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2012-06-17 at 11:17

Pro-choice group holds protest in response to pro-life tour

By Jeff Labine, tbnewswatch.com
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Kari Jefford says she’s worried about women’s rights in Canada.

The president of Canadian Auto Workers Local 229 and about 15 other people held a protest in response to a pro-life group called the Canadian Centre for Bio-Ethical Reform. The Calgary –based group stopped in Thunder Bay over the weekend as part of their cross-country tour.

The group arrived in a caravan and showed graphic images of aborted fetuses. The tour is a twist on Canada’s first national feminist protest in the 1970s called the Abortion Caravan that advocated for an amendment to federal law making the abortions free on demand.

Jefford said the fear, guilt and shock tactics behind the pro-life caravan works to alienate the public and to terrify women rather than work toward an informed and safe decision.

“We just want to make sure folks are hearing the other side of the story,” Jefford said. “They are gearing up for the fall vote on Motion 312 moved by Conservative MP Stephen Woodworth who is challenging when life actually starts. They are trying to reopen the whole abortion debate again. I’m always worried because Prime Minister Stephen Harper has been attacking women’s rights since he got into power.”

Jefford said they remained across the street when the group held a presentation for the New Hope Reformed Church Saturday night. Following the event, the large trucks used in the caravan drove around the area.

Many who came by stopped and asked what was going on and Jefford said most of those people she spoke to were disgusted with what was being shown and suspected that the group didn’t get the kind of response they were looking for.

Officials with the CCBR alerted local media to an incident near the corner Bay Street and Algoma Street after someone threw chocolate milk at the group members. Thunder Bay police were called about the incident and the group continued spreading their message.

Jefford said pro-life groups can sometimes be more vocal on the abortion issue and so it’s important to always have the other side to the story but always in a peaceful way.

“They are not only very vocal but very crash, harsh and in your face,” she said. “I don’t want this to be a fight from the side I want this to be a fight right from the forefront. I think being calm and being open to debate is the right way of combating that kind of aggressive, very American type of demonstration.”

The CCBR caravan has since left Thunder Bay.

 

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Ranma says:
Ah good old pro-lifers. You are only important to them when you are a fetus, then when you are born, they don't care whether you live or die, because you are no longer their "moral responsibility".

Such hypocrites. It's wrong to abort a fetus that is not yet born, yet it is perfectly ok to kill the doctors that perform the procedure. And I won't even go into the whole religion thing, as that is another story completely!
6/17/2012 12:41:46 PM
redgreen19 says:
Thanks for grouping us all together, as though we all think and espouse identical views just because we are pro-life. No, we all think for ourselves, thank you very much. Don't pretend you know what I think on all matters of social conscience and I won't assume that all pro-choicers have to resort to calling people names just because they have an opposing view.
6/17/2012 2:40:14 PM
Chris says:
I think that it is unfair to paint all Pro-lifers with the brush of the crazy religious zealot;if you research your facts you will also see the crazy pro-choice zealot who has obtained national media attention garnished through a very violent act(s) due to some long standing mental disorder(s). The extremists on both sides can paint their own pictures and form their own groups which in no way represent society as a whole when it comes to rationally and calmly debating abortion.
Many prolife and prolife grassroots groups support mothers from conception to birth and then even onwards, Birthright is a good example. Do your homework on what abortion is and isn't before you start condeming the prolife movement as one big entity. FYI Many pro-lifers can view the issue without bringing religion into it;scientific evidence and research studies back up the facts. People who just blurt out inane, uneducated comments should think about researching a subject before reacting viscerally to it.
6/18/2012 1:34:56 PM
yer joking says:
Why is it Okay to kill Doctors and not pliticians who make the laws?
6/21/2012 5:37:20 PM
countrychick says:
* Ranma.... I am prolife and i certainly do not condone killing doctors or anyone else for that matter, please do not paint all of us with the same brush. We do not have the right to take an innocent life for any reason.
6/17/2012 2:16:13 PM
laurie says:
Wonder how many other people had to explain the awful images on the truck to younger kids ??

Your rally didn't have to been in everyones face parading around the city with your ugly trucks..

I'm with Ranma on their comment!
6/17/2012 2:34:10 PM
Tim H. says:
Reality is hard to face huh?

The picture isnt ugly, the people who caused what the picture captured are the true ugliness. Thats like blaming the newspaper for the news.
6/17/2012 6:00:03 PM
Tannoy says:
The pictures on the truck should have been the ones protesting, we would all be better off.
6/18/2012 3:24:58 PM
teilvnav says:
These people left flyers in mailboxes in my neighbourhood... flyers with a picture of an aborted fetus on the front. That image hit me like a sucker punch and has haunted me since. Whether I am for or against abortion, this particular kind of tactic will gaurantee that this group will never get support from me.
6/17/2012 3:51:56 PM
Nitesky says:
That image should hit you like a sucker punch and should haunt you. After all it is a human being that has been slaughtered and all the while you still have your life
6/17/2012 6:07:21 PM
tadzup says:
What these people are doing is disgusting. Taking away women's right to choose is not the answer. That would only put us back in the dark ages where women risked their own lives, or died, getting an abortion through some other means.

Not to mention that the images they were showing were outright lies. The image they claimed was a "9 week" fetus was laughable - fetuses are NOT that developed by 9 weeks.

They claimed to have changed minds by showing these disturbing images. If I showed you a picture of an open heart surgery would that change your mind about having the procedure that could improve or save your life? Probably not.

Good for you, CAW!
6/17/2012 4:40:40 PM
Tim H. says:
Good ol pro-choicers. They want to be in charge of themselves, but they want other people to pay for their bad decisions.

First they got pregnant because of their own actions, then they want to take a human life because they cant own up to their responsibility.

then, they want the taxpayers to pay for the costs of their bad decisions.

Yup, those pro choicers are just such wonderful, shiny examples of great people.

6/17/2012 4:57:43 PM
tadzup says:
What an IGNORANT comment. You believe victims of rape should be forced to raise a child that was born through no fault of their own? Or are you a victim-blamer too?

Yeah, how terribly irresponsible. It is none of your business why someone needs to have a procedure done - whether it be having some cells scraped from their body, or having a hip replacement.
6/17/2012 10:02:22 PM
tadzup says:
Oh, and you want to talk about tax dollars? How about paying for the baby bonuses to those who have these unwanted kids? How about the welfare we will be paying for when mothers cant afford to live and support a child?

I'd rather my tax dollars go to save the life of a mother who may die during childbirth, to ease the pain and help restore the life of a rape victim, or to allow a person who made a mistake a second chance.
6/17/2012 10:08:11 PM
Sui Generis says:
This issue has 3 main points, as far as I'm concerned.

#1. You do not have the right to interfere in my medical choices unless I have the right to interfere in yours. When I walk in and stop your life saving bypass, don't be surprised.

#2. If you get into a car accident, don't you dare seek medical treatment. Car rides carry the risk of accidents. You knew that getting into the car. So, even if you use precautions (seatbelts), if the worst should happen, you forfeit your right to seek medical treatment because you were aware of the risk when you made the choice to get into that car.

#3. When every pro life advocate adopts one unwanted child (there are millions), then I will take them seriously.
6/18/2012 9:56:06 AM
troubleshooter says:
By this logic I could argue women who remain pregnant and those giving birth shouldn't have their medical care paid for by the public. Those women made a choice too. Who says it's necessarily always better to remain pregnant and give birth?
6/18/2012 10:54:09 AM
double-dion says:
I applaud the work of CCBR and wish them all the best as they continue across Canada. Protecting the lives of the precious children that are put to death all across this country is so important. I also thank the young women who had chocolate milk poured on them while working for this cause for not getting discouraged.
6/17/2012 5:37:10 PM
nfa16 says:
And what of protecting the precious minds of the children across the country???? This garbage is not the FACTS. And I'm not pro choice, or pro life. I'm KEEP MY OPINION AND BELIEFS TO MYSELF. I'm neutral. I'm not going to force a belief on anyone or try to WARP a small innocent mind by showing graphic images.
6/18/2012 9:52:41 AM
Sui Generis says:
"I'm KEEP MY OPINION AND BELIEFS TO MYSELF. I'm neutral."

Erm, that actually makes you pro-choice. That's the very definition OF pro-choice ... choosing for yourself and staying out of the choices of others. Being 'neutral'.

6/18/2012 10:50:47 AM
nfa16 says:
Actually, to me, being 'pro-choice' means that you fully support a woman's choice to have an abortion. I don't. Nor do I condemn a woman for having an abortion. It's too circumstantial and it's none of my business. One way or another, I don't support either side. I'm neutral. I don't, however, support people who protest their cause (whatever it may be) with horrific images to an inappropriate audience (ie. kids). It could have been pictures of abused women, animals, whatever. It's the fact that it was no better than cheap, shock value gore that you would see in a horror movie.
6/18/2012 9:26:25 PM
double-dion says:
"Jefford said most of those people she spoke to were disgusted with what was being shown and suspected that the group didn’t get the kind of response they were looking for"

Jefford is wrong is suspecting this. Disgust is the reaction that is desired when showing these images of abortion. These images should never be seen because abortion should not exist in the first place. I am very disgusted by the practice of abortion and the images that show its results.
6/17/2012 5:40:50 PM
anon says:
I am a pro-lifer as I feel we cannot draw a line as to when life starts and obviously do not condone murdering an innocent child.

When I heard some pro-life activists were coming to town, I was sort of excited to see people stand up for what they feel is right. But when I saw their aggressive tactics and conflict-inducing strategies, I got annoyed. This group was Greenpeace and PETA-esque, with motives that were hardly trying to stop abortion, but rather trying to get some interesting film and provoke people to anger.

Definitely did not help the cause. Too bad.
6/17/2012 5:45:13 PM
real talk says:
I was completely disgusting and offended when I saw this van driving around town yesterday.
6/17/2012 5:51:54 PM
advocate says:
I think that many Pro-Lifers have it backwards. I am not a Pro-Life person, but if I was, I would do things differently. These types of events only force people away. Also, and this may be for mostly Americans, but it seems that many who are Pro-Life are the ones who fight Sex Education in schools, complain about welfare, and so forth. if I was a Pro-Lifer, this is what I would do:

- Encourage sex education in schools.
- Push for people to use more birth control
- Improve assistance to low income parents (maybe not even financial, but give them some human resources to help them out)
- Improve the adoption system


All of these things will reduce abortion rates.
6/17/2012 6:59:55 PM
Dontlistentome says:
I don't really care what side of this argument you fall upon - the images are unwarranted and border on the illegal. Comparatively, the recent publishing of the notorious Montreal murder video on a gore website is being seriously viewed as criminal - this group should be considered in the same light. My children were faced with these graphic and gory images while playing at our local playground near a church they visited - as they illegally parked on city grass I might add. Our children had innumerable questions regarding the topic - sadly too many years early for total explanation. It was an unforeseen and unfortunate loss of innocence in many ways. The whole act is nothing more than blatant self-serving sensationalism. Using such a tactic is tactless and damaging to those who are not capable to comprehend all sides of the issue.
6/17/2012 7:02:30 PM
Annamas says:
Laurie ... I'm right there with you. We were down at the waterfront with a splash pad full of children under the age of 12. My kids were horrified, and had nightmares. Though most of their questions revolved around why someone would want to drive around in a truck and purposely try to scare children.

Abortion is a very personal decision. I'm not in their shoes, I have no right to dictate how they act. It's an issue that should be left between a woman, her partner (if relevant), and her doctor.

6/17/2012 7:08:04 PM
scorpio says:
I work in the Bay Algoma area and was horrified to see this. My customers were coming in with upset children, people were vey distraught. This demonstration didn't solve anything other than upset everyone whether they were anti abortion or pro choice. This whole demonstration was unacceptable and the people involved should be ashamed of themselves.
6/17/2012 7:32:30 PM
RealityCzech says:
This organization had no right to be disrupting businesses trying to operate in the Bay and Algoma business district. If you want to make a point, get a parade permit and march somewhere. But don't interfere with someone's right to conduct their business.
6/17/2012 9:24:07 PM
wayne says:
should victims of rape or incest not have a choice to choose abortion?
6/17/2012 9:47:15 PM
minstrel says:
i am not against choice, but if you are going to make that choice (or any choice for that matter), you should be able to look at the results of your actions. if you cannot look at it, perhaps it was not the correct choice. also, you do make a "choice" when you decide to have sex and risk pregnancy.
6/17/2012 10:14:42 PM
scorpio says:
I work in the Bay Algoma area and was horrified to see this. My customers were coming in with upset children, people were vey distraught. This demonstration didn't solve anything other than upset everyone whether they were anti abortion or pro choice. This whole demonstration was unacceptable and the people involved should be ashamed of themselves.
6/17/2012 10:24:40 PM
Batmann @ Shaw says:
This is all about rights and choices.

Why do we the public pay for these non-medically necessary procedures ?

If its your choice and in most cases you did not take choices to prevent pregnancy, then you pay for it.

I say this because Robin informs me that one women went to the Thunder Bay Hospital three times, the first two times to abort her unborn children because they were female.

Oh and Robin tells me that its not really a 'women's choice over her body', but a women's choice over another body within hers?

Fair is fair, your choice you pay for it.
6/17/2012 11:04:49 PM
nfa16 says:
Whoever Robin is, is out to lunch. It is not medically possible to determine the sex of a baby in the first trimester by ultrasound. So I don't know how this woman found out she was having females that early, but I DO know that abortions are NOT performed after the first trimester when the sex is distinguishable (around 15 weeks)Therefore, this woman clearly knew nothing about the sex of the aborted babies. Get informed before posting such rediculousness....or tell "Robin" to get informed before she feeds you such nonsense.
6/18/2012 9:30:11 AM
Ranma says:
And yet the trauma that the poor women have to go through to endure this process is of course of no issue. Having an abortion is not an easy choice. At least in Canada it is legal to do so, whether it is medical or other choices. Someone mentioned that 77% of all prochoicers are men. Why the hell should men make the decision on what a woman can and can not do with her body?

Would men be ok if women had power and that the tactics that the USA congresswomen are trying to use were passed? Imagine the fear on a man's face when he is told he has to have a sperm count down, and a prostate exam before he can get Viagra or any other ED medication. Why that would be an invasion of privacy of course!

Having an abortion is never an easy decision, but at least here in Canada women do not have to deal with the bastard protesters that are in the faces of poor American women who need them. Do we want these types of groups to move up here? Cause with Harper, they WILL.
6/17/2012 11:47:21 PM
connie says:
Listen-You are correct to be horrified at the image! That is a correct response. What you do with your indignation is important. These images need to be shown to abortion vulnerable women before they make their decision to have an abortion. This is basic for an informed decision. Not to show them these images and the ultrasound is medical malpractice. If our health care professionals were honest and providing an informed decision many of us wouldn't resort to abortion and we would have our children rather than the guilt and regret. The New Abortion Caravan is right on! This message has to get out somehow. If it is kept a secret in the privacy of the 'clinic' it has to get out on the streets. The Truth will prevail. Advocate for informed consent and an accurate definition of 'human being' in our courts. Let's grow up Canada, we must face the silent screams of the aborted babies, and the silenced torment of the aborted women, and we must End the Killing!
6/18/2012 7:31:17 AM
ohplease says:
Then show the images to "vulnerable young women!" Not my innocent 4 year old son who doesn't even know what an abortion is!! DISGUSTING!! This is a crude and NOT necessary. Where is your guilt and regret about disturbing the mind of a child who knows nothing about this? Thank you for exposing my innocent little boy to something he can't even comprehend. That was a really special moment we got to share this weekend - having to explain this garbage to him well before he was ready for it.
6/18/2012 9:45:49 AM
laurie says:
Its a womans choice what to do with their body..

Groups can get their point across without parading around town in huge trucks with images that scared children.

I got stuck behind one of those images and I was beyond horrified.

Whats next? billboards? driving around in semi trucks with 53 foot trailers splattered with the images..

I agree with more education.. Adoption is a good thing but you still need money to get through the pregnancy.
6/18/2012 7:38:26 AM
theonlyopinionthatmatters says:
These people are idiots and when / if you ever encounter morons like this the best thing is to just ignore them and do not give them the satisfaction of getting your attention.
6/18/2012 8:49:37 AM
concerned_citizen says:
I agree - the images were disgusting. I believe in pro-choice but do not push my views on others. I am also 8 months pregnant - and these images made me sick to my stomach. These tactics are disgusting and the face that they were parading around the city in areas with children - I can't imagine how parents felt when having to explain the images to their children. Pro-lifers can get their message across without using scare/guilt tactics. Also please consider that some women get pregnant in unfortunate circumstances beyond their control (raped/taken advantage of) and should not be forced to give birth to a child. That child also shouldn't be faced with bouncing from home to home in our over-crowded adoption system because their mother wasn't given a choice.
6/18/2012 8:54:52 AM
crazyforweed says:
Agreeeed 110%!
6/18/2012 9:50:10 AM
rugerbunny says:
It pains the normal person to see these images; Myself and many freinds and family who have thier child's heart stop beating inside them and required medical intervention to save the mothers life, I find the photos horrifying. Your ignorance to 1 in every 3 women, not to mention the fathers of these children (who also pained the loss of thier child (on fathers day weekend of all weekends)) for posting photos of what happens to thier baby when its taken from them is truely disgrasefull and shows ignorance for those who have LOST thier child. Seeing photos like these, just remind them of the pain that they endured. I Thank you, on behalf of all the parents of angels for turning our sunny weekend into a heartshattering one.
6/18/2012 9:29:34 AM
Tim H. says:
My, my, my. What a bunch of hypocrites.

Why dont everyone of you who was terrified by the pictures of reality jump all over the government for putting those same, terrifying pictures on cigarette packages?

In one case, its law that those images be shown, as consequences of your actions.

and in the case of 'pro choicers', youre crying about having to see pictures of the consequences of your actions (and support).

and if someone is worried about paying the welfare payments instead of abortion, then how about we dont pay more welfare for more kids? How about you get X/month, whether you have 1 kid, or 5 kids?

That way perhaps these people will learn to start making the proper decisions regarding the consequences of their actions. No more free ride for welfare moms.

That way we actually do something towards solving the problem instead of perpetuating it.

and as for rape pregnancies.. when charges are laid, then an abortion can occur, til then, no way!
6/18/2012 9:32:29 AM
SG says:
Tim, please tell us you are a foster parent and you've adopted. Please tell us you are actually Tina, not Tim. Tell you really know what you are talking about and put your money where your mouth is.

What are you doing to help the children who ARE here and suffering in horrible conditions?
6/18/2012 10:48:49 AM
tadzup says:
Ah, so you ARE a victim blamer. Good to know.

I don't smoke and cigarette packages are now blocked from the public eye in stores, so the public who don't engage in that activity are not forced to look at those images.

These arent the consequences of "my" actions. I have never been pregnant nor had an abortion. I simply support other women if they make the choice to remove a clump of cells from their body.

By the way, I could care less if someone showed ME those pictures (I think its disgusting to do on the street and assault the public's eyes) - it would not change my mind at all. Going to Catholic school, we had to watch an overly dramatic video (with untrue/exaggerated commentary) of an abortion and yet I am still pro-choice.
6/18/2012 11:31:39 AM
ComradeLeninHiawathaZwig says:
The Silent Scream? Yeah, I remember that one. Large amounts of that film were BS. Agreed 100% on all counts.
6/18/2012 4:47:05 PM
Sui Generis says:
Don't have a uterus? None of your business.
6/18/2012 6:41:38 PM
scorpio says:
I work in the Bay Algoma area and was horrified to see this. My customers were coming in with upset children, people were vey distraught. This demonstration didn't solve anything other than upset everyone whether they were anti abortion or pro choice. This whole demonstration was unacceptable and the people involved should be ashamed of themselves.
6/18/2012 9:37:38 AM
troubleshooter says:
The zygote or fetus in the early stages of development, when over 90% of abortions occur, has no sentience. This is not the same as killing a sentient human person. True, it's all technically, alive, as are sperm and egg, seperately, prior to concetion. However, again, human sentience hasn't yet developed. Men would be horrified by the prospect of women having control over the many possible chosen uses of men's reproductive organs. It's this rhetoric and hyperbole claiming it's a human person just like you or I, and abortions represent a holocaust, which inspires violence. Then killing a doctor can then be falsely justified as preventing mass murders of innocent children. Women can also be made to feel guilty just for controlling their own bodies and reproduction.
6/18/2012 10:31:40 AM
homelessteen says:
I have to ask what choice does the father get in all of this?
6/18/2012 12:35:19 PM
choice says:
So because I am against animal abuse, I think next weekend I will make some signs depicting beaten and abused pets, really graphic ones, and go stand on a street corner downtown to express my beliefs. I think it's fair.
6/18/2012 2:51:51 PM
dchipy says:
@Tim H you’re a goof there’s a big difference between cigarette packages and the images that were on display, let’s not shift the focus because you don’t have a really point to debate. Oh Tim H how about we make a scapegoat and blame people on Welfare for the entire worlds problem’s, and stick in some BS rape comment on the end as if that would make your nonpoint so it can satisfy your own silly moral belief system and feel high and mighty.

@homelessteen sorry to burst your bubble but there is no father until there is a child, even if you want to argue the point that at some point the unborn baby makes the male the father if a women doesn’t want to be a mother she will find one way or another to make sure it doesn’t happen. There really is no say for the “father” as you cannot control what another person does to themselves or their body.
6/18/2012 3:14:05 PM
homelessteen says:
No bubble bursted - so no apology is required but, thx just the same.
You belive what you want and i'll belive what I want. We can co-exist. I am sure the courts would not allow a "father"to deny he had a choice. Why does a mans resposibility begin at the point of conception and the mothers doesn't?

6/18/2012 6:34:06 PM
dchipy says:
From an ethical point of view saying abortions kill, means that at some point life existed and ended. Okay well if I died today then yes my life ended. I was born and I died nice and neat start and finish. Now if I was in a car accident and was alive only because I was hooked up to feeding tubes and breathing machine but had no brain function I would not be alive. Only my body would simply be existing. I don’t know how you can really see it any other way. If I am brain dead then I am never going to wake up and recover I am in fact dead. Now it isn’t until the 24/25th week when a fetus starts to show any brain function much less then when even late abortion occurs. If I don’t live without my brain then how can you say abortion kills, Kills what?

6/18/2012 3:15:30 PM
horrifiedmama says:
What a pleasant thing for my out of town relatives to see while visiting the Bay and Algoma area. Not to mention the two young children who were horrified as were we to see that truck driving around displaying those images.
6/18/2012 3:50:59 PM
anarnosti says:
the last 2 groups of pro-lifers that have been in the city have infuriated me... if you want to protest and spread your work whatever thats fine, its your right but do it with class. When you choose to line up all in a row across from McDonalds on Memorial with your signs and pictures facing the McDonald's play place I have a problem... go stand in front of your church, or your headquarters, or even at the hospital or clinics but there is no reason to be waving it in childrens faces... children can't see movies because of the ratings.... well I assure you those pictures were not rated E for everyone or F for family... they were rated R. I'n neither pro-life or pro-choice but at the end of the day women have the right to do what they please with their bodies... that wont change. I dont think abortions should be used as a form of birth control but I also dont think women should be forced to give birth to a child that was conceived by rape or incest.
6/18/2012 3:52:59 PM
scorpio says:
I think Tim H is just a misinformed human being. What these people did was in no way acceptable. Again whether you are anti abortion or pro choice it was wrong and it upset too many people and at the very worst the children who saw this. To do this on a day where families just wanted to enjoy a beautiful day was just wrong and unjustified. These people are ignorant. They care more about what they say are children as opposed to the actual walking and talking children who were walking by upset and crying. Again shame on every single one of you and to those who think there were right in doing so shame on you. I feel they were just a bunch of angry people who are miserable in their own lives that they wanted to make others miserable. Job well done and nothing was solved.
6/18/2012 4:10:44 PM
AWalkingCalamity says:
Although I am a strong supporter of freedom of speech I do not support those who drive around in vehicles covered in psychotic, hostile images representing pro-life. There are many ways to express your option in informative and bold ways; a vehicle plastered in dead fetuses makes me sickened by those who try to take away our freedom of choice. If you really care about life why don’t you fight for those who are alive, what about the millions of children around the world who have been abandoned? Our world needs to focus our efforts on betting the lives of the living; so that when someone becomes pregnant they are intelligent enough to not do so in a position where they would be capable of supporting a life. If we didn’t have abortions think how many more children would be given up and how would that effect society? Hello crime rate, increases in welfare costs/taxes, slum-lord decrepit housing. If someone choses to have an abortion I just thank God they can do so in a safe way.
6/18/2012 8:04:24 PM
AWalkingCalamity says:
Taking away any women’s rights is a disgrace. How about all men get a vasectomy & reverse it when they can support a child instead?
6/18/2012 8:10:32 PM
Eager Annie says:
Again I am astonished at some of these comments and thenaivety that they are based upon. Tax-payers $, that’s what you’reworried about? How about the $ we spend on lung cancer treatments for smokers,rehab programs for abusers of alcohol, illicit and prescription drugs? Do youthink that that is a more appropriate use of our $ at work? Would you ratherpeople go back to dumping unwanted babies in dumpsters (is that better) or performingtheir own abortions unhygienically without medical training? There is a lot wepay for that could ‘prevented’, but we live in a world of universalhealthcare (thank goodness). My mind goes again to those women who haveundergone D&C’s without having a “choice”, as well aschildren’s eyes, and wonder how these images have affected these people? Willyou now be paying for counseling for these folks? I think their message hasfallen on deaf ears and drawn a clearer line in the sand and turned alot offence-sitters off with abusive messaging such as this!
6/19/2012 12:10:36 PM
Eager Annie says:
Rugerbunny, I’m sorry to hear of your loss and those of your family/friends. These are exactly the types of losses that I reference in my other posts and am disgraced that these people have the free-spoken ability to cause so my pain and heartache to such a large proportion of our population. They shouldn’t have the ability to take things this far and victimizethose who didn’t have a choice, or anyone for that matter.
nfa16, I'm sorry to correct you, but it is infact possible (in some instances) to determine the gender of a baby within the first trimester, however I beleive they refrain from letting people know this information/or investigating this until later on to discourage gender selction.But isn't impossible necessarily.
I very much support a woman's right to choose and wish all women (includng those of us who had no control over their bodies) were given a choice. If you don't believe in it, don't do it, let others decide what's best for themselves and practice their own belief
6/19/2012 12:21:03 PM
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