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2012-08-29 at 13:18

Strike looms

By Jamie Smith, tbnewswatch.com
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Workers at an area mine could be on strike next month if two critical issues aren’t resolved.

United Steel Workers Local 1-2693 represents around 200 workers at the Lac des Illes mine, a North American Palladium operation 85 kilometres Northwest of Thunder Bay. Workers at the site voted 94 per cent in favour of giving the union a strike mandate due to health and safety and scheduling issues.

USW staff representative Herb Daniher said a full-time health and safety advisor, from USW membership, is needed to make sure people working in the underground operation are safe.

The mine did have an advisor before it shutdown in 2008. Since reopening more than two years ago, the position hasn’t been filled. Daniher said that’s unacceptable.

“It’s one of the most dangerous environments that you can work under,” he said. “(The position) will save lives… we will strike if we don’t get that reinstituted.”

Most workers live in the region and go home on days off to see their families. But the company has moved to a 14-day work schedule, which makes that difficult Daniher said.

“The employer for whatever reason seems to think that they’d be better served by working a 14 day schedule and that is not conducive to peoples’ lifestyle in Northwestern Ontario and it’s not acceptable,” he said.

Still, Daniher said the strike vote was more of a necessary legislative step in the bargaining process. A mediator is coming next week so the company and union can reach an agreement. There has never been a strike at the mine.

“We’ve had a good relationship with the mine and we still do and I think that’s going to continue and I think common sense will prevail,” he said.

If not, workers would strike Sept. 10.
 

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ozone says:
I guess we forgot about the last "shutdown" and how long it lasted.

Don't waste time and money for a strike. You never get the lost earnings back, boys
8/29/2012 1:28:36 PM
TWM says:
So, your suggestion is to accept whatever conditions the company throws at you? By voting to give the union a mandate to strike does not necessarily mean they will strike, it's a bargaining tactic used to leverage a better deal. All the money saved by avoiding a strike but dying in the process isn't a good deal either.
8/29/2012 5:10:15 PM
gone for good says:
Don't waste time and money for a strike. You never get the lost earnings back, boys


But getting killed on the job is fine.
Five days in Bisset gold mine was more then enough for me.
All they did there was drink once topside for 12 hours.

Drink till they pass out in between 8:00 and 10:00 p.m.
Then show up the next morning at the cage to do it all again.

Safety is paramount on these jobsites. And worth going on strike for.
8/29/2012 2:09:19 PM
dynamiter says:
I dont know about the union bashers around here - but get over it. If you really want to bash a union bash the teachers union - they deserve it. The contract offered the public school teachers was accepted by the catholic school teachers and these guys are whining.

As far as this mine is concerned - I think that both issues should not be a problem. This mine site is only about 1.5 hour drive from Thunder Bay. There are a lot of people commuting that long every day in the Toronto area. There are a lot of loggers ( at least those still working) commuting that long every day. There were a lot of bush camps farther out than that - so why does this company need to work 14 straight days. I can see it if they needed to import a lot of miners in from Sudbury - but if most of the miners are local or even from Geraldton/Marathon - I dont see why the need to be away from their families two weeks at a time. It is bad enough for those tripping to the oilsands and keeping their NWO residences.
8/29/2012 5:09:42 PM
panzerIV says:
You don't see a difference in the 7 and 14 day shifts?

7 days shifts the 1st and last day are spent thinking about home leaving 5 days of productive work.

14 you have 12 days and it make payroll easier.

14 days in and then 14 off would be great in a job site like this. Sure the 14 on would suck but then a hour and a half drive home to enjoy 14 days off with. I have family that does that in the oil sands, except they spend 2 full days flying.

I'd be happy with 14 and 14. A really nice pay check and then a mini vacation.
8/30/2012 1:22:24 AM
Tbaylifer says:
Dynamiters: your statement about the teachers is completely wrong. They are not protesting about a wage increase but their right to collective bargaining. Get your head out of your bosses behind and follow the real story. Then you will be able to make an informed statement.
8/29/2012 5:27:21 PM
dynamiter says:
TBlifer - you must be a public school teacher. There comes a time when this union and their members realize what is going on around them. The Catholic teachers union members did realize this and settled. It is nice to mumble stuff about the right to bargain - blah - but when you are dealing with an entity that never will go broke - ie the public sector - there is no real rubber ever meeting the road. Unlike the Buchanan group, Abitibi and other namesakes, Nortel, Chrysler/GM - etc etc all who have a big shortfall in pensions - all who have either taken roll backs in wages and benefit reductions or just totally lost their jobs, plus accrued wages and most of their pension money. Their tax paying jobs - aka taxes that go to pay your wages and benefits. Now I am not a Mcguinty supporter - but the province is in debt - it does make sense to have the teachers wages and benefits and strike ability on the sideline for a couple of years. So maybe get your head out of where ever and think!!
8/29/2012 7:40:51 PM
dynamiter says:
Further to my comment - here is what the province wanted """"
The memorandum lays out a two-year wage freeze for elementary and secondary teachers, a drop in the number of sick days earned in a school year and eliminates any further banking of unused sick days. Eligible teachers can still climb a wage grid starting mid-year, but will have three days without pay in place of board-level professional development day.""""" That is really a hardship for the poor teachers - maybe some of them should go to Lac Des Isles and work a few shifts underground
8/29/2012 7:46:52 PM
Swee45 says:
They are the same issue in the case of the teachers. Because they have the right to collective bargain, they hold students and the public hostage every few years to get wage increases. The public purse has no choice as our children must go to school.
8/29/2012 10:31:37 PM
The Badger Mountain Hermit says:
Rule #1: Run the operation as cheap as possible.
8/29/2012 6:20:39 PM
jasper says:
the government should force them to settle and take away their right to strike as palladium is an essential chemical element. they should also make them take a pay cut and work 3 days for free.
8/29/2012 6:56:04 PM
p.o.ed taxpayer says:
A health & Safety advisor from the membership is a 'no brainer' mining is an extremely dangerous line of work and there can never be too many safety precautions.
Tbaylifer says: "your statement about the teachers is completely wrong. They are not protesting about a wage increase but their right to collective bargaining". Seems everyone is trying to rewrite history...for months now various representatives from the teachers unions stated that they would not accept a wage freeze...now that it may be imposed on them, we hear that they were willing to accept and this is just about a fair bargaining issue....Whats fair about the way teacher unions 'Negotiate'? They accuse the govt. of bullying and yet that is the very tactic that they employ for each contract...give us what we want or we will walkout at the beginning of the school year and we will do whatever we can to defeat your govt....That is what passes as fair negotiations.
8/29/2012 9:30:05 PM
idontknowitall says:
I'm hardly a union supporter, but I would be very apprehensive to work for a company (any company, let alone mining) that wouldn't fill this position if it was critical to the health and safety of the workforce (no one has said exactly what this position entails). So to that point, I would agree with the union. Their second point about the work schedule confuses me though. I'm very familiar with the 14-on, 14-off schedule, and while it's certainly not for everyone as I've seen in my career, there are a lot of folks who like it for various reasons. If you don't like the schedule, don't apply there.
8/30/2012 9:11:27 AM
gone for good says:
No you idiot (since you want to throw insults around).

They want a safety rep. I do know what they are talking about. I worked in a mine.
HAVE YOU!
8/30/2012 10:51:20 AM
gone for good says:
itshell

Try reading the article next time.
Before hurling insults, or is that all your capable of.
Mines are dangerous, they need a rep and will strike for one if need be.
GROW UP.
8/30/2012 10:58:25 AM
idontknowitall says:
@gone for good - Who are you referring to? If it's me, I've been in mining for 24 years and have worked this schedule and many other variations. All I said was I don't know what the 'advisor' role means. By law, there has to be a JHSC, and although I don't know LDI intimately, I would presume they have a safety department. Also, my first comment said I DO support the union's demanding this position be filled. FYI - it helps if you tell us who you're directing your replies to. Have a great day!
8/30/2012 11:46:06 AM
pylon says:
LDI does have safety guys and and a JOHSC, and I think we can both agree that most people in TBay have a really poor perception of U/G mining.

reading these comments is a good eye opener....

I have 5 years u/g myself and I've rarely felt uncomfortable doing my job. Even when I have then a risk assessment is done and you carry it through safely.

Mining has provided me a great career and a lot of opportunity. It's really sad that Thunder Bay is missing the boom that is already happening.

We've killed many people in the NWO Region in construction accidents in the 5 years i've worked in NWO mines, we've killed 0 underground. Mining like any heavy industry you need to be aware of what is going on, and you need to take care of eachother. I don't think a union makes a difference safety wise, I've worked at both sides of that coin and I didn't see a bit of a difference in the safety standards, I did see a much more negative attitude in a union setting however...
8/30/2012 2:18:10 PM
gone for good says:
Comment was directed to itshell, but they deleted his post.
Not intended to offend you in any way.
8/30/2012 12:26:11 PM
baffled says:
Reading the back and forth banter on this website kills me. Someone writes a comment, it is mean and harsh so others comment to that effect. Then the website pulls the initial comments and we are left reading the complaints and other posters are apologetically back-pedalling thinking someone took issue with thier rather mild statements. Too funny. Its nice outside, get off your computers and go for a walk.
8/30/2012 2:01:06 PM
idontknowitall says:
Thanks, 'gone for good' - I was looking for 'itshell' - I couldn't figure out what you were referring to. And to 'baffled' - I did just that, which is why I didn't see your post until 4pm :) Cheers all.
8/30/2012 4:02:04 PM
gone for good says:
baffled

Agreed.
8/30/2012 4:17:32 PM
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