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2012-05-27 at 15:48

Emergencies declared

By Jamie Smith, tbnewswatch.com
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The city, along with Oliver-Paipoonge and Conmee, has declared a state of emergency after Monday morning’s flood.

In the past 36 hours, some places have seen 108 millimetres of rain. This led to flooded basements and washed out roads and also knocked out the city’s Atlantic Avenue sewage treatment plant.

The plant typically has up to 60 mega litres per day running through it. By 2 a.m. Monday, the water running through it had reached capacity and caused the main sewage pumps to fail, flooding the plant.

“The meters had actually gone off scale so we were somewhere between 670 mega litres per day but probably closer to 750,” city infrastructure and operations manager Darrell Matson said.

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By 3:42 a.m. the plant was over capacity with water still flooding from sewers.

“We never anticipated in our emergency preparedness for the plant to flood to the state at which we saw it this morning,” Matson added. “We never thought that from a design perspective we would ever have a plant that was flooded to the degree of which we see it flooded today.”

There are two separate crews working on the underground plant, working to try and pump water out before a damage assessment can even begin.

There are temporary pumps set up but Matson said they have an extremely limited capacity, which is why the city is asking people to think before they flush toilets or send water down the drain.

“We know that we’re making grounds we just don’t’ know how long it’s going to take,” Matson said, adding that they’ll have a better understanding of the plant situation in the next 24 hours.

The city received 300 calls by 6 a.m. about flooding. Fire chief John Hay is encouraging people to only call 911 if it’s absolutely necessary.

“We would ask the public to take some precautions on their own. Stay out of their basements if there’s water on the basement floor. If the water gets up near electrical outlets to call Thunder Bay Hydro,” he said.

Lakehead Region Conservation Authority chair Bill Bartley said the situation is unprecedented in the city. As he began to speak to media Monday morning at the North Central Fire Station, rain began to fall again leaving members of the city’s emergency response team to wince.

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Bartley said the city should expect more rain in the coming days.

“They will rise as the day progresses. We’re expecting more precipitation over the next couple of days,” he said.

Members of the public can call Thunder Bay Hydro at 343-1002 or the city’s infrastructure department at 625-2195.


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dopedoctor says:
OH HELL NAW.. my granny lives near there
5/27/2012 4:03:06 PM
unknowncronic says:
too late for many in the intercity area....they ALL got water in thier basements overnite...
5/28/2012 5:57:40 AM
pearlman says:
I am in the intercity area. Currently there is nearly 4' of water in my basement. Everything is gone.
5/28/2012 7:28:11 AM
eddylives says:
There is water boiling out of storm drain covers and many have flooded basements in the East End this morning at 7AM
5/28/2012 7:29:41 AM
pearlman says:
I am in the intercity area. Currently there is nearly 4' of water in my basement. Everything is gone.
5/28/2012 7:31:41 AM
Steven says:
This will cost the city millions to deal with. Might I suggest we drop the multiplex idea and use the money to help these poor people out?
I feel so bad for them! I can't imagine waking up to a flooded basement! JUst awful!
5/28/2012 7:55:28 AM
Unspoken says:
Yeah insurance won't cover any of this Steven. Any reason for you not to have to get out of your house and actually go to a sporting event, or concert or festival eh... Since your so worried about them why not get off your butt and go help them.
5/28/2012 8:23:49 AM
oosten_lin says:
Most people will not be covered for flooded basement damage by insurance. What decade and province are you insured in???
5/28/2012 8:36:30 AM
Johnny says:
What kind of idiotic comment is this?? there is flooding and you write a nasty comment?? classless....
5/28/2012 8:55:24 AM
Steven says:
Unspoken, are you really getting upset with me for being concerned with these poor people who woke up to flooded houses?

Thats just awful.

Many of these people will have no insurance, many of those with insurance will has flood or sewer backup exclusions. The best these people can hope for, and I feel it will only be a minority of them, is to have their lives disrupted for months while their basements get gutted, plus the loss of any personal possessions in their basements that might be irreplaceable.

Unspoken, I hope karma doesn't come after you, because I have a feeling it would be more than just your basement flooded. Think of how you would feel if this was you.
5/28/2012 8:58:43 AM
Johnny says:
Way to hide behind your moronic comment with a nickname, why not use your real name if you are going to make such a rude comment..... coward
5/28/2012 8:59:44 AM
Johnny says:
just had a big flood, and this guy is making fun of the peoples basements that were flooded, classless
5/28/2012 9:29:53 AM
oosten_lin says:
I'm in the east end, 3.5 feet of water in our basement, it's not going down even with sump pump going...have lost everything. No idea what to do.
5/28/2012 8:28:29 AM
fluffy says:
Hopefully this gets all sorted out soon.
5/28/2012 8:33:10 AM
JIMMY2 says:
I HAVE YET TO GO INTO MY BASEMENT, GOT UP CAME STRAIGHT TO WORK, AND I FEEL HORRIBLE FOR ALL THOSE WHO WOKE UP TO FLOODING, ESPECIALLY THOSE WITH FINISHED BASEMENTS WITH ALL THEIR BELONGINGS, HORRIBLE,. I JUST CAN'T BELEIVE THIS IS HAPPENING IN THE BAY, WEIRD, GOOD LUCK TO ALL
5/28/2012 8:38:17 AM
brandnewlow says:
i got 6" of water in my dug out. i live in the east end
5/28/2012 8:42:35 AM
homelessteen says:
around 2- 3 feet in mine
5/28/2012 8:47:42 AM
westfortchick says:
my husband works construction and 25 years ago he said, people in Northwood are going to have trouble in teh future as that entire area is built on Muskeg...seems like it's coming true.

So sad for eveyone, especially thsoe without coverage
5/28/2012 8:58:23 AM
Springer says:
It's not Northwood...it's everywhere!! East end, current river, port Arthur, rosslyn, westfort, mckellar, intercity, Murillo, Oliver....everywhere! A multiple million dollar water treatment couldnt handle the volume, our highways couldn't handle the volume. It's sheer volume, not just where you live!
5/28/2012 10:47:33 PM
Tom Sanderson says:
I hope everyone stays safe. Don't go into your flooded basement until the power has been turned off or there is a chance you could get electrocuted. If the pumps failed people should be able to claim their damages through the cities insurance.
5/28/2012 8:59:16 AM
drdolittle says:
It begs me to question why we concentrated our most intensive development in the city on areas which were historically so prone to flooding. Poor planning, stupidity, greed or a combination of all the above? If you build in a swamp you should be aware of the potential consequences. Flooding is real and the main reason why Conservation Authorities were created in the first place. Not just to make pretty parks and hold dinner auctions.



5/28/2012 8:59:42 AM
Johnny says:
This is the last thing this city needed!! to all those who have sever flooding, it does truly suck but try not to get down on yourselves.. its a freak accident and things will get better
5/28/2012 9:08:16 AM
jannieboo says:
East End here too...three feet of water from the floor, wet vac going nonstop since 3 am burned out around 7.
5/28/2012 9:14:01 AM
theonlyopinionthatmatters says:
This is why you don't buy houses in old swamp land. Northwoods, River Terrace, portions of East End & Westfort, you should know and expect floods when you buy houses in these areas with this much rain fall.

Still sad for these people but finishing a basement in Northwoods is just asking for trouble.
5/28/2012 9:16:11 AM
Peggy says:
Live in Murillo, over night our basement also flooded, water came in faster than the pump could put it out! What to do? Everything in basement is ruined, even stuff that can never be replaced! So sad, wish it would stop raining!
5/28/2012 9:27:44 AM
advocate says:
if it's yellow, let it mellow.

if it's brown, flush it down.
5/28/2012 9:34:10 AM
Arch Stanton says:
Just heard my Father-in-Law's sump pump burned out after 48-hours non-stop usage...

And that nice Mr. Hobbs STILL hasn't turned up with buckets to help him out!!! What kind of a Mayor is he???
5/28/2012 9:40:44 AM
patti says:
What a pathetic attempt by some people to use this unfortunate situation, to move along their own agenda's totally unrelated to the situation at hand.
5/28/2012 10:15:03 AM
DougMyers says:
News conference at 9 am. Almost 10:30 and no update from TBNewswatch.
Pretty sad guys.

I have noticed many times that CBC news has faster updates on local issues that TBNews.
5/28/2012 10:24:18 AM
glock9 says:
Just took a walk down to our recording studio in the east end, yup, under about 5 feet of human waste & the cats going psycho... case of the mondays
5/28/2012 10:33:01 AM
Sui Generis says:
I woke up at 5 am to 4 feet of water in my basement. We managed to save the files and memory boxes (kids awards, report cards, etc), but since my boys' bedrooms are all downstairs, we're out thousands of dollars. Other than the clothes on their backs, all of their clothes were destroyed. All their books. Possessions.

On top of that, I live next to a river that's threatening to crest over. If that happens, we'll lose a whole lot more yet.

Please, to anyone making nasty comments to other posters, now is not the time. Some of us are heartbroken and very, very scared.
5/28/2012 10:35:33 AM
cachinnate says:
It doesnt matter where we build, how much we prepare or the precautions we take.
Mother nature will always prevail.
5/28/2012 10:38:31 AM
collie says:
UMMM if we have problems at the water treatment plants due to flooding ect.. WHY are the public POOLS still OPEN??? really they should be closed! WHy because running water to shower before and after going in pool. I think if everything possible was being done they would have thought of that!!
5/28/2012 12:06:46 PM
harlon says:
This is a time for the community to come together and help each other. It's really sad to see people pointing the finger and making pointless accusations. People are suffering losses of unimaginable proportions. If you have nothing positive to contribute why bother.
5/28/2012 12:20:57 PM
collie says:
LOL called city hall and was passed on to the Waste management who then passed on to the City Pools questioning why the POOL as still open!! ALL I got was a run around and told that management makes the decision. NOW if EVERYTHING possible WAS being done the pools would be closed!!! WHY cuz you have to shower before you enter the pool and then afterwards now add that up by the number of people using the pool gee what a strain hmmm!!
5/28/2012 12:21:26 PM
nads74 says:
really...that is nothing compared to the 1000's of people flushing toilets and having showers at home! Not to many people i'm sure at the city pools in the middle of the day!!!
5/28/2012 1:05:49 PM
nads74 says:
really...that is nothing compared to the 1000's of people flushing toilets and having showers at home! Not to many people i'm sure at the city pools in the middle of the day!!!
5/28/2012 1:19:01 PM
ac807 says:
There is going to be alot more water coming from people who connect their sump pump to the sewage. If your basement floods and your sump is connected to the sewer, you are just recirculating the water.
5/28/2012 1:34:54 PM
macdaddy77 says:
My thoughts and prayers go out to those who are dealing with lost memories due to the destruction of the flooding in their homes.
Be strong.

The city needs to get a grip. Its their duty to be in charge of sewers, street lighting, snow removal, and roads. Not waterfront development, multi plex, and letters to the PM.
Hobbs? Where is he? Its not Wednesday so no walk about today. Or does he even do those anymore?
I am disgusted with all of this.
Poorly planned, poorly managed. I smell another tax increase to pay for all of the damages incurred by the storm.
5/28/2012 12:30:12 PM
The Badger Mountain Hermit says:
Fix the City, or spend the money building White Elephants to maintain the Oligarchy? What's it gonna be? Can't have both.
5/28/2012 12:41:31 PM
nads74 says:
***********NO ONE SHOULD BE USING THEIR SHOWERS TOILETS...just cus your up high, or in an area that isn't flooded, doesn't mean its okay...the water sewage plant is NOT RUNNING which means NO sewage is being taken away...your just going to make it worse for your neighbours and the rest of the city!!!!!!!!!!!!!!***********
5/28/2012 12:46:08 PM
ricky says:
I can't understand why the people with flooded basements are engaging in arguements on here.....don't you have something better to do? Like tend to your basements instead of crying about it? Do something about it!
5/28/2012 12:59:17 PM
diannegee says:
Sorry ricky, but what do you propose these people do, exactly? Bucket brigade water out to their yards, where it's just going back into the water table?? Jeez. Get a clue before you bash others, most people with flooded basements can't DO anything (thus the helpless feeling)...many can't even get DOWN there to shut the power off, I just pray no one is being hurt or electrocuted today. My thoughts are with everyone who got water damage!!!
5/28/2012 1:15:58 PM
Chris says:
I created an account just to reply to this comment by ricky. I am sitting here in my house with 2 sump pumps running continuously since 5am. I moved whatever I could out of my basement, turned off power/gas ect and also helping neighbors with their flooded basements.

I am on here because I am looking for hope, some positive news to offset the misfortune my wife and I are dealing with.

It is sad to see people saying stuff like this instead of offering a helping hand or saying something positive. Where is your sense of community and humanity?? Sick.
5/28/2012 1:25:51 PM
flooded_but_ok says:
My original thought was to get angry about Ricky's comment but he's not worth the effort. Hopefully he doesn't find himself in a situation like many of us. If he does hopefully he will remember his comment and it will have a positive effect in his character. Instead a great shout out to all the positive comments from those who have a heart. Thanks to all of those people.
5/28/2012 2:19:37 PM
Johnny says:
How about a little compassion toughguy.... Who do u think you are??
5/28/2012 3:37:59 PM
menc97 says:
is there any number i can call to help get the water in my basement emptied?
5/28/2012 1:01:38 PM
Asterix says:
We build on historical flood plains and are surprised when we get flooded.. we vote our representatives into city hall and complain about their incompetency while we restrict and delay any tax generating developments in this city..So with crossed legs and clenched cheeks we sit and wait..and offer our sympathies for the poor people who are feeling the worst of this mess. Oh what a bunch of hypocrites we are
5/28/2012 1:08:09 PM
She says:
Don't water your lawn today, thank you.
5/28/2012 1:22:02 PM
sharipietila says:
Have lived in the East End since 1984 and NEVER had water in our basement, not one drop, but we are FLOODED! Two feet right now at 1pm, just sitting here not able to do ANYTHING because we can't get to the breaker. We're on McTavish. Neighbour two streets over has sewage in their basement, we can't claim anything we've lost in insurance as far as I know. This is a huge loss, my son's bedroom is completely ruined. This is the worst day of living in our home in nearly 30 years (never have we had water before)
5/28/2012 1:25:29 PM
brandnewlow says:
my insurance company said if my water wasnt caused by sewage backup.. im screwed if my furnace got damaged due to the water... i live on McLaughlin.
5/28/2012 2:50:51 PM
The Beaver..... says:
@Asterix...i would suggest that most Taxpayers have never and will never complain about paying.
It is the overspending and over staffing and exorbitant Police and Fire Salaries that upsets
most Taxpayers.
5/28/2012 1:34:12 PM
asterix says:
Oh, I don't mind paying taxes. It's what I get in return that irks me. As far as the police and fire salaries go.. they all do jobs that most of the rest of us wouldn't want to so I have no complaints there. But instead of getting off topic lets hope for a respectable end to the current situation and then lets all give our head a shake and look at what's going on in this city... It will rain again in the future. Are we going to be better prepared?
5/29/2012 11:38:48 AM
nucksfan89 says:
I work at Northwood Foods, let me tell you it wasn't a pretty sight to show up to this morning....
5/28/2012 1:44:37 PM
ricky says:
I am helping neighbors and myself Chris and yes a bucket brigade is helping thank you very much.
5/28/2012 1:52:53 PM
Johnny says:
lol, you are a very small man Ricky!! u have alot of growing up to do
5/29/2012 8:52:08 AM
floods says:
if your insurance company asks you where the water came in at you have to say the sewer or sump pump or you will not be covered !if it comes threw the walls windows etc cracks threw foundation you are not covered threw shower toilet yes you are covered hopefully there isnt a limit on your policy good luck too all
5/28/2012 3:30:21 PM
Roberge_Zanno says:
My basement also has a couple feet of flooding, after people full of anxiety and grief I decided to add 200 pounds of Ol Country Time lemonade mix to the water. And now its the best thing to ever happen to me!!!
5/28/2012 3:45:01 PM
1974-1994 East End Girl says:
OMG I feel terrible for all of you whom have lost alot during this flood... I remember being a kid growing up in the east end and flooding was everywhere we even went canoeing down the street when we had warnings of a flood everything of value went to the upper floors of the house .. u all had warnings but did nothing!!!! but say Oh it won't affect me such a sad thing to see alll over the news
5/28/2012 4:08:02 PM
homelessteen says:
If you live in the east end dont pump out your basement. my neighbour had a pump truck come and his basement filled back up.
5/28/2012 4:10:14 PM
feel bad says:
brandnewlow where on mclaughlin do u live
5/28/2012 4:13:10 PM
brandnewlow says:
between atlantic avenue and the bridge .. though i am closer to the bridge..
5/28/2012 7:24:40 PM
wayne says:
I shall keep those who have been affected by the flood in my prayers.
5/28/2012 4:55:14 PM
Devilsadvocate says:
So im reading all these posts and its sad that in this time of disaster all people can think to do is insult others and make rude comments. Well i for one dont agree with most of the comments. BUT thats my opinion. To the comment about the police and fire and there saleries..... Whats tje first nuber u called in your flooding emergency cause u had no idea wjat else to do, whats the first number u call when someones hurting u or breaking into your house. Or ur house is on fire at 3 am. Think about that as they risk their lives every day to save yours. But thats my opinion.
5/28/2012 4:57:36 PM
Whodo says:
'Shoppers Drug Mart' was watering their lawn today, I commented to the manager that that was probably the stupidest thing I had seen today...then he told me something even stupider. They have no control over the water system or the heat system, that it is controlled from the United States?????
What has become of common sense???
5/28/2012 5:26:05 PM
panzerIV says:
I worked at Home Depot and all the music is controlled at its headquarters. If you called another store you could hear the same music going on or advertisement. Lots of big box chains do that because they are control freaks and need to control everything. They don't want someone getting upset by something you might hear on the local radio
5/29/2012 3:29:35 AM
reg says:
We have to help these people out! What is this New Orleans? Let's do something here!! Where's city council? Show some leadership here!
Where is the mayor?!
5/28/2012 5:39:37 PM
Concerned says:
and all of this uproar with each other (on the internet, none-the-less) is why humanity would never survive if there was ever a state of GLOBAL emergency. If we get this upset over silly little comments, the world is doomed.

(I am from Toronto and moved to Thunder Bay because I thought the people were so much kinder here than the south...)


But anyways, I really hope everyone stays safe and helps each other out. We are all in this together. Good luck to everyone in this time of need. <3=)And don't forget to lend a helping hand
5/28/2012 5:40:32 PM
rootbear says:
Had a place that got flooded 3 times in past 12 years. Dealt with it myself. Didn't ask for any help. Always had insurance. They had to help me once. You know what I finally did? Sold it. Now I'm sitting in my bone dry home in Northwood of all places. I consider myself one of the lucky ones. Godbless those affected, I've been there.
5/28/2012 7:11:33 PM
hotdog says:
There are still many storm water connections to the sanitary sewer system. The City has been working for many years to separate the storm water from the sewer water to reduce treatment costs.

Early this morning significant rain overwhelmed the storm sewer system AND the sanitary sewage system. The inflow of water to the Atlantic Ave. waste water treatment plant exceeded the peak design flow. At that time, coincidently, something else happened. The inflow sewage pump room was flooded with water. The pumps are 30 feet below grade in a hole. Water got into the pump room and they failed. Now they need to be replaced and this will take time???? Many people are going to be living in the stone age until these pumps are fixed. Much of the storm water drainage systems are/were maxed out. The catchbasins in the intercity area were filled within one foot of ground level. That is how close we came to a much bigger problem. Job 1 is to get the 3- 500 hp and 2-800hp waste water pumps going!!
5/28/2012 7:48:55 PM
nads74 says:
yup thats what happened...you must have been there today along with my husband who works, it's been crazy there today.

Totally changing the subject, for our local restorations companies that are going to be overwhelmed there are out of town ones on their way in. One being from Windsor Ontario Gulf Restoration 519-919-1122 ... they are drivin here to help out! Intact Ins had over 500 calls today so people are gonna be BUSY!
5/28/2012 8:54:09 PM
Tom Sanderson says:
I feel for the people who got flooded. You mention out of town restoration companies are coming to help. I hope the help doesn't cost the insurance companies, i.e.:policy holder an arm and a leg like the hail damaged roofing scam has.
5/29/2012 9:25:04 AM
nads74 says:
no...they are comin here on their own buck (gas etc) and will only be makin what the ins approves.
5/29/2012 11:00:27 AM
Johnny says:
Roofing scam?? I got my shingles replaced because the hail damaged them and destroyed the air vents. I didnt scam anything, think be4 u type
5/29/2012 11:51:03 AM
waterunderthebridge says:
Have Joe V write a letter to Stephen Harper and tell him its because he backed out of Kyoto. Better yet tell Joe V that he should be focusing on how to get the work completed on this project instead of pzzing his time and council's time away debating idiotic issues that they have no imput nor control over.
5/28/2012 10:40:10 PM
cob says:
What is the extent of flooding in the rest of the underground galleries, pump rooms and electrical rooms?
If these areas are flooded, and it would seem very probable that they are, then we are looking at months before the entire plant is back in operation.
What will happen to biological processes (4 anaerobic digesters and secondary BAF units) during this shutdown? Will they have to be cleaned out and restarted as well?
What about the miles of electrical and control wiring?
People need to know the true extent of this disaster. Never mind who might be at fault, and I firmly believe this was preventable, let's just make sure we never experience this again. We need to know some rough timelines as to when bypass pumping will alleviate the flooding. Surely to Christ they know by now when we will have these pumps delivered, set up and in operation. Then it is just a math problem to calculate the time to pump down the sewers. This question that requires an immediate answer!
5/28/2012 8:33:53 PM
passlake says:
they don't know the extent yet. It's under millions of litres of sewage. They have to get the water out before they can assess the damage. Will it take months? Maybe. Do those digesters have to be restarted? Maybe. Is wiring damaged? Maybe.

The plant typically deals with 60 ML per day. They can't even record how much was going through at the time it began to failure, as per the article: "The meters had actually gone off scale". They estimate more than 10 times the normal amount went through the plant!

And then they have to pump it out with help from pumps coming from Toronto (which should be here today if they left yesterday). While they pump out the plant, they will get an influx of more water from the sewage system. They likely have no idea how much water is actually backed up, so it IS difficult to predict how long it will take.

So, have some patience. We will be given answers eventually. It's just that right now any answer will be "We don't know yet."
5/29/2012 7:55:04 AM
cob says:
I respectfully disagree. They know by now if other parts of the plant are flooded. It's as simple as opening the door and looking down a stairwell. If other areas are not flooded, that is very good news, and we could use some.
As for an estimate as to when the restriction on draining water to the sewer will end, an estimate as to the order of magnitude would be helpful. Are we looking at a few days, a week, 10 days, 2 weeks? It would help those affected plan for some sort of life in the meantime. Some guidelines as to how to cope in the meantime would also help. For example: Infants have to be bathed but bath water does not have to go down the drain, adults can lessen shower frequency, reduce dishwashing to the bare essentials, curtail laundry activity, flush the toilet only when necessary (yellow=mellow, brown=down)etc.
This is not going to be over soon; roughly how long is a question that needs to be addressed now.
5/29/2012 10:18:11 AM
grs says:
I was watching the news last night and thinking the same thing about an estimate for how long. I'm amazed at what gets passed off as 'reporting' by the media in Thunder Bay. I mean, here you are interviewing the head cheese, Darrell Matson who tells people to reduce their consumption of water, and nothing asked like, how long. That's the first question that popped into my mind while watching the news last night.

No questions on time frame for fixing, etc. It's like all the 'reporters' do is walk up to the guy, stick a microphone in his face, and let him talk. When he's done the 'interview' is over.
5/29/2012 11:58:21 AM
east says:
So are we wasting or time pumping out basements?
5/28/2012 8:53:50 PM
sullylives says:
Took a drive over to my aunt's place on McLeod St today to give her a hand and WOW is all I can say about this neighbourhood of the East End: people were all outside helping one another, helping neighbours, doing ANYTHING they could for each other, really looking out for other people. I actually stood and looked around and thought to myself these people who have just suffered a good deal of loss are still going out of their way to try and make sure their neighbours didn't have it worse...KUDOS to you all over there, seriously!!! Pumps, generators, hoses, even buckets all changing hands, people pitching in moving boxes, sharing tools, man. I was seriously proud of my city in a way I didn't expect today.
5/29/2012 1:35:38 AM
tbayguy009 says:
I just want to make a couple of comments.

1) Concidering several roads and road systems washed out, why couldn't have some emergency coridinator have gathered the information and posted a google map hightlighting the wash outs and road closures. It is a highly connected society and yet the only warning people get, is a sign, barracade or police stop. If people could access information to route plan ahead of attempting travel, it would have made the somewhat situation better.

This also happened a few years ago, and local residents knew more about open roads and detours more than the officials who just stood at road blocks.

2) If the pumps were overwhelmed, it would be the result of having no control on the inflow of water to the pumps. Had there been gates to restrict the inflow to match the pump capacity, then perhaps the pumps would be running now, and catching up.

3) People are pumping raw waste out of their basement into their yards. Yet no comment from the health department.
5/29/2012 7:36:55 AM
fedhead says:
Lived in the Eastend(McPherson St) most of my years-Grew up poor which I think was an advantage over others as it gave us heart--Like when I was growing up, we always watched each others back and still do when mother nature strikes at us-Hats off to you folks-Even without sewer backup coverage there are options to help you recover-Dont despair
5/29/2012 8:34:30 AM
udecide says:
"tbayguy009"....YOU ARE AWESOME....You have all the answers and know exactly what to do in emergencies....so why not get out and help and not sit at your computer day in day out knocking the people that are trying to help. Run for mayor and show us what you can do...
5/29/2012 8:47:41 AM
tbayguy009 says:
People like you would NOT like me being in charge.

First and foremost, people making large salaries and providing so little help in a state of emergency like this would be fired immediately.

It is a MAJOR engineering mistake to have your sewage treatment plant flooded because you hadn't planned for a way to control the inflow with gates.

Sitting at my computer, I will guess that the only solution that will fix the cities sewage proplem is when they get enough spare pump capacity to pump their sump dry to access the old pumps.

In the 1970's the city DID shutdown water supplies to sections of the city.

If I was in charge, yes, I would have given a 6 hours emerency notice, fill you sink, fill your pots and pans, and fill your bathtub. The water supply would have been shut down to the entire city.

Then no one would be watering lawns, washing cars or power washing libraries.

The strain on the sewage system would be only what people pour into the toilet tanks.

You wouldn't like it.
5/29/2012 8:16:21 PM
barry medawin says:
Kitschi-Manitou was sure angry over the last few days!
5/29/2012 12:02:11 PM
Spongebob says:
I think that peoples floods should leave them so no more places get flooded
5/30/2012 8:04:55 AM
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