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2012-06-25 at 22:48

Go ahead

By Jamie Smith, tbnewswatch.com
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City council has told administration to go ahead with its plan to try and flood-proof the city in the future.

The report will see an independent engineering assessment of the Atlantic Avenue sewage treatment plant, a neighbourhood master drainage study, outline assistance programs for people and businesses to flood proof buildings and report a preliminary impact on next year’s budget.

City manager Tim Commisso and infrastructure operations manager Darrell Matson told councillors Monday night that municipalities everywhere are reexamining infrastructure under provincial standards as weather patterns change. Current River Coun. Andrew Foulds asked if flooding like the city saw last month, when more than 100 millimetres of rain hit the city in two hours, would have happened elsewhere.

“That (amount of rain) is significant for any Ontario community that uses the standards we have available to us,” Matson said. “This is bigger than just us.”

Commisso said discussions will take place on an intergovernmental level.

“This is very complex, the whole interrelationship between our systems and weather systems,” he said. “It’s a challenge.”

As for the neighborhood drainage study, residents from Northwood came forward saying that pocket flooding and water have been issues in the area for years. Valerie Cameron said it’s time that her neighbourhood had the maximum standards for sewers rather than minimum. Specifically, they want the city to find ways to redirect sewage flows, overflows and have more man power staffing places like the sewage plant when heavy rain falls.

“Many residents have done as much as possible at their own expense to prevent flooding,” Cameron said. “We should not live in fear of every rainfall.”

The residents say they want a working plan with deadlines and dates.

Matson said that the drainage study would reprioritize those areas of the city that need infrastructure upgraded through its asset management plan. Under the plan, whenever a road is resurfaces, the sewer underneath it is upgraded to a separate older combined sewer systems. It currently spends $1 million to remove combined sewers and another $2.4 million on sewer rehabilitation every year. 

The city has also spent more than $100 million from 2003 to 2010 through the pollution prevention control plan, which includes more than $80 million in updates to the sewage treatment plant. Matson said spending more money wouldn’t necessarily mean more work would get done because of construction capacity in the city.

“We certainly need to ramp it up but a lump sum of money in a short period of time would not be the way to go,” he said.

Council added that administration should look into a loan program for people affected by the flood since money from the disaster relief fund might not be available until October. Coun. Iain Angus, who introduced the amendment, said those people need money sooner in order to rebuild. Some councillors worried that any loan program would affect decisions made by the disaster relief committee.

“We should not be interfering in that,” Coun. Rebecca Johnson said.

But city clerk John Hannam said exploring a loan program would not have anything to do with the committee.

“It’s entirely out of their authority to do anything remotely like that,” Hannam said.

Negotiations continue on transferring a portion of the more than $600,000 raised by the Red Cross and Salvation Army to the disaster relief fund.

Administration will report back to council next month.
 

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She says:
A little late. And stop with the stupid questions.
6/25/2012 11:59:00 PM
debt collector says:
So we shouldn't find out why this happened and put a plan in place to try and assure it doesn't happen again?

Maybe you need to take a step back and look at the big picture. It's not just about you, no matter what some 2 bit hack of a lawyer has told you.
6/26/2012 7:47:41 AM
panzerIV says:
"City council has told administration to go ahead with its plan to try and flood-proof the city in the future." - They tried that its called the Neebing MacIntyre Floodway.

While I'm all for adding more protection for families and in flood prone areas adding bigger piping/ sewage capacity. No matter how much money we throw at this it wont help if the system is completely flooded like it was on the 28th. If they had larger pipes wouldn't it have made the problem worse since more water would have been flowing to the plant?

We wont be able to prepare for anything because the weather patterns are changing and storms are getting worse. In 40 years, if we don't change what we are doing to our planet this storm could look like an average rainfall.

Best course of action would be to increase the funding to infrastructure through general increases and the Infrastructure renewal fund. This is 0% tax increases and lack of funding coming back to bite the residents.
6/26/2012 1:16:37 AM
Tbaylifer says:
The flooding that took place as well as the crumbling roads, bridges, malls etc., are a direct result of decades of infrastructure neglect. Now we pay.
6/26/2012 6:34:06 AM
woodzee says:
And next time have all the pumps in working order.
6/26/2012 8:30:51 AM
nads74 says:
and where did you get the info that they weren't in working order???

Who ever told you that needs to get their facts straight. ALL were in working order the night of the flood.
6/26/2012 12:45:51 PM
arjay says:
as soon as I saw Ken B. in the picture, I knew we were(are) in trouble! We need more than a silly grin in this situation.
6/26/2012 8:48:47 AM
Whodo says:
How can you ask people to Donate when we know you are sitting on millions of dollars of TBay Tel Dividends.
How can Ian Angus suggest tax increases, again when you are sitting on millions of Tbay Tel Dividends in 'Renew Thunder Bay Fund'.
6/26/2012 10:02:22 AM
Potso says:
I thought that the insane increase in our water bills was put in place to fund the major sewer upgrades that the city is planning to do for the next 2 decades. Doesn't this mean that they have a way to pay for the upgrades?
6/26/2012 10:30:33 AM
panzerIV says:
The increases were legislated by the province. All water systems have to be self-sufficient and not accept any tax based payment. As of right now the plant isn't self-sufficient since there is 3-4 years of increases to go (8% increase being the highest - I believe).

Sewer upgrades still come from the tax base same with roads, water lines, culverts, parks etc. These have all been underfunded for years and are only now getting addressed with the EIRP or Enhanced Infrastructure renewal program which was the 1.5% of the 1.68 tax increase everyone paid for. By 2014 there should be an extra 6.5 million for roads and after the flooding like some more for underground services.
6/26/2012 2:41:25 PM
Potso says:
Thanks panzer for the clarification. While the province does mandate the way in which water bills are comprised, I did recall hearing something about why our sewer rate is 75% of our water bill. I have quoted the news release from the CIty's website - March 2011
"The water rate increase is required for Thunder Bay to achieve full cost recovery of its water and waste water infrastructure renewal and operating costs over the next few years." This seems to me to be a funding source for the much needed improvements.
6/26/2012 10:29:54 PM
Doug Meyers says:
Not entirely true. Sewer and sewage treatment plant funding comes mostly from the 80% sewer surcharge applied to water bills for those properties connected to the sewer system. I see that I am still being assessed at 0.044711% for sewage; with an 80% sewer I don't know why. I will ask.
6/28/2012 12:34:57 PM
cob says:
I watched the Council meeting last night. There was a very good presentation from Northwood. There was also an amount of sewage flow only exceeded by the storm of the 28th. My TV was doing circles across the floor from all the spin.
6/26/2012 11:22:35 AM
Doug Meyers says:
I tend to agree. How can a report dealing with all the issues it apparently will cover be prepared in a month? It tends to make me think the details are already known; i.e. in another report that has been collecting dust on a shelf. It is too easy to forget about sewer systems as they are not glamorous and readily seen. A long time ago I said that, "Most people don't give a damn about sewage. As long as the toilet flushes and it's gone, they're happy." It is up to Administration to keep Council's eye on the ball, to remind them not to forget the importance of buried infrastructure. Otherwise, bad things can happen.
Now, in this case, it was an unusual storm, but even given that, the results may have been better if some of the drainage issues had been addressed years ago. The flooding of the plant is a separate issue, and I do think it was avoidable.
6/28/2012 12:49:50 PM
passlake says:
the first sentence... the city and "its plan to try and flood-proof the city in the future"

won't EVER happen.

You cannot and will never be able to plan for every possible amount of rainfall and/or natural disaster that we could experience.

...but good luck with that.
6/26/2012 3:37:34 PM
karcat says:
Time to get rid of all the ex councillors who got back in, if you believe them , then i have a bridge for sale, ((( Brooklyn)))
esp if they are liberals. should be no more alderman at large only the wards,ty..
6/26/2012 7:23:27 PM
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