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2012-06-25 at 14:23

Shuffling priorities

By Leith Dunick, tbnewswatch.com
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The city will likely have to rearrange millions of dollars in next year’s budget to upgrade infrastructure in the wake of Thunder Bay’s May 28 flood disaster.

But it’s too early to discuss where that money might come from, city manager Tim Commisso said on Monday, at the last regularly scheduled briefing by the emergency operations control group.

Commisso, who will be asking council Monday night to approve an independent, four-part master drainage study, said once the results are in, the city wants to move quickly to incorporate any recommendations into next year’s budget.

“My sense is it’s going to be a reprioritization,” Commisso said. “We’re putting more money into infrastructure, but my sense is that this is as high a priority, then we’ll have to shift some priorities.”

Asked if that includes dipping into the $25-million Renew Thunder Bay fund, earmarked to help pay the city’s share of a new 6,000-seat event centre to replace Fort William Gardens, Commisso acknowledged it is a possibility.

“At this point it’s premature. The thing about Renew Thunder Bay is that it’s money that’s already there. If council wanted to use it, they could use it. But the way you should be budgeting is to make sure that it’s in the budget every year and you’ve got an ongoing program,” he said.

“We might have to spend one-time dollars, but I think that’s where we really need these reports.”
Commisso said it should also be noted that Thunder Bay’s infrastructure standards are current and modern, and to update the sewage-treatment plant and the city’s sewer systems to 100-year flood levels would be a costly process.

Possibly too costly, he said.

“To move away from those standards, to a higher standard, that’s huge dollars, from the standpoint of trying to anticipate how you would deal potentially with 50-year and 100-year storms. There is a balancing act there,” Commisso said.

“It’s not just a question of spending money to try to protect against something. It’s what’s reasonable.”
The city manager is hoping to convince the province to waive the cap it’s placed on the matching portion of the money made available to the city to cover costs incurred when more than 200 millimetres of rain hit the city last month over a five-day period.

The province has promised up to $10 million to cover a portion of the city’s costs, including overtime, road repairs and uninsured losses incurred through damage to the Atlantic Avenue Sewage Treatment Plant. An additional $2,8 million has been pledged to Oliver Paipoonge and Conmee Township.

Ontario has also set aside up to $3.2 million under its two-for-one matching-fund program, which will hit its maximum when the city’s disaster relief committee raises $1.6 million on its own. Council is expected to decide Monday whether or not up to $600,000 raised locally by the Red Cross and Salvation Army qualifies for that fund.

“Some people think we have all this money. We have a cap, but we definitely know it’s going to be more than … roughing $5 million. We know it’s going to be more than $5 million to deal with all the uninsured private losses,” Commisso said.

Coun. Rebecca Johnson, filling in for Mayor Keith Hobbs who is in Quebec City for meetings on Great Lakes sustainability, said she expected Hobbs will make a plea to other Great Lakes mayors for disaster money.

“(He will) be looking to see if he can actually look at some financial assistance, as well as any other assistance they can provide us. I think this is an issue that goes very much to the heart of what he wants to have happen for our community and we hope he is successful there,” Johnson said.

City officials reiterated deadlines in place for filing for relief:
• Detailed disaster relief: Oct. 31, 2012 (assistance for losses and damages under the Ontario Disaster Relief Assistance Program.
• Advance disaster relief: July 9, 2012 (advance of $1,000 against any disaster assistance under ODRAP)
• Waster credit – Sept. 30, 2012 (Users of the city’s sanitary sewer system can receive a $207 credit while non-users of the sanitary sewer system can receive a $118 credit)

Also, residents in need of clean-up assistance are reminded the Safe Home Clean-up Program is still operational. More than 520 homeowners have registered through the city’s facilities and fleet department.

 

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michaelnigharvey says:
How many donation dollars will not be forth coming due to the lawsuit against the City?
6/25/2012 2:33:42 PM
tex_mex-fry says:
Everyday I'm shufflin'
6/25/2012 2:44:53 PM
advocate says:
I think the best thing to do is find out exactly what happened, find out what needs to happen, and then make decisions.

I hate everyone who is making assumptions until everything is known. If this is going to cost $500 million, then obviously cut backs will be made and projects will be dropped. But we do not know the price tag.

So, right now, I hope people stop using the Jump to Conclusions board game.
6/25/2012 2:54:46 PM
yqtyqt says:
"I hope people stop using the Jump to Conclusions board game".

I'll remember those words when it comes to your assessment about opposition to your buddies in Queens Park. You'll hate hearing those words when the next provincial election comes around.

The true damage done by this storm will become known over the next year. Some damages may not surface for several years. There is no doubt that the priorities within the budget will have to be re-shuffled. Must haves (basic municipal services) need to be dealt with sooner than later. The nice to haves - arena and waterfront and bent(ed) poles can wait.

The techno-colour dreams have always been there and always will be.

But the citizens and politicians will have to take a less glitzsy & glamourous approach to capital improvements.
6/25/2012 3:49:05 PM
advocate says:
lol, who are my buddies in Queens Park?
6/25/2012 9:48:41 PM
cob says:
Here comes the spin! Here comes the spin!

Hey there slick Timmy, did the system even meet the current design standards? How many ditches have been created over the years only to be left without any maintenance since the day they were dug? How are they going to explain the 10 times normal flow the sewage plant received? It wasn't due to local flooding. Why is the sanitary sewer system so leaky that the flow could go up so high? It will be very interesting to see the terms of reference for the firm they will be hiring to do the investigation. How impartial will they be since they will be working for the same bunch that hires them and approves their payment. I see much smoke and many mirrors. Is that smoke or fog?
6/25/2012 3:21:11 PM
p.o.ed taxpayer says:
The Mayor offers help to Duluth, then goes to other municipalities asking for help for T. bay.....interesting approach...
6/25/2012 3:58:18 PM
young&concerned says:
Don’t try to figure out what Mayor Keith Hobbs is doing! Because if you do…you deserve the rest of the week off!

Hey is “off the rails”!
6/25/2012 11:25:02 PM
unknowncronic says:
Thunder Bay council needs to string a rope across the million dollar bent poles & start a laundry drying service...
The city should be able to aquire a rope for hopefully less than $200,000k as the poles are already set in place, which would make it all a go!
Golf courses n laundry drying services should bring in the cash needed to pay for the sewage bacdk-up
6/25/2012 4:23:32 PM
macdaddy77 says:
All I know is the city better not give the good old, "we gotta raise taxes" excuse.
They are high enough.
And since I am able to get good coin for my home right now, I am better off selling it and living in Rainy River or some place like that.
Its getting out of hand.
City should not venture into hospitals, arenas and water fronts.
They are in charge of water, sewer, snow removal, street lighting, and roads.
That's all, nothing else.
6/25/2012 4:27:46 PM
Me n My Opinion says:
So no parks? No maintained green space and garden areas? No arenas? No ball fields? No recreation facilities of any sort? No programs for seniors? No Fire, Police, or Ambulance service? No programs to engage youth? Just roads. That'd be such a nice place to live, and a real drawing card for enticing people to move here.

Your house is worth good coin right now (and getting better all the time, by the way) because good things are happening in Thunder Bay.

6/26/2012 9:03:41 AM
passlake says:
ambulance used to be controlled by the province and police, in a lot of municipalities, still is through the OPP..

I don't agree with macdaddy's post entirely... but, just saying..
6/26/2012 3:43:27 PM
The Badger Mountain Hermit says:
...they can't play BIG SHOT and go on free travel junkets merely taking care of sewers and snow, nor feed some serious big buck$ to their construction company drinkin' buddies...
6/28/2012 5:59:25 PM
jimmyboy says:
How does Coun. Rebecca Johnson figure that HOBBS will make a plea to other Great Lakes mayors for disaster money.??? That makes no sense what so ever....now I have been assured that HOBBS is definitively not the sharpest knife in the drawer....where oh where does he come up with these idiotic ideas.???

Now the city is going to appointment another committee to assess/study the operations and damage to the water treatment plant as reported on the radio this afternoon....yet another waste of time and $$$$.

Thunder Bay has a big time bumbling mayor and council...and too add to that problem we have even more bumbling individuals in our entire administration sector....no wonder this city is in the disgraceful condition it is in....obviously we do not have a very high standard what so ever across the board.!!!

Thunder Bay at this point in time with the way in which this disaster fund program is going...is nothing short of a 3 ring circus and we have an abundance of clowns to go with it.!
Tbnewswatch.com

6/25/2012 4:31:20 PM
feduptaxpayer#1 says:
Shuffling priorities? More like snuffling at the trough!!!
6/25/2012 8:47:21 PM
Fluffy says:
They better reshuffle. Next winter if I see the standard "we're gonna increase the taxes by XX% I'm gonna lose it
6/26/2012 7:28:00 AM
crankypants says:
"Shuffling Priorities" .... all i can say is ABOUT TIME!
6/26/2012 8:35:44 AM
Whodo says:
Ian's comments last evening...he is setting the stage for tax increases.
I say we need to "Renew', we have to spend TBayTel Dividend Dollars first. You can not sit on 'Renew Thunder Bay Dollars' and expect to increase our taxes!
FYI, The term ‘100-year-rain', you have to be a little careful with the words, because it is not just a one-in-100 year storm, it is the odds that a one-in-100 year event will occur each year; that’s the way to look at it. The intensity of those events seems to be at a higher level that we are used to and in some cases, they seem to be popping up more often in different locations.”
6/26/2012 9:57:12 AM
cob says:
Exactly! Furthermore, as time passes the probabilities of events change, depending upon history. Is it more probable that we will have more such severe weather now than we did before? Based upon the last 20 years I would say, "Yes."

However I have a problem with using TBayTel money to take the place of taxes. TbayTel cash should only be used to better the telephone system and/or reduce phone rates. Otherwise I fear the phone system will suffer at the hands of their competitors , who are coming and who have deeper pockets.
6/26/2012 11:15:57 AM
Whodo says:
Priority One should be taking care of what we already have.
Try keeping this city clean...try cleaning out the drainage ditches we have.
Clean, clean like in real estate, Sells First!
Like I said, I counted 5 employees at the waterfront within 50 feet of each other and the overflowing garbage cans!
6/26/2012 10:52:22 AM
homelessteen says:
Im confused - why do we need to upgrade if this was a freak event?
6/26/2012 3:36:08 PM
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