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2012-08-13 at 16:58

Bow hunting facts

By Leith Dunick, tbnewswatch.com
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A controlled bow hunt of deer in Thunder Bay is just weeks away and city officials want to ensure the public is fully in the know about the rules and regulations.

Ron Bourret, the city’s manager of bylaw enforcement, said next Thursday’s open house session, scheduled to begin at 7 p.m. at Confederation College, said they’re encouraging both hunters and property owners to attend the meeting.

“They can see exactly the areas where hunting could be allowed,” said Bourret, adding he’s only had one complaint about the controversial bylaw since council OKed it in July.

“I said could because we will be telling people that private property owners will have to give people permission to enter their property to do so. And within that, there are certain limitations.”
Crown land, City of Thunder Bay property, easements and hydro corridors are all off limits, Bourret explained.

And then there’s Mission Island.

“We’ve also been getting calls about that, (so the meeting) is also to dispel the myth. There will be no hunting on Mission Island allowed. Pretty well anything outside the Harbour Expressway and Highway 61 going south, you could hunt if you got permission.”

The hunt will follow provincial guidelines, and only be open during deer-hunting season to properly licensed hunters.

Wayward arrows shouldn’t be an issue either, if hunters are following the regulations put in place by the bylaw.

“It will fall in line with MNR laws for hunting, which is Sept. 1 for bow hunting, to Dec. 15. And within that there are certain limitations as to having a 10-foot deer stand. So if you’re shooting an arrow at a deer, you’ll have to go down. There’s less likelihood of it travelling across a highway or roadway like that – and by the way that’s illegal to allow that.”

MNR officials will be on hand, along with Thunder Bay police, to answer any technical questions potential hunters or property owners might have.

Bourret said the controlled hunt was necessary, given the increased deer populations within city limits in recent years and the number of collisions and near misses with vehicular traffic.

Based on similar laws enacted in Duluth and Kenora, Bourret said he doesn’t expect any major issues once the hunt begins.

Thursday’s meeting will be held in lecture room 351. For more information about the hunt, visit www.thunderbay.ca/deer.

This is a corrected version of this story. The meeting will be held on Aug. 23, not Aug. 17 as originally reported.
 

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Tbaylifer says:
I believe this will do little towards controlling the population of deer however, should do great for those who want to start a small business. lol
8/13/2012 5:25:18 PM
tsb says:
There are a lot of local meat processors that are going to have a very nice autumn season. I know several and hope they do well. They all provide good products and outstanding service.
8/13/2012 8:35:15 PM
ready aim bow says:
Bow Hunting Facts:

Bow shoots arrow.
Arrow kills.
Pretty straight forward facts.
8/13/2012 6:33:13 PM
Gord says:
Actually, rarely do arrows kill unless you are quite skilled with a bow. Typically, arrows only wound a deer causing it to run with abandon into a neighbours yard, where the child playing outside gets to watch a deer thrash about and die slowly as they bleed to death. Enjoy yourself bow hunters - lets hope you go out and practise first to at least get a few clean / humane kills.
8/13/2012 10:19:17 PM
wayne says:
no deer hunting allowed on Mission Island. leave it up to the deer feeders to kill them with processed foods. "See that mommy?! Bambi took the timbit right out of my hand!"
8/13/2012 6:43:35 PM
localdog says:
Do you really think the deer on the island are surviving solely on junk food fed to them by visitors?

I have to ask, what color is the sky in your world?
8/13/2012 11:27:13 PM
cariboukid says:
What a short-sighted, small-minded and regressive city we live in.
This is an absolute embarrassment.
8/13/2012 6:56:18 PM
island hunting huh? says:
Hunting on an island, what a sport!

Cant wait to hear about the first injury due to an arrow.
Just another lawsuit that could have been avoided.
8/13/2012 10:04:48 PM
chezhank says:
Watching the news clip to this story....the newscaster tells us the model used for the bow hunt is based on the Duluth and Kenora models.....however the Duluth model does not allow for the baiting of deer....it is illegal.
"29. Baiting / Feeding of Deer. The Duluth City Council has passed an
Ordinance banning the feeding of whitetail deer within the Duluth City limits. This
applies to homeowners, landowners, and hunters. Hunting over bait, as defined by MN
State Statute and outlined in the MN DNR regulation booklet, is a crime."

Thunder Bay city council and administration overlooked that part of the model and allowed baiting.
They may be creating a problem,by allowing baiting where none existed before. Without a proper mapping of deer vehical collisions in the city we will never know.
The number of deer- vehical collisions have really been making the news lately.....not!
8/13/2012 10:16:56 PM
Big Head says:
Come on! You think these bow hunters are all out to just shoot stuff? Come on! And there should be some hunting on the island but very controlled. Sometimes you need to cull the heard.
8/13/2012 10:54:02 PM
realistic1 says:
We live just outside Thunder Bay proper and I am very concerned about my children getting hurt or worse by someone's stray bow. I hope I'm just being naive and overly concerned but to anyone hunting, please be careful. There are children and pets living in the rural areas.
8/13/2012 11:18:44 PM
Gord says:
If I were you, I would be less worried about stray arrows and more worried about wounded deer. Most arrow shots do not kill the deer (avg. 30%)and they don't die until weeks later. This will happen frequently with a bunch of new hunters and Johnny Rambo's out there and it is going to be ugly - mark my words.
8/14/2012 6:37:44 AM
noront says:
I'm pretty sure the only person that may be hurt be a bow will be the archer if they don't use it properly. The arrow on the other hand is a different story. I don't mean to pick you out, but this goes to show just how educated most of the public is with regards to bowhunting. 'Gord' also clearly doesn't know what he is talking about. I have taken countless game animals with both bow and rifle and can guarantee you that an arrow kills faster than a bullet, unless of course it is a bullet to the head. In fact a bow is my prefered method because it is more humane, a quicker kill.
8/14/2012 8:23:15 AM
Gord says:
Actually, all you proved through your comment is that you are rude. This person obviously meant arrow and not bow, so you should be proud of yourself for pointing out someone's obvious mistake. In terms of my comment, you obviously are a skilled hunter and expert marksman, and if so, I have no issue with you hunting with a bow. Unfortunately, most bow hunters are not well equipped to make a clean kill with a bow as compared to a rifle - and if you disagree with that, you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. That, is an absolute fact supported by all real hunters and experts in the field and is beyond argument. My point was not that some bow hunters are capable of a well executed (pun intended) clean kill, but that there are many that are not. The introduction of maimed animals into an urban setting where they can die slowly is not desirable to anyone, including real hunters and outdoors-people.
8/14/2012 1:32:21 PM
wayne says:
wake up and smell reality localdog! the deer on mission island are being fed food that they would not find in nature, food that does them harm. the colour of the sky in your world must be pollyanna purple. p.s. it's colour, not color, unless you are american.
8/14/2012 2:20:55 AM
wayne says:
carrots, bread, peanuts, apples, etc. yep, all the natural food deer find in nature. look up what food deer eat and thrive on all year-round and you will find that they do well without human intervention. and do better with the food they eat naturally all year-round.
8/14/2012 2:33:46 AM
localdog says:
I said "solely on junk food". If you think the deer on the island have sustained themselves for a hundred years on timbits and junk food, I'll feed you to the squirrels because you are a nut. They're eating what they would normally eat in the "wild" with the occasional hand-fed snack, its not doing them any harm - obviously.
8/14/2012 10:33:42 AM
tsb says:
There would not be anywhere near as many deer on such a small piece of land if there wasn't feeding from humans.

Mission Island isn't a petting zoo and its deer aren't pets. They're wild animals.
8/14/2012 8:05:21 PM
The Badger Mountain Hermit says:
Maybe all the Nervous Nellies can gather and safely hide inside of the Intercity Mall if they're so terrified of stray volleys of arrows.
8/14/2012 5:23:52 AM
youngintbay says:
Bow Hunting is a safe sport. Everyone all thinks that these bow hunters and myself are just going to shoot at something. Common people use your heads. A true hunter identifies its target before shooting at it. And with bow hunting people arent going to make shots over 100 yrds. Think people thats a football feild can you identify something that far away with bush and trees. Bow hunters usually get there targets in about 30-40 yrds. well I will be. This is alot better then people walking around with guns and shooting at stuff. I`m sure this is going to do well.
8/14/2012 7:24:45 AM
Ranma says:
So do you complainers have any idea on how much skill it takes to even be a bow hunter. It is not as simple as using a gun where you just point and shoot. No there is quite a bit involved in regards to using a bow. I would be more scared if they said regular hunting was going to be allowed, using shotguns.
8/14/2012 7:52:58 AM
Gord says:
Actually, that is the sad part - it takes no proven skill whatsoever. Anyone can buy a bow and apply for a Class H2 outdoors card which doesn't require any proven skill with the weapon.
8/14/2012 1:35:35 PM
localdog says:
Gord is right, it takes zero skill to use a bow and arrow. It takes skill/experience to be able to hit target from a distance, but anyone can pick up a bow and shoot an arrow in to space. As kids we made bows and arrows from branches and string and were not skilled 8 year old archers.
8/15/2012 12:16:39 PM
crowbar says:
Happy Hunting!
8/14/2012 8:39:00 AM
big joe mufferaw says:
Hey...we don't need this anymore...Mother Nature is taking care of it...the cougars and wolves are moving into town! Leave nature alone.
8/14/2012 8:46:03 AM
JIMMY2 says:
What an absolute horrendous solution, its the deer on highways that people hit, not in residential properties, I cant fatham that thunder bay is allowing this to go through, Absolute horrendous, so ashamed,
8/14/2012 9:27:01 AM
bttnk says:
Happy hunting bow hunters, be safe and dont drink and hunt.
8/14/2012 9:53:22 AM
DJ Frazer says:
The bow hunt should extend to the island where currently the deer are mainly surviving on junk food fed to them by visitors. Most may not survive the winter when the visitors are gone.
8/14/2012 11:17:25 AM
jimmyboy says:
mmmmmmm...Ron Bourett stated that Crown land, City of Thunder Bay property, easements and hydro corridors are all off limits, to those participating in the proposed hunt...looks like that does no leave all that many places for those wanting to hunt the deer does it.???
8/14/2012 11:44:06 AM
realistic1 says:
You're absolutely correct in that many of us are not educated on effects of bow hunting in populated areas and that's why we post our concerns. We're not complaining. We realize the deer population is an issue. We're just not sure this is the way to deal with the situation. After all, we do live in the north and this is their habitat. Good luck to those that will be hunting and again on behalf of those of us who know little to nothing about hunting, please be careful. That's all we ask.
8/14/2012 11:48:14 AM
buzz says:
Your comment shows how uneducated people really are about wildlife. Deer were not here in these numbers before, growing up I remember I was more likely to see a moose than a deer. However global warming, making for easier winters have helped the deer expand their range. As well, in the processs the deer have devestated the moose herd. Finally deer tend to be more successful in farm land and cleared land bounded by forest, and are brought in by food sources both natural and human created. So NO we do not live where the deer used to live, we did not take over their habitat. This was never before an area with a high deer population.
8/15/2012 7:01:49 AM
fair game? says:
The deer should have the advantage, not the hunter hunting on an island with a lethal arrow.
How can this be caled a sport?
Where is the sport in hunting on an island anyways?
Give the deer a fighting chance atleast & bring them off the island & put them deep into the bush far away from the island & hunt them next year.
I hope many are out in thier vehicles honking thier horns while hunters are trying to hunt the deer down.
To allow this to happen will be a sad time for hunters in general & should be called a slaughter, not a hunt.
8/14/2012 12:59:33 PM
passlake says:
it IS NOT happening on Mission Island!

it's happening on private property in the rural areas of Thunder Bay.. just like it happens on the rural private properties just outside city limits.
8/14/2012 8:17:34 PM
867-5309 says:
Like whatever.
Hunting???
Every grodie!
I mean like gag me with a spoon.
8/14/2012 1:16:49 PM
barry medawin says:
This is great news! So can I bag a deer using my old bow or is there some kind of license I need to get first? I guess since no gun is involved, I can hunt during the allotted time then??
8/14/2012 1:26:13 PM
Dan Dan says:
Your children are at far greater risk from the deer than the hunters. Hopefully, when this is over, there will be a lot fewer vehicle collisions, and a lot more deer pepperettes!
8/14/2012 1:54:39 PM
localdog says:
That was a good one, children at far greater risk from the deer. Can't say I've ever heard of a deer harming a child in all the years I've lived here. Can't say I've heard of a hunter harming a child either so I guess its a moot argument. What I have noticed throughout this whole deer debate is that not once have there been any statistics shown to verify that deer-vehicle collisions happen all that frequently. The city likes to use it to justify their new bylaw, but can't seem to back it up with anything.
8/14/2012 7:44:59 PM
The Cougar says:
Just don't shoot me, I'm still exploring the city.
8/14/2012 4:47:10 PM
student21 says:
to those who think this is "an embarrassment" or barbaric" ...

YOU LIVE IN THUNDER BAY!!! if you dont like outdoors and hhaving outdoorsmen activities in your city embarasses you.. this is probably not the right area for you...

i would argue that any form of hunting and meat consumption is a lot less barbaric than raising animals is horrible conditions, for the sole purpose of being killed so that people like you dont have to actually do anything other than go to the grocery store. This is MUCH MORE HUMANE than those processed, mass-cattle farms and how they operate!!!!!
8/14/2012 6:19:37 PM
wayne says:
For those who believe there is no harm in feeding deer, consider these points raised by wildlife experts:

In the wild, animals naturally disperse across the landscape. However, food promotes the concentration of animals into a small area, which increases the potential for diseases to spread. Food gets contaminated with feces, saliva, and urine, which easily harbour infectious disease-causing micro-organisms like bacteria, viruses, prions, or fungi. Once introduced, these diseases are difficult to eliminate and some can be transmitted to humans.

Human foods do not offer a healthy diet for deer. These foods provide deer with little nutrition & may disrupt the digestive system.

Feeding the wrong diet to a newborn deer can cause permanent damage to developing muscles, bones and tissues; and may not learn to feed normally, which decreases its chance of survival.
8/14/2012 7:50:09 PM
brooky says:
I drive all over Thunder Bay for my job Monday to Friday. And of course I do some running around on weekends. Never, not once have I had a close encounter with a Deer, nor have I seen a Deer that had been hit by a vehicle. Can anyone tell me where this massive problem that has consumed the news in recent months, is actually occuring in our town? And for the record, I do frequent Mission Island for photos. So I do see plenty of Deer.

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8/14/2012 9:58:05 PM
chezhank says:
Not even the deputy police chief knows how the stats on deer vehical collisions was arrived at....even though it was the police who provided the number in the "Deer Hunting Report"!
8/16/2012 8:33:01 PM
internettoughguy19 says:
I don't know what to say other than I don't see the sport in the hunt. The deer are on an island, the deer aren't afraid of people, the deer will be easy prey as they won't evade anyone. I guess these so called hunters can make themselves proud by shooting what are the most tame deer I have ever seen. One thing is these deer are no wild moose so shoot away and be proud.
8/14/2012 10:26:51 PM
Marak says:
I got a dozen or so in my yard on a regular basis and I got no issues with getting rid of them!! They destroy my trees and lawn, they even ate my cedars!!! Then they leave large piles of crap pellets all over my grass as a thank you!!!!

My dog chases them off the property, yes I said it MY DOG (better him than me) but he stops when they hit the bush or I call him back. That does not stop them from coming back at night though. The only positive to this is that if I can hunt them on my property, then at least they will be nice and plump from eating all my stuff!!! Any deer lovers or crying Bambi lovers are more than welcome to come and trap these vermin on my property and take them home with you!!
8/15/2012 7:59:33 AM
The Badger Mountain Hermit says:
They won't allow hunting on Crown Land because that would make it too easy and simple for us, and no civil "servant" would want that. They always manage to screw it up, no matter what.
8/15/2012 10:22:59 AM
whytbay says:
So after reading the various coments on here, it is vary obvious how uneducated the masses are in this matter. I have hunted for over 25 years, and for the most part with a firearm. Only in recent years have I started to hunt with a crossbow. Of all the deer that I have taken the crossbow was the quickest and the fastest. Most deer that I have taken have been from a stand or ground blind, and all have been with in 20 yards, and none of the animals went more than 20 ft after being hit. arrow placemant ranged from heart, lungs and liver shots. I do agree that an unskilled bow hunter that does not understand the target species anatomy may have issues. But this will have to be left up to the judgement of the individual landowner who allows the hunt to happen on their land.

As to the traffic and deer, I have seen more deer hit in the city limits than on hwy's, with the exception of the Duluth Thunder Bay corridor.

I only recommend to those commenting on here, do your research first.
8/15/2012 11:56:54 AM
localdog says:
You didn't really say anything that disproves the "uneducated masses" though. You're an experienced hunter familiar with your target whereas an 18 year old first timer won't be. Not to mention the lawbreaking drunks that are out there hunting every year (I've come across several tree stands covered in empty beer cans over the years). We all know it happens, they just don't often get caught. What about the poachers, the ones that killed that big daddy deer on Mission Island a while back, cut off his head and left the carcass on the side of the road? You may be a respectable hunter, but even you can't deny there are a lot of irresponsible ones out there. Those are the ones people are worried about.
8/15/2012 10:03:34 PM
Tiredofit says:
Now I may be wrong on this, hunter I'm not. People baiting the deer, if you bait them are you not in fact feeding them and should be subject to the fine as set out by the city? Can someone clarify is?
8/16/2012 7:12:32 AM
Tiredofit says:
Now I may be wrong on this, hunter I'm not. People baiting the deer, if you bait them are you not in fact feeding them and should be subject to the fine as set out by the city? Can someone clarify is?
8/16/2012 7:12:33 AM
chezhank says:
There are two sets of law in this country.
If you feed deer and you hunt them,it is considered baiting.
If you feed them and "do not" hunt them, you get charged.
This is why some people do not become police people,it would be unconscionable for some to charge someone who feeds deer so the bambies can make it through the winter.

Yes the law is a "donkey"!(No offense to donkeys).

The "LAW"?????

"5. Feeding Prohibited: No person shall Feed any Wildlife within Thunder Bay."

7. Exemptions
Sections 4, 5 and 6 of this By-law do not apply to:
(e) the activities of bow hunters during the annual bow-hunting season."
8/16/2012 9:31:42 PM
twisted says:
How can anyone shoot a dear?? honestly... what kind of person are you that you can murder such a beautiful animal??
8/17/2012 10:03:13 AM
tbay outdoorsman says:
common sence tells you that humans are not the only hunters in town hunting deer now..the top predators BEAR COUGARS WOLF..there all coming into to town aswell nothing against the deer i have them in my yard all the time but only a matter of time till those same deer bring a nasty predator that decides a child would be easier pray..thin the hurd might help that situation a little bit
8/17/2012 11:11:22 AM
eddylives says:
twisted says:
How can anyone shoot a dear?? honestly... what kind of person are you that you can murder such a beautiful animal??

Well twisted the same could be said for all animals consumed by man.....what do you suggest we do?
It is time for those that do not have a clue to remain silent , all these foolish comments really do nothing but......you got it...look uneducated and foolish lmao.

8/17/2012 2:06:23 PM
twisted says:
eddylives, you are quite the bigmouth on here..... in real life though, not so much.....
8/17/2012 6:33:04 PM
Eddylives says:
Well twisted
As you seem to be so offended by the truth one can only assume you are one of the ones that is clueless and should remain silent.
Your comments about deer just prove your mindset is twisted lol.
Please excuse the informed for trying to enlighten people such as yourself.
8/18/2012 3:38:24 PM
twisted says:
Rednecks with bows..... I cant foresee any problems with this idea.....
8/18/2012 4:58:23 PM
Eddylives says:
Wow twisty .....just paint all with the same brush lmfao
Just goes to show exactly how your thought process works.
You really have no clue about the wide diversity of participants that engage in hunting and enjoying the great outdoors we are so fortunate to have access to.
The number of professional people I have had the pleasure of meeting while hunting is quite large.
You know doctors , police officers , lawyers , business owners etc.
Just a bunch of rednecks eh....
At least they are not living in the fantasy world some do...you know the one where meat appears by magic in our grocery stores and no animals were harmed.
Please do not even attempt to call all hunters rednecks , it just sounds so foolish it's not even funny.
8/18/2012 6:23:07 PM
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