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2012-06-25 at 10:12

$500-million suit

By Leith Dunick, tbnewswatch.com
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A local law firm says it will either proceed with a flood-related class-action lawsuit against City of Thunder Bay, or after a 60-day notification period, include the Ministry of the Environment and up the suit to $500 million.

Lawyer Sandy Zaitzeff added Monday they may not be done, indicating they may add another agency which operates under the auspices of the MOE to the suit, which has yet to be certified in court.

Zaitzeff, a lawyer in the Watkins Law Professional Corporation, said with the notice of intent filed against the province, they've officially put the MOE on notice.

"We will be seeking compensatory damages from the ministry for all of the allegations contained in our issued statement of claim and the specific allegations agains the Ministry of the Environment are simply that ... they are the regulator, they are the government. They have full authority to make regulations, to police the city, to inspect the city, to make sure the city is following the environmental legislation that the province has already put out. That's the job of the regulator," Zaitzeff said.

The $500-million tab is quite generous, he added.

The Ministry of the Environment has unlimited resource and is backed by the province, he said. Zaitzeff estimated between 3,000 and 4,000 homes that were affected by the May 28 flood, with an average sewer claim of $50,000. He said most affected homeowners, with sewage and water soaking into the foundations, are likely facing complete basement replacement. Based on discussions with two contractors and two engineers, that will cost between $80,000 and $120,000 per home.

"That puts the damages at $1.5 billion. So to ask the province for $500 million to make this city whole is very conservative," Zaitzeff said.

He added they are looking into whether or not the federal government should be included in the lawsuit.

"We may go against the feds, but we're only researching the feds. There's another agency, whose title and name I'm not going to disclose today. But the MOE is responsible as the watchdog of that agency as well. The MOE is really the policeman on the beat. They failed to enforce what they knew they had to have out there. They failed to tell the city to clean the ditches, add ditches, look after your overall drainage plan, check the low-lying areas, bring it up to date, bring it up to the year 2012 and let's get going," he said.

Contacted Monday afternoon by Thunder Bay Television, an MOE spokesperson had no comment.

Watkins, who will announce the details of the suit at a 4 p.m. news conference in Thunder Bay, said the province knew about global warming ahead of the May 28 flood that devastated parts of the city, but did nothing to combat the problem.

"(Sandy) Zaitzeff, our lead counsel on the present issued class action against the City of Thunder Bay, has informed me of the intention to place the Ontario Ministry of the Environment on legal notice forthwith for its negligence in failing to properly protect the health and property of the residents of this community.

"The MOE is the regulator, the watch dog, the policemen and they failed to watch and police Thunder Bay."

According to Zaitzeff, the MOE did not check the plant or put enforceable guidelines in place.

"How could they let the city run with an 8-4:30 shift and how could they let the city do things like that, in the full face of a storm tracking its way north that blasted our city. How could they do that? Where was the watchdog? Where was the policemen?"
Watkins and Zaitzeff have already filed a $300-million class-action lawsuit against the City of Thunder Bay, accusing the municipality of negligence in its role in not preventing the sewage treatment plant failure that caused raw sewage to back up into basements of several hundred homes.

In explaining the need for a second suit, lawyer Chris Watkins said the alleged negligence by the MOE occurred before, during and after the recent flooding, stating the government has been aware for an extensive period of time of changing weather patterns due to global warming.

"They were aware that these changes could result in storms of this type. They had knowledge that such events would become more frequent and pronounced.  They were aware of the impact of these changes especially upon infrastructure such as sewage systems and sewage treatment plants including the ones in Thunder Bay," Watkins writes.

"Even with this clear foreseeability and numerous reports confirming this awareness, they did little or nothing to prepare Thunder Bay and its citizens for the onslaught they knew or ought to have known was coming."

Public meetings on both class-action lawsuits are scheduled for later this week. Interested parties can express interest on www.watkinslawforthepeople.com.

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tbaycommenter says:
...give me a break! You guys are sure building yourselves a reputation...maybe not a good reputation, but a reputation nonetheless.
6/25/2012 10:17:59 AM
cachinnate says:
WTF. These guys have just shredded what little remained of their credibility, in my opinion.
Can't wait to see the details on this one.
6/25/2012 10:18:33 AM
RealityCzech says:
These guys had credibility before? Really? I must have missed that.
This is reminiscent of Jim THE HAMMER Shapiro.
"I maybe a S.O.B. but I'm YOUR S.O.B."

LOL
6/25/2012 10:32:01 AM
keiths31 says:
OH my God!!! Seriously? Now they are suing the province over global warming? How did this guy get called to the bar?

Attention everyone who has signed up for the class action lawsuit against the city: This is the guy you are placing your bets on??? *sigh*
6/25/2012 10:23:20 AM
former says:
Sue him back. His vehicle exhaust was part of the cause of global warming.
6/25/2012 11:37:19 PM
stuck? says:
This comment made my brain tickle with hilarity. It's so true, you don't need to sit in your car with it ON for 30-40 minutes smoking.
6/26/2012 10:53:26 AM
Sui Generis says:
I see out of context quotes and misrepresentation will be the media's coverage of anything regarding the lawsuit. Good to know ahead of time.

The class action lawsuit against the city is not about 'preventing the flood', but about preventing the failure of the sewage plant. Two very different things.
6/25/2012 10:23:38 AM
Glyder says:
"Watkins and fellow lawyer Sandy Zaitzeff have already filed a $300-million class-action lawsuit against the City of Thunder Bay, accusing the municipality of negligence in its role in not preventing the sewage treatment plant failure that caused raw sewage to back up into basements of several hundred homes."

What's the argument? Seems pretty spot on about the first lawsuit, not one word about preventing the flood.

Glad to see your still a supporter of the lawsuit, and seemingly this new one. Do YOU have dollar signs, dancing in your eyes too?

I don't know how you can even think that $300 mil is even a responsible number. $50 mil, yeah thats more believable, but $300 is just a pure money grab, and anyone who is in on this lawsuit is blinded by $$$$$$$$$
6/25/2012 11:19:23 AM
Me n My Opinion says:
Let's pretend (really pretend) he is successful against the province. In doing so, he'd be weakening his case against the city.

Much of the city's infrastucture that couldn't handle the rains were built long before global warming was ever even heard of. So following that line of thinking, if he is successful in his suit against the province, then wouldn't the city be able to use that exact same argument against the claim he has made against the city. The city can say it's global warming's fault, and weather patterns changing that caused the unprecedented rain, which in turn caused the situation at the sewage plant. If it wasn't for global warming, the Thunder Bay disaster would have been averted.

His two law suits are essentially arguing against one another. For those of you who signed on, think about the guys you have representing you.
6/25/2012 11:32:10 AM
crazylady says:
Call me crazy but are you for real. Let's sue the government for global warming!!!!! If I ever need a lawyer it won't be either Watkins or Zaitzeff. $800. million combined lawsuit, who will make the money from this (them) and what will this cost us?
6/25/2012 10:25:57 AM
ringettemom says:
I notice a whole big bunch of people are commenting in regards to this lawsuit being about "suing the government for the weather/globalwarming etc"...
Have you actually read the article?
It's not about that at all.

I'm actually curious as to how this will turn out.
I believe environmental groups and other municipalities will be watching this as well.
Will be interesting to see the outcome.

It's about holding government bodies to collect taxes and assume responsibilities in the name of collecting those taxes accountable for the jobs they say they are doing.

Not about the weather.
6/25/2012 9:55:28 PM
Steven says:
LOL Whatever tiny shred of credibility these clowns had left is now gone. When you sue someone, you need to PROVE DAMAGES AND FAULT. First, can you blame the damage to Thunder Bay on global warming? Thats a tough one to follow, even with a good imagination. Even if you someone assume that the rains were caused 100% by global warming, can you also blame global warming for the fact that the pumps were put in flood vulnerable area? Because THAT is what led to much of the flooding and damage.

Even if you somehow decide that it is all global warnings fault, what percentage of global warming is to be blamed on the province? Our province probably accounts for less than 1/10th of 1% of worldwide carbon emissions. How many of those emissions are acceptable and how many are "TOO MUCH" and are causing the global warming?

Finally, in terms of damages, since the combined value of every lost in the storm is nowhere near even $150 million, where do they get $500 m from? Stupidity.
6/25/2012 10:30:10 AM
Sui Generis says:
Don't get the two lawsuits confused, please. Only one has to do with Thunder Bay. Watkins lawsuit against the province is a separate issue altogether.
6/25/2012 10:43:32 AM
DougMyers says:
Come on now?!?!

All this guy sees are dollar signs everywhere he looks.

I question how you are going to make this work seeing as scientists do not all agree that global warming (as a result of human activity) is actually occuring.

Why not just throw out a blanket suit against everyone for $100 billion for all errors in judgement both actual and assumed in the past and for possible future infractions.

What are you, Dr. Evil?
6/25/2012 10:30:56 AM
stuck? says:
I can't think of anything more intelligent to say than this....

lol.

and now I have lost the little faith I had left.
6/25/2012 10:35:29 AM
stuck? says:
Will I be allowed to sue because the government KNEW that people will lose their jobs, houses, all valuables because they gambled their life savings away at the OLG casino?

After all, it's a HUGE trend that we see there too.
6/25/2012 10:36:52 AM
barry medawin says:
You can't ignore global warming. Every time you light a cigarette or race from one set of lights to the other in your over-sized truck, you add another straw onto the camel's back. The lawman is just waking us up to the reality that we created.
6/25/2012 10:42:52 AM
sadiegirl says:
Well Watkins and Zaitzeff - you were also aware of global warming before the flood occurred, and I didn't see you doing anything to 'combat the problem'. Does this mean I can sue you too?
6/25/2012 10:44:27 AM
deluxecustom says:
If Mr Watkins and his band of misfits receive one Canadian dollar from this flood,it will be another nail in the coffin of any barrister ever called to the bar. Lawyers have forever made money off of the misfortunes and hardships of hardworking and mostly honest people. "Global warming"?Mr Watkins, you and your hired hands best start working on your next class action for the asteroid that will eventually hit the Earth.I surely hope that there are lawyers out there who are shaking their head everytime Watkins face appears on the front of the news as their own credibility crumbles into the ocean.It is just not that easy to singlehandedly discredit a bunch of ambulance chasers.Leave it to Watkins though.
6/25/2012 10:47:13 AM
Joey Joe Joe Jr. Shabadoo says:
...and god said there would be sewer back-up...
.....................and there was..........
6/25/2012 10:47:34 AM
brandnewlow says:
really? is this for real? what a joke.. what next sue the Canadian Government?
6/25/2012 10:51:57 AM
deerhunting101 says:
Hey I got a sunburn the other day can I now file a lawsuit against all the past generations, the province the feds, china the united states and every other country for depreciating the Ozone layer? I'll call you guys later. Cha ching $$$$ Seriously that's how ridiculous these guys are.
6/25/2012 10:52:38 AM
Joey Joe Joe Jr. Shabadoo says:
I can see it now in the history books of lol's:



















Watkins vs Nature




















-----------------------------------------------
6/25/2012 10:56:57 AM
TheFloyd says:
I don't even know where to begin with this one...

The definition of a frivolous lawsuit. Watkins, you realize the precedent that this would set? You'd bankrupt the entire world. Terrible, dude.
6/25/2012 11:00:37 AM
tree says:
Well!!, im gonna sue the WORLD!!! what do you think of that ??
6/25/2012 11:02:53 AM
Canadalynx says:
Global warming caused the flood?!?!? You're joking right?!? This is a testament to how even lawyers can be poor critical thinkers.

Wadkins and Zaitzeff! If you really care about the citizens of Thunder Bay - truly care about the losses they have experienced - are deeply moved by the hardships they have endured....make an official announcement that you plan to fight this law suit for....FREE! Yes - just like the many citizens who have helped their fellow neighbours out in response to the flood, and have refused to accept anything in return, let's see both of you devote the same time, energy, and effort - embrace the same level of integrity, empathy, and virtue towards your fellow countrymen and countrywomen that all of Thunder Bay has shown - and likewise - not ask for anything in return.
6/25/2012 11:03:51 AM
LeSigh says:
This.
Tbnewswatch.com

6/25/2012 11:17:47 AM
brandnewlow says:
or live in this city anymore...
6/25/2012 11:23:29 AM
stuck? says:
Planet.. city.. same difference. The people are still generally the same :)

/endlife
6/25/2012 11:55:47 AM
alarmforce says:
These guys must be preparing/ investing for their retirement, at our expense.
"Global Warming" what a bunch of bunk!!! The climates have been changing since the beginning of time, this is just the most recent version.
6/25/2012 11:38:04 AM
tree says:
How come these "sheep" who are suing dont realize that they are suing themselves also?? these people are brainwashed and is it too early to say "cult"???
6/25/2012 11:41:22 AM
joer says:
Think about this...hypothetically....
if im driving on the highway, and my tire flies off, i didnt know this was going to happen. My tire causes a 6 car pile up.....I am to blame, regardless of whether or not black ice was to blame, or rust.

Now, if i run a building that charges individuals to use my services, and a problem happens, whether or not i know a problem exists, and it causes damage to all those people that are paying me to use my services, aren't i still liable?

I am shocked about the MOE lawsuit, but suits need to be. It is important that people are held accountable for their work, or lack of maintenaince.

I was warned for a week about the flooding, yet noone was on staff? That is negligent in anyones eyes. Do you not remember the front pages of our newspapers in the week leading up to the flood warning us?
6/25/2012 5:47:06 PM
spooner19 says:
Lets see scientists can't agree on global warming but a law firm knows global warming caused a flood? Is Watkins American?
6/25/2012 11:48:02 AM
stuck? says:
^^^ says it all right there. Thanks spooner
6/25/2012 12:07:17 PM
tree says:
I guess Mr W has alot of little people to worry about out htere
6/25/2012 12:07:27 PM
panzerIV says:
If he is suing Ontario for 500 million then I can't wait to see what he sues the US, oil sands, China, India and more for.

What a waste of government resources and our tax dollar. Will someone please revoke his license; its people like him that ruined lawyer profession.
6/25/2012 12:33:14 PM
humnchuck says:
Good luck on using "global warming" as evidence. Nice opening salvo, Chris. Hope you've read more than "An Inconvenient Truth" and saw dollar signs and an opportunity to cash in. As a taxpayer locally, I find it repulsive that you'd think the city, which in effect will be the taxpayers of the city, should pay you millions of dollars. My taxes are nearly $4k/yr as it is.

6/25/2012 12:38:14 PM
tooey2012 says:
You can all laugh if you want, but it's government accountability that these guys may achieve, even if it's via a slightly self-serving pathway. At least they may bring about some desperately overdue change by letting government know that they cannot continue to make bad decisions and neglect their responsibilities with arrogant impunity. It's not the specifics that matter here, it's the fact that government, at all levels, has been collecting HUGE amounts of money in taxes at the gas pump, income, property, harmonized sales tax, etc., yet our roads, sewers, schools, hospitals are all in a crisis state.

It is the Canadian people who are made a laughing stock for not saying enough is enough a long time ago. Legal action may not be pretty, but this needs to be done to make our government, at all levels, accountable and responsible about how they spend our money. If you want to talk about $$$, look at the air ambulance scandal. That's how your taxes are be spent now! I say good on them!
6/25/2012 12:41:23 PM
jimmyboy says:
All I can say is that I have never heard of a more frivolous lawsuit...with no merit what so ever...Watkins and company look like complete fools in actually filing this with the court system.!

No judge in his or her right mind will even allow this to proceed to trial...they should be thrown out of the court room the minute they step foot into the building.
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6/25/2012 12:43:45 PM
nads74 says:
I'm assuming he didn't know how to get a hold of mother natures lawyer so this was his second best bet?!?!?!?

PLEASE tell me a judge will/can just through this out of court!?!?!?!

6/25/2012 12:47:37 PM
TLJWITT says:
We can only hope that once these two lawyers lose these frivolous suits, that the City of Thunder Bay, it's insurer's and the Province seek damages from them personally, their firm and it's insurers...to stop this ridiculous ambulance chasing. I would be embarrased to retain either of these two lawyers for even a parking ticket at this point.
6/25/2012 12:53:34 PM
Daxxis says:
Were we flooded? Or did we have an equipment failure that caused sewage backup? I don't remember water running the streets like the folks in Duluth. Memory is faulty though...
6/25/2012 12:58:06 PM
TwoCents says:
Will Watkins help me file suit against the MTO because they didn't prevent the TransCanada highway from washing out in several places??? (Sarcasm, for those who can't tell....)
6/25/2012 1:12:47 PM
whodo says:
Min. of the Environment ignoring numerous complaints, I've heard this before.
Be listening to the 4:00 news release.
...The 2008 Flood was referred to as the'50 year flood'. 2012 is now the '100 YEAR FLOOD'!!!
Cut backs in all the wrong places. Public dollars misspent over and over again.
6/25/2012 1:25:43 PM
Ed itw says:
Can we sue the Law Society for allowing these quacks to practice.
6/25/2012 1:34:25 PM
jubjub says:
I've been laughing for the last hour since I read this article. Thanks Watkins, I think we all needed a bit of cheering up, just don't wait too long before telling people it is a joke.
6/25/2012 1:36:58 PM
jubjub says:
Seriously, I still haven't stopped laughing. I don't know whether to call my doctor or my lawyer.
6/25/2012 3:53:10 PM
p.o.ed taxpayer says:
Starting to sound like an attention/publicity gimmick more than anything!!! Wonder who he signed up for this lawsuit...Someone needs to sue this firm for all the B.S. they are dumping in the atmosphere...
6/25/2012 1:50:44 PM
Tom Sanderson says:
Hurry and get to Schreiber Dumb 'n' Dumber. The town's people have to boil water, extra hydro use at prime time..devastating their way of live and traumatizing them. Hurry, hurry...you better walk though, you don't want to contribute to the Global Warming that science can't agree to.
6/25/2012 2:14:23 PM
brandnewlow says:
the provincial government is probably laughing at him right now.
6/25/2012 2:18:56 PM
molly says:
Geez wasn't there a biblical warning of a flood but the Government of the day failed to take action
Maybe Watkins et el may want to sue eveyone but Noah.

Last reading of a class action lawsuit against a municipality over a flood took almost 4 years to be certified and 10 years to settle .
The out of court settlement resulted in an agrrement of only 3% of the original claim
That was the gross amount before the lawyers fee
The plaintiffs getting next to nothing after 10 years.
6/25/2012 2:22:00 PM
Reignmaker says:
I spilled my coffee all over myself from laughing so hard. Which law firm can I goto to sue Watkins for the laughing and the government for not taking the proper precautions to cool my coffee off before this happened?
6/25/2012 2:25:19 PM
tree says:
This city is a laughing stock of the country, thanks MrW and your SHEEPS
6/25/2012 2:36:13 PM
Sui Generis says:
Whether a person agrees with Watkins decision regarding this particular lawsuit or not (and I don't), your ignorant posts regarding the flood victims are only displaying what a hateful, single minded person you really are.

And, for the record, sheep IS plural.
6/25/2012 3:42:02 PM
tex_mex-fry says:
HA
6/25/2012 2:43:39 PM
big joe mufferaw says:
If we're going to do that, let's go after the federal government first!
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6/25/2012 3:15:03 PM
TB4life says:
Im all for the people getting help but this is a joke. you sue the city for piles of money when there not the ones who wounldnt give you coverage for flooding sounds like a smart well thought out plan. plus this is turning parts of the public against the flood affeceted sit in a timmies and listen to what people say you'll be surprized how hated their actions are not good for future fundrasiers.
6/25/2012 3:22:52 PM
theonlyopinionthatmatters says:
If that's their reasoning then they should be suing Oil companies to.
6/25/2012 4:19:33 PM
Tbaylifer says:
I believe the majority of the comments made opposed to this law suit are the same ones who would not want the city to investigate the cause of the flooding but rather use an independed firm. My belief is what if their right? Would we find the truth without a law suit? I'm not part of the suit but can't wait to find out what happens. even if it does take 10 years.
6/25/2012 5:28:51 PM
molly says:
Geez wasn't there a biblical warning of a flood but the Government of the day failed to take action
Maybe Watkins et el may want to sue eveyone but Noah.

Last reading of a class action lawsuit against a municipality over a flood took almost 4 years to be certified and 10 years to settle .
The out of court settlement resulted in an agrrement of only 3% of the original claim
That was the gross amount before the lawyers fee
The plaintiffs getting next to nothing after 10 years.
6/25/2012 6:05:05 PM
sky high says:
Is it just my imagination or is Chris Watkins looking more and more like an old woman every week
6/25/2012 6:40:25 PM
jb says:
What does that even mean?
6/26/2012 3:37:28 PM
mysha says:
Shall I laugh and face palm at the same time..sheesh!
6/25/2012 6:45:28 PM
dchipy says:
By this logic I can sue Watkins for bringing Thunder Bay's combined IQ down 20 points as for us all reading this news article and all being dumber for it.
6/25/2012 7:40:31 PM
wayne says:
Watkins, I thought you were greedy with the $320M class-action suit against the City for causing the sewage plant to failure (cause of failure not yet determined). And now you go beyond greed with the $500M class-action suit against the Province for not preparing for global warming which led to flooding and failure of the sewage plant. Sounds contradictory to me. And global warming being the result of human activities is not proven.

What's next? A $1B class-action suit against the Feds for dropping Canada out of the Kyoto Protocol?
6/25/2012 8:16:33 PM
ringettemom says:
So, who built the sewage treatment plant on a flood plain?

Perhaps it's not about greed, but turning heads.

Pretty accusatory statements you're making there, "wayne".
6/25/2012 9:58:47 PM
TWM says:
The $90 million that was called into question over Attawapiskat is a mere pittance compared to this. Have they ever gotten to the bottom of that? or has the government remaining silent because there wasn't the mismanagement they thought was happening or more to the point, they got the general population against those living there and the embarrassment the Government felt over the UN being sent a letter? Anyway, The lawyers are most likely looking for an out of court settlement asking for this amount.
6/25/2012 8:52:42 PM
TWM says:
"I want $100 Billion Dollars"
Tbnewswatch.com

6/25/2012 8:56:15 PM
the bird is the word says:
Hmm lawyers ,always wanting money! Somebody must have screwed up big time! At first I though, yah right Watkins and Zaitzeff again! But I did some google searching and they may be right once again. I found government documents online which said they knew things like this were gonna happen and that cities should prepare their sewers and stuff for changing weather. They knew for a long time. No wonder the City and Province will be worried by this one as well. Instead we got a not so fancy waterfront. At least the politicians who screwed up will have a nice place to launch their ark. So many screw ups and so many people literally left hung out to dry. You don't have to like these lawyers but they are pretty smart. I should have voted for watkins and got out of it for 30 grand a year. lol. I guess he told us so at the time.
6/25/2012 9:07:42 PM
debt collector says:
I told you he's a media whore. What needs to happen, it the media needs to stop taking his calls and reading his press releases. File 13 the nonsense and save the rest of us from having to read this drivel.
6/25/2012 9:15:42 PM
citizenreporter says:
I thought Watkins was a criminal attorney. He defends those accused of thing like murder and fraud against the government. How is it that he is the lawyer involved in this lawsuit?
6/25/2012 9:43:21 PM
elvis2010 says:
It's called greed! Sees nothing but $$$$$$$.
6/26/2012 9:35:44 AM
the bird is the word says:
reply to saddle girl:

Sorry time to saddle up and ride into the sun. Watkins did warn us!
He wanted to fix this when he ran for counsel!

Unlike most lawyers who tell you one thing, do another and have hidden fee's at least these guys appear like fighters and laid out what they charge and that they are donating a percent back to the victims.
Yah Watkins has won a lot of trials that what their scared of I remember when he one that Greyhound case years ago for that Davis guy. And Didn't Zaitzeff run the Dryden Air Disaster Case successfully?

These guy are cagey!
6/25/2012 10:52:54 PM
wayne says:
ringettemom, you are so naive.
6/26/2012 12:21:29 AM
ringettemom says:
Accusing me of something without explaining why? Do tell why you feel that.
Because I ask what kind of agencies would build a sewage treatment plant (re-build, upgrade, even?) on a known flood plain? Without any safeguards to prevent this sort of thing happening?
Hmm, maybe that makes me naive but I don't think so.

My actually know a bit about the work that was done on this plant, in a direct capacity. If you'd like to start debating, feel free ;-)
6/26/2012 7:39:10 AM
wayne says:
ringetettmom, Watkins is accusing 'global warming' on the disaster, and you call me accusatory?...lol
6/26/2012 2:33:55 AM
anvil of crom says:
" unlimited resources" just who the heck has unlimited resources?
Protect against global warming? Define what global warming does and will do. Prove the city and MOE and whatever other agencies involved knew that there would be a flood and the sewage plant would fail.
Then prove they did not protect within resonable means, ( ie theres no such thing as unlimited protection )
6/26/2012 6:10:13 AM
The Badger Mountain Hermit says:
All the things we're not allowed to do, yet they can do this?
6/26/2012 8:16:45 AM
udecide says:
Thunder Bay you continue to show how embarrassing this town is to Ontario and the rest of Canada. I honestly hope very few people outside of Thunder Bay access the news papers here. We are are a welfare town with nothing to offer......shame
6/26/2012 8:52:27 AM
tudor says:
I am not surprised that the posters here are suddenly lawyers. I am not supporting this lawsuit but I do find it interesting. Global warming seems to be one of those catch all things lawyers use. What is the interesting part is what role if any does the province play. Can/should the province mandate staffing hours, safety standards, inspection standards of these facilities in Ontario. Do we want the province to go around Ontario checking that everything is perfect adding more provincial jobs or do we trust the city leaders to make sure all is well.

As I said, I find the argument interesting and at the very least it will begin the discussion.

500 mil, does seem a wee bit high.
6/26/2012 9:04:03 AM
star69 says:
Zaitzeff estimated between 3,000 and 4,000 homes that were affected by the May 28 flood, with an average sewer claim of $50,000. Really??......Then goes on to say "Watkins and Zaitzeff have already filed a $300-million class-action lawsuit against the City of Thunder Bay, accusing the municipality of negligence in its role in not preventing the sewage treatment plant failure that caused raw sewage to back up into basements of several hundred homes"...I find this a little confusing
6/26/2012 9:28:20 AM
elvis2010 says:
I got a sunburn while at work yesterday. Can I hire these guys to sue the MOE for failing to protect me from global warming?!
6/26/2012 9:37:36 AM
the bird is the word says:
Reply to sky high

Yah Watkins an old woman! One with an amvil in his purse and a loaded 44 mag under the bonnet.
Really? Youv'e just made yourself look very silly and small and I am sure a 1000 moms and grandma's very angry. Sexist remarks offend not only women!
6/26/2012 1:18:57 PM
james1 says:
The group of people that have signed with the lawsuit using Watkins.Do your homework on him.Start asking around town from the person at the coffee shop,your fellow workers,even your doctor or accountant.You will get the same exact comment every single time.It will be the slap in the face that is required to snap you back to reality.That will have you running as far away as you can from any thing to do with this man.LET YOU BE THE JUDGE.
6/26/2012 1:45:35 PM
passlake says:
next time someone asks where Thunder Bay is, I'm going to say "just east of Sudbury on Highway 11"...
6/26/2012 2:00:27 PM
unknowncronic says:
Although things are changing globally, but how do you know just how big of a wall to build to protect certain areas, or how many pumps would be enough to sustain extra water.

Although Watkins suing the province may have some credit with some because of "government documents online which said they knew things like this were gonna happen and that cities should prepare their sewers and stuff for changing weather", but to what extent?

If the flood was 11 feet & we only prepared for 10 feet of water, whos fault would it be then?

Justifying the suit to the province I think wont work as nobody knows what to really protect themselves from or how to protect themselves/thier properties etc.

Seems building walls thousands of feet in the air may be the only sollution to protect everyone/everything?
6/26/2012 2:03:20 PM
justmebeingme says:
I have read all these comments over and over again, and I still can't believe how ignorant you can be. I personally applaud Mr. Watkins and Mr. Zaitzeff for what they are doing for us!!! People have lost so much, people are homeless right now because of this disaster! Its not a matter ofwho had insurance, who didnt have insurance, come on people, what would you do if YOU lost everything??? Thank you Chris and Sandy for stepping up to the plate, thank you for you and all your staffs hard work and dedication when it comes to this! I called to be a part of this claim, and I was treated with nothing but RESPECT, so keep up the great work!!!! Mr. Watkins is the talk of the city right now, as he should be. Who cares what he does, who cares what kind of "LIFE" he leads, if he is going to help us little people out, then I say "LET'S DO THIS MR. WATKINS AND MR. ZAITZEFF" The city has "SCREWED" us, so now its time for us to "SCREW" them back!!!!
6/26/2012 2:37:00 PM
Tom Sanderson says:
Nice attempt at stirring the coals....troll.

6/26/2012 8:04:57 PM
tiredofit says:
How exactly has the city screwed you on this? Did you take part in any of the assistance the city and several groups provided? If so, please ensure you compensate those groups for their time and effort. I, like most, really feel for those affected by this, however if you wish to sue your family, friends etc.. (which is what your doing), the I ask that you please refrain from obtaining any assistance what so ever from the various groups and organizations that have tried to help. Not much to ask really, simply put, you can't have your cake and eat it too.
6/26/2012 10:09:05 PM
tree says:
Im suing Mr W's parents, for the obvious reason!!
6/26/2012 2:37:54 PM
mysha says:
Here's my lawsuit...
I'm just crazy
it's global warming
so call me flaky!
6/26/2012 5:50:09 PM
Christopher Watkins says:
Reply Tree? Root? Branch?

I will make the following observations with the small words you are most likely to understand. My father has been deceased for many years. Good luck and best voyage serving him. My 80 year old mother who was a school teacher is not someone you will recognize easily, given that I doubt you made it much beyond pre school. I am prepared to meet you personally to discuss this, however you are likely to get lost if I give you directions. Feel free to contact my office to arrange the meeting, if you can use a phone. I would counter sue, but I do not bring parents into such things. I have serious doubts you even have any, at least any that would admit to ownership. I suspect you spontaneously erupted in a "tree" in some jungle. Perhaps that is where you belong, with the rest of the Baboons.

Respectfully,


Christopher Watkins
6/26/2012 6:08:37 PM
Tiredofit says:
Chris, you wonder why people think the way they do about you and your cohorts.
Seems tree hit a nerve with you, well, guess what, your lame ass lawsuit has done the same for many in this town.
I suggest you open your eyes, your putting a lot of false hope in these people's lives, you expect the citizens to provide these individuals with all kinds of support while your basically sticking a knife in our backs.
Call us what you will, our opinions of you and your greedy cohorts will never get out support or money for that matter. This was an act of mother nature/god, when are you suing them? Why not just sue all the posters while your at it
6/27/2012 5:30:57 PM
wayne says:
"What's your assessment of this class-action lawsuit Gunny Highway?"

"It's a cluster [bleep], Sir"
Tbnewswatch.com

6/26/2012 9:23:17 PM
logicwhataconcept says:
Well, actually its true. The city has known for yrs that the plant has needed to be upgraded, hell half the plant is over 30yrs old. Among other things that need attention. Our counsilors are too concerned about building things this city doesn`t need like a hotel and condos at the water front, or a new multiplex. This cities priorities are way out of wack and we need a drastic change, before more people have to suffer. Nail them to the wall maybe this reality check will knock some sense into them, although I won`t hold my breath.
6/26/2012 11:16:26 PM
brooky says:
Watkins and Zaitzeff should move to Japan and wait for the next tsunami. Surley theres got to a billion dollar lawsuit waiting to happen there. Oh, wait a sec. That was an act of God. They'd better stay here and concentrate on our flood. But, that was an act of God too. Never mind.
6/26/2012 11:36:11 PM
RBosch says:
I wrote the other day when the original $320M Lawsuit was posted, but my comments did not show up. Some are posing some interesting questions, and I offer the following:

1. It was not the amount of rain that fell that caused the flooding, but rather the time frame in which it fell. If that amount of rain had fallen over a greater timeframe, who is to say that the system could not handle it and even Environment Canada did not predict this catastrophic event.

2. folks are asking why there wasn't someone on duty at the sewage treatment plant? What could they have done differently that did not happen as a result of the plant being inundated with a flood? When the area flooded, the motors tripped, which, in effect is the same thing that an operator on duty would have done. The only difference is that the motors had to be dried out and checked for damage.

I hope the legal system dismisses these suits as being truly frivilous, as there is no metit to them.
6/26/2012 11:38:30 PM
tree says:
justmebeingme, either you are so naive or you are just being plain rude by defending what these scumbags are attempting to do.. Wake up little guy!!
6/27/2012 8:50:03 AM
Tom Sanderson says:
The loser was just trying to irritate people so they could brag about how many people responded to their childish comments. There are some comments not worth the time to reply to and that was one of them.
6/27/2012 9:21:50 PM
Tiredofit says:
I had a chat with one of the people whom Mr. Watkins represents, he's positive that he's going to get over a million bucks from this. Sorry, I feel for you buddy, but your living in a deam world if you really think he'll get you a thousand let alone a million.
Reality check people, your not getting a million bucks!
6/27/2012 5:48:55 PM
ANVIL OF CROM says:
This illustrates one of the real problems, and i could be WAYYY OFF with this.
It is that there are people genuinely affected that deserve help.
Then there are others, jumping on the insurance bandwagon, looking for cash and compensation when they dont deserve a red cent.
Now many jump on the lawsuit bandwagon hoping for a big payout.
No amount of money can replace keepsakes pictures, memorabilia etc.
But that is what safety deposit boxes,storage units and specialty insurance riders are for.
There is a level of self accountability when its comes to this issue .
6/29/2012 12:33:33 PM
westfortscum says:
The emergency plan for flooding for Ontario, clearly states that you must have a sewer backup. Most people that got flooded are ones that never installed a cheap backup. This plan has been there for years and other residents that know about flooding in there house, have had the sewage backup stoppers installed. In the plan it also says that for a flood to be called a flood water has to reach your property. In which, none did but Northwood mall. I want the legal system to do what is right and give the money out to people that were affected by the flood and not sewage backup. Sewage backup is a city problem, not a flood problem. Learn to take precautions because Thunder Bay has been getting floods for centuries and this isn't new news. Don't rely on the government for your own mistakes, or your just like a person on Welfare.
6/28/2012 3:32:43 PM
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