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2012-08-09 at 16:47

Power problems?

By Jamie Smith, tbnewswatch.com
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If something isn’t done soon, the city could face rolling blackouts in the coming years a local councillor says.

Nearly two years ago the Ministry of Energy announced that the Thunder Bay Generating Station would be switching from coal to natural gas to conform with the province’s long-term energy plan to get Ontario off of coal by the end of 2014.

Since then, Ontario Power Generation has spent $7 million getting the plant ready. But a power purchase agreement dispute between OPG and the Ontario Power Authority has suspended the conversion.

Spokesman Ted Gruetzner said with no contract in place, OPG can’t keep spending money if it doesn’t know whether it will come back.

“We’re still committed to the conversion of the plant and it’s still part of the long-term energy plan,” he said. “We have put the work on hold until we get the contract with the OPA in place to make sure we can recover our costs.”

Gruetzner said he didn’t want to speak publicly about what the dispute is or whether the suspension will delay the project. Negotiations between the two organizations are ongoing however.

“I wouldn’t want to speculate on what that would do to the timeline,” he said.

Coun. Larry Hebert thinks the dispute will certainly mean a delay on an already tight timeline and that delay could mean big problems for the city once the plant can no longer burn coal as of Jan.1, 2015.

“It’s very, very close to the time where we now have to get that construction underway to meet that deadline,” he said.

If the plant isn’t running and the region faces a poor snowfall that winter, hydro dams wouldn’t be running at capacity. That would mean the city would be at the mercy of transmission from elsewhere. If weather or maintenance took those lines down, there wouldn’t be enough power.

“We could be out of luck. So we might have rolling brownouts rolling blackouts whatever,” Hebert said. “We could be in big trouble.”

The at-large councillor said he has no idea what the problem is between OPG and the OPA but the same thing happened to get a purchase agreement with the Atikokan plant, which is moving to biomass. It took a huge lobbying effort from local politicians to get that agreement in place he said.

“There was a really long delay in getting that contract and I don’t know why.”

Not only is the agreement going to delay the conversion but Hebert thinks the proposed route of the Union Gas line that will travel to the plant is going to face opposition from some residents. The line would travel form the Onion Lake area and travel through parts of the city such as Innova Park.

“We figure, at least I think, we’re going to have an objection to it which may take us into a hearing process with the Ontario Energy Board,” he said.

City council will discuss the issue Monday as Hebert looks to send a letter to the Minister of Energy and other provincial agencies to speed the process up. It will also be discussed at the upcoming Association of Municipalities of Ontario conference in Ottawa later this month. City officials will meet with energy minister Chris Bentley on the issue.

“The previous minister of energy created the OPA. They all come under his ministry so he’s their boss,” Hebert said. 

 

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gusto says:
We could always use wind? I know a good place to put towers. LOL
8/9/2012 4:59:13 PM
passlake says:
would this have been an issue if Ontario Hydro wasn't dismantled by Mike Harris?

I think OPA and OPG were part of the same crown corporation prior to 1999.
8/9/2012 5:17:22 PM
gusto says:
We could always use wind? I know a good place to put towers. LOL
8/9/2012 5:22:49 PM
jimmyboy says:
I believe councilor Hebert is predicting doom and gloom that will not happen in our region and getting way ahead of himself....the province is well aware of the timeline of 2014....there is no real reason that this conversion cannot be approved as the one in Atikokan was....just ask Bill Mauro to do his magic act again ad all will be peachy keen....isn't that right Billy????

8/9/2012 5:28:41 PM
Ranma says:
And here I thought we had a massive surplus? At least that is what some opponents of the wind farm have been touting. So do we have a surplus of energy, or are we in dire need of more? Someone please give us a straight answer so we know what side of the fence to jump to! :)
8/9/2012 5:44:00 PM
jimmyboy says:
It makes absolutely no sense to do the Chicken Little...the Sky is Falling faux pas, when all you have too do is to call upon MPP Bill Mauro to ride in and rescue the day as he has regarding the power plant in Atikokan...only a short few weeks ago.!
8/9/2012 7:11:28 PM
RelaxinginMurillo says:
So, to sum up.. "if" they cant reach a timely agreement, AND they dont extend the coal operations permits, AND we get a poor snowfall, AND the long line transmission lines go down.. then we might have rolling brownouts or blackouts ?
Scary..
8/9/2012 7:24:12 PM
tsb says:
We already have rolling blackouts because Hydro One doesn't properly maintain its Walsh Street substation.
8/9/2012 8:34:24 PM
hadenough says:
Care to substantiate that statement?
8/11/2012 8:40:17 AM
tsb says:
A couple years ago, I think October 2009 and February 2010 (or a year prior in each case) we have a 6 hour blackout in south and east Fort William, and it was caused by issues at the Hydro One station on Walsh. Can't find the news articles though, it was too long ago. I think they might have happened before TBNewsWatch was released actually.
8/11/2012 5:33:58 PM
hadenough says:
You're right about those times, I remember the problems.
Hydro 1 has done significant work to the Walsh street station in the last couple of years so that issue should be over and done with.
8/12/2012 6:48:58 PM
SomeGuy says:
With the amount of hot air Councillor Hebert blows we can put the towers in his backyard.
8/9/2012 9:33:22 PM
ThunderBayFullOfCrime says:
Power problems, sewer problems, sewage plant problems, housing problems, the list keeps on and on and on........
8/10/2012 12:32:06 AM
brooky says:
Just yesterday I was listening to the NASCAR station on my Sirius radio and heard a commercial promoting coal generated power.
8/10/2012 6:46:19 AM
glock9 says:
The powers flickering on and off in the east end all the time, get your act together already this city is a box of raisens.
8/10/2012 7:19:55 AM
hardrawkin says:
The government should be providing financing to individual homeowners to install sutainable energy generating devices rather than squandering money on these aging dinasours.
This system has been a huge success in Germany.

Energy produced at the point of use is the most efficient. A huge percentage of energy is lost transmitting power from the mega power stations to the point of use.

The notion of keeping the Mega stations going is aimed at selling power south of the border not serving Ontario residents.
8/10/2012 7:55:14 AM
hadenough says:
Government is way ahead of you in this. It's called the micro fit program and there's hundreds of them up and running in the City feeding back into the grid under the FIT program.
8/11/2012 8:43:50 AM
eddylives says:
So let me get this right....
We have gone from producing too much power and a lack of ability to distribute it out of the area?
To rolling brown outs and blackouts?
WTF is really going on here , it can't just flip flop back and forth to suit the situation for an argument or statement.
How stupid do they think we are?
8/10/2012 10:02:26 AM
SomeGuy says:
This is the word of some old blowhard not the gospel. I wouldn't put much faith what is being said since it's mostly conjecture and speculation.
8/10/2012 10:52:22 AM
mikevirtanen1961 says:
He spent 29 years with Thunder Bay Hydro, many of those as the General Manager. These concerns were already identified before he retired. There is no one on council more qualified to speak on this issue, and few enough in the community at large.
8/10/2012 12:47:29 PM
blue says:
Come on people I personally know tradesmen that work over there who are sick and tired of polishing and painting. First to generate hydro we have to rotate the turbines not leave them sit idle for months at a time.
8/10/2012 2:13:19 PM
wayne says:
jimmyboy, it only took 10 years for the atikokan plant to move forward...lol

as for the wind turbines, none of that low-capacity expensive 'green' energy would be utilized by thunder bay.
8/10/2012 9:20:45 PM
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