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2012-07-30 at 16:05

City looks to extend licence agreement to allow Horizon access to NorWesters

By Leith Dunick, tbnewswatch.com
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There may be calls for a moratorium on wind-farm projects in Ontario, but the City of Thunder Bay has asked the province to extend a temporary agreement with the province to allow Horizon Wind Limited Partnership access to its proposed turbine farm site on the Nor’Wester Mountain Range.

City council on Monday is expected to vote on a five-year extension of the 2007 licence agreement, which would allow Horizon access to the site via Little Norway Road.

The company needs to visit the site to do both preparatory work and test and studies associated with the controversial project.
Under terms of the deal the Toronto-based energy company would reimburse the city the annual $1,250 licensing fee owed to the province.

The deal will only be valid until Horizon completes its permanent access route via Loch Lomond Road.

In 2011 the two sides finally agreed to a 25-year lease agreement that allow the company to build on lands situated in Neebing Township, but owned by the city.

The deal earns Thunder Bay $25,000 annually in rent for the property, whether or not turbines are built. But nearby residents have fought the multi-million development, claiming the proposed turbines pose a health risk and are too close to nearby homes.

Recently Health Canada has indicated it will conduct a study on turbine health risks and have asked the province to hold off approval of any new projects until the results are known. 

Horizon has until Sept. 2, 2014 to build at least one turbine, or the city may terminate the lease.

In 2010, when city councillors voted to re-structure the original lease agreement, Horizon sued the city for $126 million, a lawsuit that was ultimately dropped when the company and city worked out a new deal.

The city may also end the proposed licence agreement by giving Horizon a three-month written notice.
 

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RicknB says:
Get rid of these shisters ASAP.
Their bulling tactics show just what type of business people they really are.

Wake up City Council! before it's too late.
7/30/2012 4:49:07 PM
young&concerned says:
Fort William First Nations step up and squash this project all together once and for all!
7/30/2012 5:05:21 PM
hadenough says:
Yeah, that's what's going to happen for sure.

They have their own windfarm proposal that they want to build on the Nor Westers. At least the money will stay local anyway if they're successful.
7/30/2012 6:21:56 PM
Tiredofit says:
They abandoned their proposed windfarm years ago. I suggest you do you homework before you post
7/31/2012 6:56:22 AM
Arch Stanton says:
Absolutely staggering that the City is still desperate to jump into bed with an outfit who just tried to sue them for $126m.

My nostrils detect an extremely large rodent....
7/30/2012 5:22:14 PM
barry medawin says:
Comeon people, we need the power here! So many power failures and brownouts now, how could anyone not want them here??

Another side effect of the giant propellers is an extra breeze to help cool the city when it's very humid out. The breeze would be nice on a hot windless day.

7/30/2012 5:55:02 PM
made says:
Wow, sounds like you are being really sarcastic because everything you are saying is false...you're just being funny right?
My power hardly ever goes out.
We DON'T need the power, the power we have is GREEN (Hydro)...wind TURBINES are NOT (environmental DESTRUCTION)!
They don't produce a BREEZE and on windless days (they don't turn unless you power them - wind is their power)...you were being funny right? or You just haven't done any research...which is it...just clarifying...sorry if you were just being facetious.
7/31/2012 12:15:51 PM
Steven says:
Everyone should ONCE AGAIN be writing council and the mayor and telling them to get out of this however possible.

Why on earth did we go into something in the first place with this awful group? The net benefit to us is virtually ZERO! Its $25000 per year in rent. Thats it. Pathetic idea.
7/30/2012 6:56:44 PM
wayne says:
"The company needs to visit the site to do both preparatory work and test and studies associated with the controversial project."

Had Horizon not completed all their studies and tests back in 2007? What constitutes 'preparatory work'? I thought that there was an agreement in place that not one tree was to be cut down or single bit of construction was to proceed until the REA was approved?

Wasn't their first REA rejected over a year ago, and they were planning on submitting a revised one back in September of 2011? Now they expect to have a revised REA in the next few weeks...lol

City Council needs to stand up for all of us, and say NO to these greedy rats!
7/30/2012 8:18:17 PM
fastball says:
Time for the NIMBY crowd to start up again. Build the wind-farm anywhere else...except where the expensive houses have to see them. That's 90 percent of your opposition right there.
7/30/2012 8:24:02 PM
vimeo says:
And your point is??
7/31/2012 1:08:23 AM
jimmyboy says:
Well in watching the city council meeting this evening....the vote to re-new was overwhelming in favor...no real suprise other than when HOBBS made a motion to allow people in the audience to speak even though they were not scheduled on the agenda...HOBBS was un-able to garner the support of one person to second his motion....so much for being an effective leader of our city...he clearly should have gotten the message from all who were in attendance on city council that none were interested in following him what so ever....which is not surprising one bit....so I guess from here it is on with the HORIZON WIND show....they got exactly what they wanted and HOBBS struck out in a big way.!
7/30/2012 10:10:15 PM
Glyder says:
At least he tried, and not sat back waiting for him to fail, so as to run to TBNewswatch.com and tell everyone about it.

OHHHH HOBBS, your such an ineffective leader, no one would listen to you!!! Your bad!!!! You suxor!!!

Please Jimmyboy, what would you have done? Come on, tell us! WOuld you follow the crowd, and continue with this farce of a windfarm? Or at least realize that its a joke, has no benefit for our city, and fight it? $25 k a year in rent is a joke.

Well?

"so I guess from here it is on with the HORIZON WIND show....they got exactly what they wanted and HOBBS struck out in a big way.!"

At least he tried. More than I can say for you...whiner.
7/31/2012 8:23:03 AM
unionbay880 says:
Welcome Horizon Wind. Build it.
7/31/2012 5:25:36 AM
itshell says:
How does that saying go that we can use to describe Thunder Bay...I think it was from the movie "Backdraft"..."YEARS OF TRADITION UNIMPEDED BY PROGRESS"
7/31/2012 7:14:49 AM
hotchoc says:
jimmy-- we all get it. You dislike or even hate Hobbs. Okay. Every posting does not have to be bashing Hobbs, the city, or the province. Try writing something positive for a change. It may do you some good. I am not a fan of Hobbs, but maybe his lack of support says more about the others than it does about him.

What is abundently clear to me is that this deal and all of its problems is the sole responsibility of the City of Thunder Bay. They made this deal, the re-negotiated it and they now want the province to provide support for an extension after asking the province to kill the deal. Which one is it. Do they want the Ontario government to kill the deal or help it go ahead because right now I do not understand the city's position.

Many on this council publicly said the province was responsible. It is obvious even to me that those were falsehoods. City created, city driven and this disaster continues. We are all going to pay for this mistake.
7/31/2012 8:44:24 AM
The Badger Mountain Hermit says:
Casino, Marina, Wind Farms, Bike Paths...gee, I feel like I'm in Southern California, we're all so hip.
7/31/2012 9:18:56 AM
dan fiorito says:
One thing that Horizon needs to remember is they need the support of everyone based on the provinces new points system. That includes FWFN as well as Neebing Township where the project will actually be built. Both have clearly stated in writing that they do not support Horizon's project. The reasons are numerous. They claim to have consulted with FWFN, however they say different, so who’s zooming who?

The city is clearly afraid of a business man from Toronto who threatened to sue, however they don't seem to be worried when their own citizens sue for more than twice what Horizon wanted (which begs the question why?).

You can be assured, that if this does fail in anyway shape or form, the lawsuits will continue, Horizon want's its money one way or another. He's shown in Thunder Bay and other locations that he will sue come hell or high water (goggle Bella Falls and you'll see he's done the same to them as well).

The city is in a no win situation. It's their own fault.
7/31/2012 10:16:12 AM
combatwombat says:
Your premise is incorrect, its no win situation if the city got sued for even 1 dollar, if Millions were at stake , well that really a no win situation.
And the city got out of that trap, part of it their own making perhaps but if they got sued sucessfully??
Now it may not be great for some neebing folks, but they dont own that land up there. AND how many there actually oppose the farm , a majority or a vocal minority? what are the real numbers?
now i think the wind park is stupid, and the health study moriatorium might be the saving grace for many. Zwig can take off hoser as far as I am concerned , but the city is in a corner. Its a done deal.
Non extension could result in a lawsuit as well.
And what about other people in this city? does their opinion count?
this is a thunder bay issue as in all of us, neebing does not exist in a vacuum.
Although my view is many in neebing think this is so.
7/31/2012 10:05:48 PM
windfarm forsure says:
put them everywhere. put one on the casino?

put one on city hall

put one on EVERY block in the city if it helps reduce using fuels!

windpower is where its at & we got alot of that here, or atleast a large gust always coming from cityhall anyways.
7/31/2012 10:24:57 AM
RicknB says:
Listen to this.

7/31/2012 10:51:38 AM
tiredofit says:
Just to add some additional info on the vote, Linda Rydholm voted against it and I'm sure if Aldo was there he would have as well, they see Horizon for what they truly are.

The very fact that the city still wants to be in bed with this company really begs the question, what does this guy have on certain members of the city? I mean really, why would they continue to deal with this company after the lawsuit? It's not about the money, it's been clearly shown that the city will in fact loose money on this deal (factoring in all costs associated with it and the cost to Thunder Bay Hydro). It's proven it's not as green as they thought, it's also 10x the cost of regular hydro (based on what the proposed rate that Horizon is garranteed).
But hey, this is the same group that gave away the waterfront becuase it will break even in a 100+ years. Don't worry, our kids and grandchildren can cover it.
7/31/2012 2:06:01 PM
fastball says:
"But hey, this is the same group that gave away the waterfront becuase it will break even in a 100+ years."...
Oh, yes...that LOVELY waterfront. Probably one fo the only cities anywhere that has miles and miles of waterfront property - AND NOTHING ON IT. Any other city would have primo properties along the waterfront...maybe with a park and other facilities for people to enjoy. What did we have? Rotten abandoned elevators, run-down mementos from the 1940's, railtracks, junkyards and weeds. This city has been an embarrassment when it comes to doing anything progressive and different. Once all the special interest groups and the NIMBY crowd are done moaning and whining, any group or business venture wants to bolt out of here. Thunder Bay...open for business?? My eye.
7/31/2012 5:10:09 PM
oscarmyerweiner says:
Well if you can't beat them, join them ???
7/31/2012 5:06:08 PM
wayne says:
dan and tiredofit, I agree with your posts. Horizon is sucking on the teat of the Liberal GEA and our tax dollars. City Council is too scared to stand up to them given that former lawsuit. This project will never move forward because the REA will not be approved (health study in the works as well)

It was our elected municipal officials of the day who made a behind-closed-doors agreement with Zwiggy Stardust.
7/31/2012 8:37:57 PM
lori says:
And the city continues a bad deal hoping at the end of the day some miracle happens that gets them out of this nightmare.

In the meantime, I think they should focus on blaming someone other than themselves for this mess.

Hobbs and Pugh were not there so he can claim this was not him.

Hebert I think declared a conflict and did not vote.

Linda voted yes until everyone in her ward screamed and now is a no but her name is on the original vote for this deal.

The rest voted yes. So if this happens we know who to blame, if it doesn't happen we know who to hold accountable for this disaster.

Now, if we could just find out how they spent 60 million at the Marina for a splash pad, a new building and some new bricks, life really would be great.
8/1/2012 2:00:26 PM
Tiredofit says:
Lori, the original deal was no where near what today's is, most folks would have voted yes for his initial proposal, it wasn't until the truth of the matter finally came to light and they saw this mess for what it really was. A good portion of that mess is thanks to your lovely friends he Liberals who can do no wrong in your eyes.
8/1/2012 6:21:53 PM
fluffy says:
When they are built the city council clown members should be straps to the giant blades. I would go down there frequently to watch them go round and round. It would be a wonderful stress relieving spectacle.
8/1/2012 8:13:34 PM
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