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2012-06-17 at 15:47

Street makeover

By Jeff Labine, tbnewswatch.com
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The Waterfront District BIA is looking to expand the sidewalks on St. Paul Street to 15 feet in order to have outside patios available for customers.

Port Arthur BIA vice-chair Jim Comuzzi said they have been looking to expand the sidewalks for about two years now for businesses on the one-way street.

He said they will also be adding benches, trees and new street lights similar to the ones found in Waverly Park.

“What we want to do is bring a revitalizing to the downtown,” Comuzzi, who owns Rooster's Bistro on St. Paul, said. “The Dawson Street trail is being revitalizing from Red River Road down to Cumberland Street. So there’s a number of things that the downtown BIA is doing to improve the visibility and accessibility to our downtown core.”

In order to have the sidewalk extended, the parking along the street will be reduced from 31 spots including handicapped parking to 29. The majority of parking will be on one side of the road.

Comuzzi said they would be piggybacking on the construction of the street when the city rips up the road in order to replace the sewers.
”The sewer and water were in place last year however we asked for that to be postponed,” he said. “I don’t believe this will cost the taxpayers any more money than what it would have cost. The project I believe has gone out for tender.”

Comuzzi said despite losing two spots, in the end they will be revitalizing the downtown.

“We’re going to have a water station as well as hopefully an electrical station so we can close down the street and have fairs or farmers markets,” he said.

“They are telling us that having patios on sidewalks is allowed and we will be allowed to serve onto the street alcohol if we wish to. However, no one has given us a license to do that. We’re trying to work with the city to come up with a plan that will be beneficial for property owners.”

He added they would be only able to have the patios out for about five months out of the year.

Current River Coun. Andrew Foulds said anything that provides new opportunities for a better downtown experience was worthy of consideration.

“That’s just one more thing we can do to bring people downtown,” Foulds said. “I think it would be a wonderful evening to go downtown and be able to have a patio dinner, taken in a show and then walk down our pathways down to Prince Arthur’s Landing for an ice cream.”

The project is expected to being in August.

 

 

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tsb says:
Use bricks or cobble stones to pave the street instead of asphalt. It is more aesthetically pleasing, and based on Winnipeg's and Duluth's experiences, last much longer.
6/17/2012 4:30:14 PM
nwo says:
The Bay street area sounds like a good place to do this as well. Oops, its not the waterfront!
6/17/2012 4:39:37 PM
Janie says:
Actually, the Bay / Algoma area is already booked to be re-done this summer. I am a member at True North and they sent out the info last week.
6/18/2012 9:14:09 AM
tiredofit says:
two less parking spots for that wonderful events centre they're going to build!
6/17/2012 4:52:04 PM
moses says:
I like that idea. That street is a bit of a dump currently.
6/17/2012 4:59:14 PM
RealityCzech says:
This sounds like a great idea... provided the panhandlers can be kept at bay. It is hard enough avoiding them when you are walking, when you are sitting a table you make yourself an easier target.
6/17/2012 5:10:07 PM
anon says:
The Whiner Brigade will be out in full force saying this is purely self-motivated because Comuzzi owns an eatery on that street and he's looking to grab some city dollars; but to them I say "who cares?" That lane will look great cleaned up with outdoor patios, simply increasing the pedestrian market and beautifying our city.
As far as I can see, this is brilliant, and I fully support this project.
6/17/2012 5:35:07 PM
spinthebig4 says:
Awesome! I can't wait to have a beer with dinner outside down there! Improvements everywhere to the character of this town!
6/17/2012 5:41:38 PM
Tim H. says:
Wow, thats pretty good. Lets use tax dollars to turn a street into a patio for a particular whiny business.

Meanwhile, the city cant even sweep the streets in my neighbourhood.

Must be nice to be catered to? Perhaps we should close down all streets and parking spots and turn them into patios. It shouldnt cost anymore.
6/17/2012 5:56:06 PM
TBDR says:
Oh the irony... accusing a business of being whiny... then whining.
6/18/2012 3:38:05 AM
Tim H. says:
Theres no irony at all. In one case we're talking about SPECIAL treatment and SPECIAL development to suit one piss poor restaurant who wants to expand their operation using tax payer dollars instead of doing it the proper way and buying the neighbouring property and developing it as they require.

and on the other hand we're talking about a city whose infrastructure failed to the tine of hundreds of millions of dollars in damages. We're talking about the misuse of tax dollars to suit SPECIAL WHINY restaurant owners versus the neglect of infrastructure and civic duties that this city is REQUIRED to perform.

Theres no irony here, just more stupidity from city officials who steal tax dollars to give to pet and whiny causes. Just like this one.

I guess the real irony is how stupid this city actually is. 2 weeks ago they were in a state of emergency because of negligence, and today they're wasting money they dont have on more stupidity.
6/18/2012 9:39:14 AM
ring of fire dude says:
Your kidding me right ? WE the taxpayers have to foot the bill for this patio nonsense on one of the more seedier streets in that area . What was wrong with the new building at the Marina that the city was looking for expressions of interest ?? You want it , pay for it yourself !!
6/17/2012 6:04:38 PM
panzerIV says:
We the tax payer (which includes all the business along this road) are already repaving this road so if this helps business become more successful then go ahead.

"You want it, pay for it yourself" I'm pretty sure they have by their (street wise) property taxes alone.

Why is everything a fight in Thunder Bay
6/17/2012 11:38:15 PM
Tim H. says:
Heres a great example of irony tdrb.

"..if this helps business become more successful then go ahead."

Successful businesses dont need help to be successful. If they cant stand on their own 2 feet, they are not successful. They dont require government and tax dollars to be successful, in fact successful businesses realize that any government interference just ensures lack of success.

Thats pure, idiotic irony for you right there. That comment was so profoundly stupid it should go into some sort of records book.

6/18/2012 9:51:13 AM
panzerIV says:
I didn't say to become successful because they already where on their own behalf I said MORE successful.

So if you believe that successful businesses don't require government or tax dollars then you must be under the belief that providing tax cuts to big business is also a waste.

There are a number of businesses who have taken advantage of government money as a capital to start up and then paid it back and more. Thunder Bay Regional Research Institute for an example (close to 500 jobs) or Tornado Medical (hiring more workers)

Your right a business needs to be successful on its own merits (profitability, sustainability, and the ability to control costs) but the city needs to create a climate that is welcoming for businesses to grow and sustain themselves. If not they will go elsewhere or not start up at all.

1 more thing. You mad brah?
6/18/2012 2:26:51 PM
jonthunder says:
If you want to clean-up and make the area attractive, cut out all the parking on at least one side of the street, and allow no more massage parlors etc....and it could then tie-in to the waterfront concept; otherwise, this is a joke
6/17/2012 6:24:49 PM
unknowncronic says:
As glad I am to hear about this, I hope it is a better attempt then what happened on Simpson Street years ago...
6/17/2012 7:10:55 PM
glock9 says:
Yup bigger sidewalks and patios so ppl can look across the street at a brick wall, great idea.
6/17/2012 7:52:27 PM
sbn says:
duh?!
6/17/2012 8:43:06 PM
get_the_chip_off_your_shoulder says:
I think this is an excellent plan as I thought of this very idea years ago myself. Now with the new waterfront which will soon have the level crosswalk from the foot of red river road into the marina, it is now time to start to plan and rebuild downtown streets. I do think they should turn the first few blocks of red river road, st paul street and all the streets around the casino and old eaton's building into cobble stone streets with european style lamp posts. i also think more businesses should look at making walls along the sidewalk into sliding glass walls so they can open up as an open air patio section to dine in and enjoy the open air and make their place of dining and drinking more tempting. Such as places you see in downtown toronto. In summer these places could have their front wide open during business hours so patrons can feel like they are dining or drinking and can see someone they know walk by and call out to them to come in and join them. Temps the tourists more.
6/17/2012 9:53:19 PM
david H says:
yes, there are not many opportunities to dine outside, its a potentially great idea. downtown PA has some great eateries popping up in the last couple years, lets build on that success!
6/17/2012 10:08:15 PM
wayne says:
RealityCzech, the City prefers the term buskers over panhandlers. Buskers sound more like entertainers than beggars...lol
6/17/2012 10:11:12 PM
wayne says:
tsb, I agree about the bricks and cobblestones. However, several months ago some local citizens who use wheel chairs voiced their concerns about the 'rough' ride over such surfaces.
6/17/2012 10:18:59 PM
crazyforweed says:
They just need heavier duty tires ! then they'll be good to go !!
6/18/2012 9:39:32 AM
Vanity says:
BIA vice-chair Jim Comuzzi owner of Rooster's Bistro on St. Paul want the city to widen the sidewalk so he can have a patio under the guise of having fairs and farmers markets. Just a ploy by Mr Comuzzi to expand his business via tax payers money. Be honest and see it for what it is.
6/17/2012 11:22:13 PM
Ranma says:
As long as this does not go the way of the FAILED Simpson Street revitalization, I am all for it. There are still too many drug users in the area though. Look in the cracks of the buildings and you will see the needles that they have hidden after use. Clean out the trash first before you clean up the street.
6/17/2012 11:49:57 PM
ThunderBayFullOfCrime says:
Wow, I cant believe this is even being considered when the sewage plant is broken. How much money is all this going to cost us? I'm all for fixing up the city but some things should come first like the sewage plant & pipes under the city, fixing the streets, getting some of this crime taken care of, building some long term care facilities for our aging population who have nowhere to go, more parking and beds at the hospital etc etc.
Making a cobblestone street with tables is a great thing but not so wonderful when you got people with mouthwash on their breath, slurring at you to give em money or cigarettes.

Again, the city is NOT listening to the public and is spending money foolishly on the waterfront area.

If we have a surplus of cash, go ahead and do some beautification, but sadly we don't and the city already went way over budget on this project as is.

These people need to give their head a shake and wake up to real issues.
6/18/2012 12:54:44 AM
ThunderBayFullOfCrime says:
I don't believe that this won't cost us more in the long run. They are full of it. Just like with the marina project, they will say whatever they want to the public and then after they rip stuff apart, they will say, oops, we went over budget again.

I have no faith in what we are told anymore. Don't get me wrong, I want the city to look pretty but there are more important things to worry about at this point in time.
6/18/2012 1:04:06 AM
unknowncronic says:
Just think that once the new courthouse is built, most of the rifraf there will be relocating too...

Seems the marina area is gonna be filled with a colorful bunch of folk picking up cig butts on the new patio grounds/marina of PA.
6/18/2012 5:44:38 AM
The Badger Mountain Hermit says:
It worked for Simpson's Street, didn't it?
6/18/2012 6:32:00 AM
or$en says:
gotta clean up cook street at the same time or its for naught
6/18/2012 6:56:57 AM
ibrando says:
Then there will be enough room for pedestrians, prostitutes and druggies!
6/18/2012 7:03:38 AM
Joey Joe Joe Jr. Shabadoo says:
City Halls' evil plot thickens as they reduce PARKING SPOTS all around that area so descretly, while deep down they know the "SUPER MARINA ARENA" will end up there making parking impossible for the masses.

Bu wha ha ha...
6/18/2012 7:07:04 AM
youngintbay says:
Great idea. This city needs some patios at some resturants. I`m all for it.
6/18/2012 7:30:32 AM
Slyder says:
In other Cities I have travelled to, areas like this are amazing! They should completely shut the cars out of this block as well. I will definatly be spending a few summer nights on St. Paul when this is complete enjoying some nice weather and a few pints.
6/18/2012 9:06:18 AM
Tim H. says:
So, a patio will be in use for how many nights a year?

and the tax payers of the whole city are supposed to pay for this?

Im not sure if this still applies but isnt/wasnt it illegal to drink beer/alcohol in public? Thats why the Brew Pub and whatever had to put up those screens to obscure the view?
6/18/2012 9:43:11 AM
Slyder says:
The road has to be rebuilt anyways... it's basically just widening the sidewalk area while they are doing it. I really don't see where the huge costs involved is.... just a few more yards of concrete rather then extra pavement on a one way street that isn't used. Stay at home and enjoy a few brews in your basement, I'll enjoy mine downtown, outside on St. Paul.
6/18/2012 10:49:21 AM
rootbear says:
"He added they would be only able to have the patios out for about five months out of the year."
At best with no sun and the wind off the lake? Patio's don't fair so well in this neck of the woods.

6/18/2012 10:30:04 AM
keiths31 says:
Agreed! How many restaurants do we currently have that utilize a patio? And of those, how many are actually busy?
6/18/2012 4:27:02 PM
fiorn says:
I work in this area and would love to see this happen. Look up Stevens Ave in Calgary, it is always the nicest spot to visit downtown as it's lined with shops, restaurants and coffee spots and you don't have to worry about traffic running your children over. Like an outdoor mall.
Roosters also is not the only restaurant on this stretch, Lumberjacks is currently there and I'm sure it wouldn't take long for the old RBC building and others to fill up with new tenants.
Also agree that some type of pavers or cobblestones should be used to enhance the character.
Sidenote:* I love the comments about how much this is going to cost when it's detailed in the article.
I guess it must be pretty annoying to always have to scroll past all that writing on this website to get to the comment form, eh?
6/18/2012 10:44:22 AM
Zafire_85 says:
I think honestly this city should focus on fixing the streets. I have driven around this city lots and wow do these streets suck. Roland street is horrible. Black Bay Rd is full of pot holes. Leslie ave has maybe a tiny amount paved and then they didn't do the rest, It's bumpy as hell. Cumberland st.. Oh i could go on and on. How about the city focuses on things that are a must as apposed to Wants. Pathetic
6/18/2012 11:18:44 AM
unknowncronic says:
I will definatly be spending a few summer nights on St. Paul when this is complete enjoying some nice weather and a few joints.
6/18/2012 11:52:46 AM
Chaos says:
Why don't they drop money from the sky every hour so people will visit downtown and enjoy the experience?

Why doesn't the city build a patio for every bar and restaurant in town? No just port arthur...real genius , back to drawing board.
6/18/2012 1:51:00 PM
DougMyers says:
No one is building them a patio.

Do you people even read the articles or just the title and then race down to the comments?

The street is being ripped up anyway to redo sewer and water lines. All they are doing is extending the sidewalk and narrowing the street.

This work had to be done anyway, they are just changeing how they do it.

Damned if you do damned if you don't.

It just does not seem to matter what the city tries to do people come out to line up at the complaint window.
6/18/2012 2:23:08 PM
Winger says:
If they want to be able to have tables on the sidewalk tell them to buy that property from the city for fair market value. If nobody else on the street wants to pay for their share, then make the interested party purchase the whole extra 12 feet or whatever they are requesting.

Then, and only then can the business develop the additional space to suit their needs.

Thats the way its done in the real world. If they cant do business in it, then too bad for them.

Chaos is right, where's the limit to this catering and special treatment? Im getting tired of this city giving away special moneys, or consideration for some, and crapping on all the others.

fair is fair, and the only way to achieve that is for the city to step out of situations they have no legitimate business being involved in.
6/18/2012 8:52:43 PM
fiorn says:
I work in this area and would love to see this happen. Look up Stevens Ave in Calgary, it is always the nicest spot to visit downtown as it's lined with shops, restaurants and coffee spots and you don't have to worry about traffic running your children over. Like an outdoor mall.
Roosters also is not the only restaurant on this stretch, Lumberjacks is currently there and I'm sure it wouldn't take long for the old RBC building and others to fill up with new tenants.
Also agree that some type of pavers or cobblestones should be used to enhance the character.
Sidenote:* I love the comments about how much this is going to cost when it's detailed in the article.
I guess it must be pretty annoying to always have to scroll past all that writing on this website to get to the comment form, eh?
6/18/2012 2:20:03 PM
bill clinton says:
i say if it brings pretty ladies in pretty skirts im all in
6/18/2012 3:32:52 PM
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