close calls since the lanes were painted.
4/9/2012 9:58:28 PM
Dudebro says:
Most cities have a bylaw stipulating bicycles with wheel sizes up to a certain size ARE allowed on sidewalks. I'm not positive what that size is, or if it exists here but the rules is in place so that children don't have to ride on the roads.
Might be worth looking into.
There has got to be some way to get those bicycle lanes removed from Victoria avenue. Who is it who gets the absolute last say over that poor design. I don't believe it is any 1 persons decision. Any takers on what it will take to get together and DEMAND these get removed?
4/9/2012 10:16:26 PM
uknowit says:
The bicycle lanes are dangerous! Hey parents, send your 11 yo onto Victoria Ave and ask them to ride in the bike lane! Then pray for their little souls as they compete with confused drivers trying to merge into one lane unexpectedly yeilding to the 'new bike lane'.

I for one don't want to compete with anyone on a bicycle regardless of whether Mr. Krupper thinks that bikes are a vehicle or not. I have 2500 lbs of inertia against their 150 lbs of unprotected inertia. Guess who loses? Krupper is endanering many people and especially youths who are vulnerable to this rediculuous idealism.

Spend the money on bike paths, that is the ticket. PS I am NOT AFRAID of any biker that I can see coming toward me on a sidewalk because its a minor distraction and it's manageable.

Quite the opposite when there is heavy traffic with cars trying to navigate around bikers. Krupper is trying to solve the biggest non problem with a bigger problem. Krupper take a hike bud! get outta town.
4/9/2012 10:34:00 PM
scoops1985 says:
If you have to be 16 years old to be able to drive a car on the road, why would you think its safe and appropriate (especially the way people drive in this city) for a 10 year old to be forced to ride their bike on the road?
4/10/2012 6:35:06 AM
youngintbay says:
I thought it was against the law to be backing out on any road? And when i was living in B.C it was against the law up to a certain age to be riding on the sidewalk. Plus it was also against the law to not ride with a helmet. Trust me helmets work. But I agree with most of you people with the crazy drivers in this city.
4/10/2012 7:15:27 AM
Arcticfox says:
As an all weather cyclist, winter included I find that the bike lanes are not up to par. I work off Memorial and need to be able to ride there however without going 10 blocks out of my way. I must ride Memorial. If I am riding fast I have no problem on the road, however if I feel like going at a slower pace it is safer to ride the sidewalk, since I am not competing for road space. Especially with such a wide sidewalk. The trick is to ride with caution and pay attention. High visiability jackets help. Drivers here feel that it is ok to pass a cyclist then turn right in front of them without realizing what their speed is. "Gotta get in line for Tim's coffee" is the worst attitude drivers here have. Vancouver's bike lanes are atleast made to go somewhere. and are on side streets that run paralell to major streets. so most vehicles do not drive on them.
4/10/2012 7:37:48 AM
sstorm99 says:
Bike paths DO NOT belong on roads...all over Europe there are bike paths that parralel (sp) the sidewalks. Doesnt take a lot of brains to know this is the way to go.
4/10/2012 8:04:47 AM
jayardia says:
-The poorly-aware bikers will do continue to do nearly everything wrong until they die, or are consistently punished for doing so. I see them often; they are oblivious.

-The good bikers will use the roads unless they feel that (in their present area /conditions) it is unsafe to do so, and thus shift to the sidewalk (or use another option). Good bikers use good sense. They will also communicate directional intentions to other vehicles (i.e., use arm signals.) I know they're around, I've seen them often too.

-The safe operation of a motor vehicle is a more serious responsibility than many of us seem to be aware of. I see an alarming commonality of hurried, foolish driving errors (mainly "failing to stop" and "turning into the wrong/far lane" -on a constant basis.) Terrible.

-The city is negligent in the upkeep of road markings. Division lines are faded/worn away in some areas to the point of non-existence. I imagine "lane confusion" is a concern for many drivers (and bikers).
4/10/2012 8:08:33 AM
Dontlistentome says:
Great comment! Now if only more people would actually practice your suggestions/observations - myself included sadly.
4/11/2012 8:16:24 AM
jayardia says:
Aw hey- I'm not exempt from the "finger-wagging" either.
4/11/2012 6:46:17 PM
metisman says:
Bike Lanes...?
If the city is truly thinking about these bike lanes as a safe and green form of transportation, then they have to enforce some rules around how cyclists ride in traffic and how they obey the rules when they are on the road. At this point in time, many don't. I think that there has to be some training for all cyclists and a sticker applied to helmets to show they have taken a course. For the most part, until cyclist drives a car and encounters a cyclist not obeying the rules of the road, they don't have the perspective needed to understand what a driver in car is thinking, which is vitally important to the cyclists safety.
4/10/2012 9:19:17 AM
letsgetreal says:
Tell the hippies to go ride their bike somewhere else and leave the roads for the big boys in their cars
4/10/2012 9:30:33 AM
urjoking says:
how ignorant can someone be?
When gas prices go up and you gotta get rid of your big boy car, i hope you walk. When yiou hit a cyclist and cant pay your insurance, i hope you walk
Us "hippis" will contiune bike past you. One less driver like you on the road.
4/13/2012 12:44:43 PM
shake'n'myhead says:
It is Spring so it is a given that the lines defining the bike lanes are faded or missing due to snow removal over the winter months. This will be remedied and life will go on as both bikes and motor vehicles try to get along on our streets.
I'm always leary when I go for a bike ride since I was tboned by a handicapped transit vehicle whose operator was to impatient to look both ways and decided to run a stop sign.
4/10/2012 10:06:01 AM
Joey Joe Joe Jr. Shabadoo says:
With almost EVERY home having a boulevard in front, you would think the boulevard would have made the better bike lane?
4/10/2012 11:50:05 AM
The Badger Mountain Hermit says:
Even if you're WALKING on Memorial, they'll try to run you down on the sidewalk, as they dash into some parking lot.
4/10/2012 12:03:08 PM
feduptaxpayer#1 says:
Well pardon ME for being in a rush to get to Centerfolds!
4/10/2012 2:01:41 PM
unknowncronic says:









Make the sidewalks WIDER?
4/10/2012 12:42:27 PM
TBDR says:
A much better idea would have been to take the nearest side street that parallels an existing bike lane and drop the speed limit to 40km/h and designate it a safe bicycle route. Would have saved a lot of painting too.
4/10/2012 2:50:38 PM
MamaH says:
Article states: "When bicycles are on the road, they are considered a vehicle just like a car and they have to obey the same traffic laws. Bikes are also not allowed on sidewalks
and must be rode on the road."

#1: Those bikes riding on the road that are not riding in a marked bike lane are indeed considered a vehicle so when vehicles are stopped at a red light, bicycles should not be allowed to ride up between the cars and the curb to make it to the front. Bikers should stop in line behind the cars and wait their turn as a regular vehicle does.

#2: It is legal to ride on the sidewalk if your wheels are under 24 inches in diameter.

4/10/2012 3:51:05 PM
averagejoe says:
Why disallow filtering? It's one of the clear advantages of riding a smaller vehicle in heavy traffic. It makes no sense to make them stop a dozen cars from the intersection.

It should also be permitted to be done by motorcycles. Many other jurisdictions allow it including Europe and California.

For every rider filtering, it's one less car adding to the traffic. Motorcycles should be allowed to use HOV lanes for the same reason.

Everyone should be embracing and encouraging smaller vehicles on the road. It means less congestion, fuel consumption and pollution for us all.
4/10/2012 9:27:14 PM
Delbert Grady says:
Why is this unelected bureaucrat telling the citizens of Thunder Bay how they should feel and what exactly they should do??

Hey! Just shut up there mr tax dollar parasite, your ideas are the answer to a question that nobody asked, nor wanted.

We dont need bike lanes, especially since bikes are really only used for half the year at best. (some exceptions for the real die hards)

and if they want to share the road with vehicles and be treated as such then I think mandatory registration with its fees need to be implemented as well as mandatory insurance with a minimum of $500K of liability, and I want mandatory cyclist licensing.

You want to have special lanes on the roads like the adults of the world, then step up and pay for them too.

or, just crawl back in your corner and accept that Thunder Bay has always functioned without bike lanes just fine, and our population remains stagnant.

So why do we "need" more of these stupid lanes?

We dont, its just a welfare project.
4/10/2012 4:39:55 PM
countrychick says:
If bikes want to be on the road like a car then they should be insured like a car and be plated like a car and have to renew the plates every year or two just like a car. Also, there sould be courses for bikers on how to safely and properly bike on the roads!!
4/10/2012 5:22:52 PM
tsb says:
I disagree with the statistics because they don't conform to my opinion.
4/10/2012 6:05:16 PM
ring of fire dude says:
Time to take over the CN line that runs through the center of town and make that the only bike lane in town . Connect it to the marina , along the tracks to Current River and on to Boulevard Lake .
4/10/2012 9:06:59 PM
tblb says:
Honestly, most of you people need to get out and see a bit of the world - try leaving the 807 are code sometime. Bike-lanes like these are common all over the world and somehow people cope without the histrionics. In fact, they're considered "progress". Victoria Avenue is NOT high-traffic, unless you live in a cave, and it's the logical location - close to existing paths, it crosses the tracks without interruption, and it's not Arthur Street.
4/11/2012 8:05:31 AM
westfortchick says:
I travel Victoria at least 6 times a week...and in the winter...no one pays attention to the bike lanes and even during this time of the year (April)....I rarely see anyone riding a bike on this street. Court street is another mess...you turn the bike lane on and off and it's a major route for buses...that in itself is a bit hazardous. I like the idea of people having a safe route to ride their bikes...maybe the city should look at putting in a bike path along the expressway

Move the existing bike lanes to less busy streets~! Victoria Ave & Court Street are just accidents waiting to happen.

4/11/2012 10:27:37 AM
thinkaboutit says:
Re: Delbert Grady
Really? You want to get rid of the long gun registry because it wastes money and does nothing beneficial but you just proposed instituting a bicycle registration system and cyclist licensing?

Think About It
4/12/2012 9:49:58 AM
olddog says:
Once again Adam Krupper is making statments without supporting data does he know how many cyclist are riding on sidewalks and how many are riding in the bikelanes. He makes no mention of accidents per 1000 riders on sidewalks compared accidents per 1000 riders on bikelanes. All these statments he makes are just part of his make work project and to keep himself employed.
4/12/2012 10:52:10 AM
Tbayres567 says:
They are certainly correct about reducing the number of injuries by bikers using the roads as appose to the sidewalks. It will be great when they reduce the number of bumps and scraps , maybe a broken arm from 74% down to under 10%. The 1 or 2% of people that will die by getting hit on the roads is certainly better than 74% of minor injuries reported...
4/12/2012 11:31:17 AM
wayne says:
bike lanes (proper ones) are wise in cities where there is a high density of population and cyclists and year-round bike-friendly weather.
4/12/2012 6:01:13 PM
SnoozinGiant says:
Oh my, where do I begin Thunder Bay?

Victoria ave is too narrow for a bike lane. In fact most of the roads in tbay seem a little narrow for bike lanes, driving lanes AND parking lanes. People in general dont even pay attention to the bike lanes. There is no way i feel safe driving neck to neck with someone in a truck compared to me on my lightweight bicycle. It was foolsh to belive that all the children of tbay in their big cars will wanna share the road with bikers. Irritates them and risks our safty. im riding where i see fit. Busy road, sidewalk. i will get off my bike and walk around pedestrians. Side streets sure il ride on the road. maybe we can all get along and share one day. or maybe tbay will either make roads wider to accomodate the new bike traffic, or make the sidewalks bigger.
4/13/2012 1:09:27 PM
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