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2012-04-13 at 14:36

Staying closed: Conservatory doors stay shut until council examines report

By Leith Dunick, tbnewswatch.com
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Thunder Bay’s Conservatory will remain closed at least until city council has a chance to examine a report on the facility in early June.

In a release issued Friday from City Hall, officials said the report, being engineered by the city’s facilities and fleets division will outline “further action plans for the Conservatory.”

The building, opened in 1967 as part of Canada’s centennial celebrations, was temporarily closed on Feb. 14 after pieces of glass fell from the ceiling. Access had already been restricted in a portion of the Conservatory earlier in the month for the exact same reason.

The facility is expected to be subject to the core business review process, which council will use to then decided whether to fix an maintain the Conservatory or shutter it for good.

The Conservatory loses more than $600,000 annually, money for which taxpayers foot the bill.

A phone call to facilities and fleets manager Michael Smith was not immediately returned on Friday.
The Conservatory was scheduled to re-open this weekend.

City officials also said in the release they are looking to increase Thunder Bay’s share of the Enhanced Infrastructure Renewal Program by $9.5 million a year by 2014.

 

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mikevirtanen1961 says:
I am concerned with the careless use of the phrase "The Conservatory loses more than $600,000 annually, money for which taxpayers foot the bill.". By the logic contained in that statement, the fire department "loses" $20 million a year.
4/13/2012 3:08:10 PM
RealityCzech says:
Perhaps some of the information being put forth in the article could written in a more positive light?

To say: "The Conservatory loses more than $600,000 annually, money for which taxpayers foot the bill." is a NEGATIVE comment.

The reality is, the conservatory is something that is meant to increase the quality of life in the city. It is not meant to generate income. Taxpayers do not "foot the bill" for this perceived "loss", our taxes are used to make this facility available for the public to use.

By taking this position Waverley Park, Patterson Park, the Friendship Gardens, the Sunken Gardens at Hillcrest Park are also all operating at a "loss".

Come on... how about just reporting in stead of putting an obvious bias on the story.
4/13/2012 3:29:57 PM
ecostatik says:
I agree. This site is often the source of the worst cases of journalism...ever. However, the other Tbay "news" sites are not any better.
4/13/2012 6:59:46 PM
hometownguy says:
It's my understanding that the glass truly falling was even in question given the design of the building is such that any loose glass would slide down the outside. So....the article could state that glass "reportedly" fell. In my opinion, this building has been a long standing part of our community, very much loved by many people. There are all sorts of other areas where cuts could be made that would have far less impact on things that help define us. The article does seem to be the instrument of those on a mission. Whatever happened to proper news reporting where the facts of both sides are brought to light and the reader decides for themselves?
4/13/2012 5:22:35 PM
chbaker says:
City council is wrecking our city. All over, I see stupid.

We obviously traded this for those crappy poles at the waterfront.

Boos hiss.
4/13/2012 5:34:03 PM
MaryS says:
The Thunder Bay Conservatory is a wonderful place that should be preserved. When my parents used to visit me from out of town, that is the one place they would want to go to. On my visits there, I would see school groups, families, couples, and individuals all just enjoying the lush beauty of the place. It was especially welcome during the winter months.

The main problem is that past city councils failed to provide money for upkeep of the facility just as they did for the city pools. Anyone with half a brain knows that buidlings and structures that are not maintained, begin to deteriorate. You can't just build things and then not maintain them.

As for this article, if we follow the logic used,then I only have one question: How much money are city taxpayers footing the bill for in order to keep the three municipally owned golf courses operating?
4/13/2012 7:17:27 PM
yer joking says:
If the Conservatory loses money..... why is it still here? If it operates at a profit, why is the city in the business of competing with other businesses? At the end of the day we need more transparency(buzzword).
4/13/2012 10:11:07 PM
colleenopaski says:
That's right city council, close another area off that we the people of TB enjoy. You just won't stop until you ruin this once beautiful city. My belief is that the people running our city have only desires to do whatever is good for them, not TB as a whole. I am discusted by the way our city is run, and it's only going to get worse. If my children were not here, I would be gone sooo fast. Continue taking what is enjoyable away, and spending money on stupid things, until we are run right into the ground idiots.
4/14/2012 8:47:33 AM
colleenopaski says:
I have the feeling that somebody wants that property. What are we going to waste our hard earned tax dollars on next?
4/15/2012 6:04:03 PM
jimmyboy says:
We should add to this story the other city owned venues that loose money on an annual basis i.e. the Community Auditorium, The Fort William Gardens, Thunder Bay Transit, our 3 golf courses of course ...so if it is all about $$$$....there are others you can easily pick-on as well...if this was/is strictly a maintenance issue of sorts...then someone should loose their position for not looking after the city's assets for which I am sure they are highly compensated to do.
4/14/2012 9:50:07 AM
jimmyboy says:
TBNewswatch contrary to some of the post's here is still the best on-line source for your news and has this way and ability to post your comments on it...the other 2 main ones do not even come close seriously...keep up the great job over at the home of Dougall Media.
4/14/2012 2:24:08 PM
Chaos says:
Is the report going to made public?

Why use internal staff doing a report when the last two reports were done by consultants?

What has changed to warrant a new report?

Please ask Mr. Smith when he calls back and report back to reader - thanks?

D
4/14/2012 3:02:53 PM
mikevirtanen1961 says:
If the report is done by an engineering company, they have certain legal requirements as to correctness; if any errors are found, they are liable. Unless there are engineers involved at Facilities and Fleet, they are under no such obligations.

The original reports stated that the main greenhouse needed only $5,000 in work, and that the glass could be replaced with polycarbonate plastic for $265,000. As a bonus, the facility would cost $40,000 less a year to heat. Adjust for inflation, and you're still under $300,000 to get most of the facility open to the public again. If any professional engineer said the main greenhouse wasn't worth saving, there'd be cause for some major lawsuits.
4/14/2012 8:20:58 PM
The Badger Mountain Hermit says:
Ahhh, I get it now! Rather than maintain anything properly, they just let everything get totally run down so they can hire their construction buddies to build new crap. Perpetual cash machine. Next, it'll be the Auditorium they won't be repairing... THAT'S why nothing gets taken care of around here.
4/14/2012 9:16:32 PM
Joey Joe Joe Jr. Shabadoo says:
This will continue until they finally say its "too far gone now" & never reopen it again!











If this place closes,
WE WILL NEVER GET ANYTHING LIKE IT AGAIN!
4/15/2012 12:12:43 PM
unknowncronic says:
gobble gobble jimmy!
4/15/2012 12:15:25 PM
tbay99 says:
Get REAL people! Governments around the world at all levels are tightening their belts and looking for ways to save money to avoid financial disasters while the people of Thunder Bay demand to spend like drunken sailors. The waterfront, the sports complex, city golf courses and of course this conservatory! Thunday Bay CANNOT keep spending to the point they are in such bad debt they turn into another version of Greece. Just because you "enjoy" something doesnt mean you get it everytime, heck by that logic I would "enjoy" the city of Thunder Bay buying me a mansion but it doesnt mean it should happen.
4/15/2012 12:15:34 PM
wayne says:
tbay99, the conservatory is a legacy of our country's centennial. i would rather see money spent to keep it alive than the 'artwork' at the waterfront. good luck on your mansion proposal to the city. hope your padded bedroom in the west wing and thorazine drip work out for you...lol
4/16/2012 12:46:19 AM
Tom Sanderson says:
I don't know if I should state my opinion on this story. I may get spanked by Wayne for hurting someones feelings. OHhh, WAYNE! Where do you get the right to insinuate commenter tbay99 has mental health issues?

Practice what you preach Wayne. I take offence to the way commenters treat each others comments as well. You have no right to insult tbay99.

Great post by mikevirtanen1961.
If the steel structure is still sound, spend the money and put in the polycarbonate panels and we are ahead of the game in safety and energy savings.

4/16/2012 3:10:51 PM
wayne says:
Tom...thanks for the chuckle...lol Like I said get off your high horse. What I 'preached' to you, and to you alone, was that you had choices on how to react to what you considered to be stupid comments. As for tbay99, i was making a joke in reference to his mansion comment. p.s. if you take offence to how commenters treat other commenters, then how do you explain your post?...lol at least i never insult the editors, but you feel comfortable with that. Again get off your high horse.
4/16/2012 4:33:29 PM
Tom Sanderson says:
lol.. You are welcome Wayne. I'm sure worse things have been levied at the editors.
You have a great evening Wayne. I must go get some oats for my horse.
4/16/2012 6:24:04 PM
Delbert Grady says:
More evidence of incompetent city managing.

If they cant handle these simple problems, its no wonder the marina is such a disaster and now they want us to pay for them to play with a multiplex?

Sorry Commieisso, your failures precede you.
4/16/2012 11:12:23 PM
wayne says:
Tom, while you fetch your high horse some oats, you may want to google image search 'self-righteous' you will find your photo there...lol
4/17/2012 6:32:13 PM
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