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2012-04-30 at 16:47

Time of use shift

By Leith Dunick,
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Just when you thought it was safe to do laundry in the afternoon, along comes the warm summer months and the semi-annual switch of time-of-use electricity periods in Ontario.

On Tuesday mid-peak and on-peak price times reverse for the next six months, as warmer afternoons mean greater demand on power systems as air conditioners are turned on more frequently. Instead of paying top dollar for electricity from 7 a.m. to 11 a.m. and from 5 p.m. to 7 p.m. from Monday to Friday, those time periods will now be considered mid-peak times.

Weekday afternoons, from 11 a.m. to 5 p.m., will now cost consumers the most.

The Ontario Energy Board has also increased time-of-use rates, effective May 1. Off-peak hours, which last daily from 7 p.m. to 7 a.m. and all weekends and holidays, will increase from 6.2 cents a kilowatt hour to 6.5 cents. Mid-peak electricity jumps from 9.2 cents to 10 cents, while on-peak will increase from 10.8 cents to 11.7 cents.

Tim Wilson, Thunder Bay Hydro’s vice-president of customer service and conservation, said the switch means consumers will have to readjust their electricity use a bit, to enjoy lower hydro bills.

“One of the things we’ll tell customers throughout the summer months is you don’t have to dry your clothes in a clothes dryer at this point. Once the summer hits, there’s nothing stopping customers from avoiding that particular appliance use in the house and hanging stuff to dry,” Wilson said.

Other tips including drawing blinds and shades in the afternoon to keep the heat out and opening windows overnight to let the cool air in.

“That will help out a bit. The key thing is remembering when the mid-peak is now versus the peak times. Those have switched so if you can slightly change habits a little bit, you’ll probably come out OK,” Wilson said.

The impact of the rate increases will be approximately $4 more for customers using 800 kilowatts a month, although there is good news.

The distribution charge is expected to drop 27 per cent for residential users, which when all is said and done, means the average customer will see their bill drop about 20 cents a month.


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hockeyskates says:
Oh and by the way. Your Hydro rates are going up 8% tomorrow.

Don't look for that figure in the article because it is not there.

That is on top of the massive increase 6 months ago.

4/30/2012 5:11:32 PM
Sui Generis says:
"The Ontario Energy Board has also increased time-of-use rates,"

From the article.
4/30/2012 7:03:03 PM
tbayfinn says:
Have to pay for the riduculous rates paid for renewable energy somehow.....
4/30/2012 9:21:59 PM
ecostatik says:
Also love it how the guys on the energy board are the highest paid civil servants in this province, making in excess of $300,000/year and telling us to "open our blinds, that will help out a bit"...and when us Ontario citizens do conserve energy, we get a surplus of electricity and sell it to the US for almost nothing
5/1/2012 12:22:09 AM
Arch Stanton says:
Oh I see, Mr. Wilson, Thunder Bay Hydro put in all those smart meters all over town at vast expense just so that we could all save money...

WE ARE SO LUCKY TO HAVE YOU SLAVING AWAY ON OUR BEHALF TO REDUCE OUR BILLS!!! (Have you ever considered a career in North Korea?)
4/30/2012 5:31:24 PM
panzerIV says:
Phase 1 of the Drummond report, prepare for more from your wallet and less in return.
4/30/2012 5:40:06 PM
wayne says:
'time of abuse' shift
4/30/2012 6:25:09 PM
tbay99 says:
The gouging never ends with hydro...

But then again how else would they pay people like Mr.Wilson their six figure salaries?
4/30/2012 6:32:17 PM
fluffy says:
Wow distribution rates are dropping and I'm gonna save a whopping 20 cents!! What a rip-off these hydro companies are. I'd like to take my next bill and make a paper airplane out of it and shoot it at the clown's office in the photo above. I wonder if he hangs his clothes out to dry. Half the city is gonna like to see him hang out to dry.
4/30/2012 6:40:19 PM
Bonrack says:
Tim Wilson states " ...readjust their electricity use a bit to enjoy lower hydro bills" ....... To ENJOY lower bills!! My bills went up with the start of this crap. We even cook supper before 5pm. We do laundry on the weekends. It was a mild winter and the furnace barely turned on, and the hydro bill was up (compared to before). I understand the reasoning behind the smart meter, but please ..... Don't blow it in my face Mr. Wilson.
4/30/2012 7:03:12 PM
feduptaxpayer#1 says:
Doesn't that picture just look delightfully malevolent?
4/30/2012 7:35:33 PM
wayne says:
woooohooooo! 20 cents per month savings!
4/30/2012 7:49:57 PM
Marak says:
Smart of the biggest money making scams forced on us AGAIN by this government. You think McGuinty did this for our benefit? BWAHAHHHAHAA!

You can follow the "smart" guide as close as you want but your hydro will still go up! Look at the ban on the old light bulbs! There was so much savings after the switch that hydro asked for (and got) a rate increase due to the drop in hydro consumption!!! So if we do wind up saving some cash, hydro cries and jacks up the rate anyways, so why bother, except now they have smart meters that poke into your house and see exactly what you are doing hydro wise...oh and the best thing, we have to pay for the meters ourselves!!! Jokes on us!

Ontario (specifically Toronto) keeps voting this scandal plagued government in...Ontario you deserve this...
4/30/2012 7:59:46 PM
jubjub says:
Now that every house now has a smart meter sending data at regular intervals the electricity companies should be mandated to provide this data to their customers - preferably online and in real-time. Consumers would be able to quickly see how much they are using and what changes could result in larger savings. Most people have no idea that their digital cable boxes use more electricity than a new fridge or air conditioner.
4/30/2012 8:00:02 PM
tsb says:
Energy prices should be based on supply and demand, not some crazy socialist "time of use" pricing scheme to protect us from reality.
4/30/2012 8:16:55 PM
ssafronuk says:
"readjust their electricity use a bit, to enjoy lower hydro bills"
WHAT IS THAT! And Raise the rate as well! Come on! Doesn't Liar McGuinty set these rates? Just wonderful.
4/30/2012 8:23:59 PM
ring of fire dude says:
"Readjust their electricity use a bit , to ENJOY lower hydro bills" . Yes indeed , another ding-dong from The Corporation of ThunderBay who has a gift for words .
4/30/2012 8:54:22 PM
chezhank says:
I commend Thunder Bay Hydro for decreasing distribution rates by 27% for residential users,the only cost they have control over.
4/30/2012 9:37:23 PM
DazeofThunder says:
Sorry folks, it had to be done. It is a privately run corporation. There first obligation is to their shareholders and paying of their top executive salaries. As with any corporation the pressure is always on to increase their earnings per share. The better the CEO can do this the more he will get paid. So don't take it personal, it really has nothing to do with you or I with the exception of funding them.
5/1/2012 8:29:43 AM
yqtyqt says:
Sorry daze - you've left off an important factor here. You should go to the TBHydro website before you post when you state the status of the corporation. The website discloses that "we are a private local distribution company owned by the City of Thunder Bay and run by the Thunder Bay Hydro Board , which consists of 5 members appointed by City Council". This Corporation is owned and controlled through a board by the City.

What is also missing is that the scheme for time of use billing is a creation of the Provincial Government.

And the price of electricity incorporates directly and indirectly the cost of provincial policies and legislation including the Green Energy Act and the BS hype that McGuinty has created regarding the economic benefits from this expensive legislation.

Look at your hydro bills and thank the Premier for your increases and the tax funded 10% reduction. When this reduction (funded by future taxpayers) disappears, we'll all realize what McGuinty has done.
5/1/2012 8:51:29 AM
Dudebro says:
jubjub, right you are. I sent an email to Tbay hydro awhile after these smart meters went in asking when they were going to give us access to the real-time data these smart meters can provide and guess response of course because nobody wants the hassle.
These meters are fully capable of providing information to the homeowner accessible in a secure manner but we'll never see it.
Funny how they don't have to explain anything to us, but we sure have to abide to their rules.
5/1/2012 8:52:22 AM
Delbert Grady says:
This is like a bad carnival game on the government's midway.

First they create a target and dare you to hit it, but when too many people do and they have to start giving up their factory defect cheap stuffed animals, they come up with a plan to make that taget move.

Lets just change the game to make sure nobody can win, nor understand the rules. If nobody plays, they just ensure their profit margin by inflating the gate prices.

And we have little choice but got through that gate.
5/1/2012 9:02:18 AM
yqtyqt says:
Here's an article from the most liberal and left wing socialist of newspapers - the Toronto Star. It explains how homeowners are paying excessive rates for the benfit of large corporate users.

This is just one more flaw, amongst many, in the Provincial LIberal Government policies. Read with interest, Minister Bentleys wishy washy comments. Typical political double talk, two step garbage.

OOpen your wallets homeowners, and prepare for more taxes, rates, premiums and user fees. This government knows no limits and has no shame in picking your pockets to feed its spending addictions

Also look at the cancellations of generation projects in Mississauga and Oakville before the last election and calculate if you can, the cost of the cancelled projects. All for Liberal political gain at the cost of hydro users

Think of these costs before you cast your next ballet for this Liar
5/1/2012 10:37:23 AM
Tannoy says:
You do your best to use power in the off peak times, you adjust your life around it and then they flip flop the times causing people to have to adjust all over again. And even if you do they just raise rates because people arent using as much power, so either way they screw you, thanks ontario hydro, you guys are right up there with oil companies.
5/1/2012 10:46:33 AM
Chaos says:
Is the college going to start a coarse on understanding hydro time of use?
5/1/2012 11:17:33 AM
Sui Generis says:
I'm no happier than anyone else with the hydro rates, BUT .. I do have to say that paying attention to the time of use pricing has absolutely lowered my bill. Yes, it's a pain, no question, but the savings are there for anyone who can juggle their household just enough to use next to nothing while peak times are on, lol. I took it as a personal challenge, and lowered our bill several hundred.
5/1/2012 12:04:34 PM
blue says:
Never forget hydro needs for instance $1billion to pay their staff with wages and pensions ( which after working for 33 years provides them with a wage equal to when they were working) We cut down on hydro usage but they still require the income so we are in a spiral we use less and it costs more. It will never change.
5/1/2012 7:08:15 PM
chilledout says:
I have been going by the new times at least 6 months before TBH implemented them. And to my surprise my bill went from $280 bi monthly to $1000 bi monthly. I even had TBH come to my place to check everything out. Nothing changed except that I don't use my oven anymore. Hmmmm...sound a bit strange? My personal challenge now a days is too pay my bill in one lump sum. Thank God they don't refused monthly payments...Ever month I pay up too $500 to TBH alone....when will this stop...very discouraged on how we are all taken advantage of, but if we want to live we have no choice but too pay...
5/1/2012 10:20:28 PM
pc says:
“One of the things we’ll tell customers throughout the summer months is you don’t have to dry your clothes in a clothes dryer at this point. Once the summer hits, there’s nothing stopping customers from avoiding that particular appliance use in the house and hanging stuff to dry,” Wilson said.

so you live in an apt. where are you supposed to hang the clothes? Don't see buildings with lines around the property.
I use the dishwasher and drier only on cheap times. Don't have an AC and rarely use the oven. My bill still does not go down and over the winter it went up $50. Don't even use the furnace for much of the day.
Can't hang clothes out as my arms can't take the strain of the job.
Maybe we should all go back to using propane for lights and cooking but then that is expensive and you have to do it in an open well ventilated space.
Don't know where Ontario will be if this stuff continues for much longer.
There is only so much money we can continue handing over.
5/2/2012 12:58:05 PM
trevor99 says:
Well folks won't like this but I don't really care. After my first bill on smart meters showed an increase, I spent the next period doing things smarter. I put the dishwasher on after 7, clothes were washed after 7. I still cooked when I wanted to, used the computer when I wanted to and used lights when I wanted to. By being smart, my bill went down $40 to $145 for the two month period. That's less than mmy water. Go cry somewhere else. All we hear on this topic is complaints but no one wants to adapt or be inconvenienced. 7 pm is not an inconvenience. If you want to travel, rent a car, book a hotel during March break or Christmas you pay more. What is the difference. No gov't or uitility can make a system that can generate enough power to feed our need to do what we want when we want, but you people just don't want to accept it. Then pay for it and stop you insistent complaining. You know, I feel better. Didn't make any friends but what the heck. The truth hurts sometimes doesn't it.
5/3/2012 3:32:36 PM
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