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2012-09-04 at 16:34

Sleeping in

By Jeff Labine, tbnewswatch.com
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Thunder Bay Catholic high school students could catch some extra shuteye in the morning.

The Lakehead Public School Board made the switch to the later start time of 9:30 a.m. for its high school students about nine years ago, but the District Catholic School Board has yet to make that change.

Reut Gruber, a psychiatry professor at McGill University, told CBC National News that students going through puberty produce the hormone melatonin later. That hormone tells someone when to go to sleep but the signal to wake up is also set later, he said. This, he concludes, means high school students could benefit from starting the school day later.

Joan Powell, director of education for the Catholic School Board, said they are bringing in mental health leader and nurses and will have a bigger focus on student mental health. She said she expected the change to a 9:30 a.m. start would be one of the suggestions.

“It probably has a certain amount of merit,” Powell said. “Having been a teenager myself, I remember how difficult it was getting up in the morning. If this is one of the things we need to look at to help students then we certainly will.”

One of the biggest challenges in implementing the time change will be scheduling buses.

Powell said all three local boards use the same buses for both high school and elementary school so it will take some time before they could implement the change. Although it could take some time to hammer out all the details, she guessed the change could start as soon as next September.

“It really depends on how our conversations go,” she said. “We could decide to work it in different ways.”

Catherine Siemieniuk, director of education for the Lakehead Public School Board, said they made the switch because they wanted to make school life better for students but also how to be more efficient with transportation.

With almost a decade of having a later start, Siemieniuk said so far it’s been a successful switch.

“We don’t have hard data but we do have positive recognition that the start time is something our students like,” Siemieniuk said.

“We wouldn’t want to be starting any later than that at this point. Students are concerned about extra-curricular activities and part-time jobs. We can still at 9:30 a.m. get them out at 3:30 p.m. because we shortened the lunch. That still allows for the extra-curricular activities and part-time work.”

She added if new research showed 10 a.m. was a better time for students to start school they would revisit the idea of changing the start time.
 

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tbay456 says:
“It probably has a certain amount of merit,” Powell said. “Having been a teenager myself,....."

What an amazing quote from a director of education. She must be among the few in the world who can say they have been a teenager....
9/4/2012 6:13:45 PM
shakingmyhead says:
"Having been a teenager myself ... "

Really??? From the director of education comes this biological epiphany!?!?! I don't know whether to laugh or cry or switch the kids to the public system!!!!
9/4/2012 6:18:02 PM
tbcanada says:
From my comprehension, the director your speaking of IS from the public system.
9/6/2012 12:44:33 AM
wayne says:
9:30am to 3:30pm...not a bad work schedule for teachers with an hour lunch break and other breaks.
9/4/2012 6:38:01 PM
tbay456 says:
Wayne
Perhaps you should consider the added hours for class preparation (lessons do not come out of thin air), planning, marking, reporting, coaching, duty, meetings with parents, phone calls to parents, after school student help, data collection, just to name some of the additional jobs of teachers. Just because the students only attend the building for classes during that time doesn't mean that an educators day ends. Nice try for the teacher bashing though.
9/4/2012 8:43:01 PM
tsb says:
I was in high school when the system changed. The lunch break is only 30 minutes. It WAS 30 minutes, but that delay in the school day only came at the expense of our lunch break. School still lets out at the same time it always did.
9/4/2012 9:36:46 PM
Reignmaker says:
Teachers are compensated quite well for those tasks with massive holidays and wages.

I don't agree with Wayne's comment, but acting like teaching is some sort of slave work when the rest of us work after hours all year long is ridiculous.

You don't see the bakers, social workers, farmers, etc complaining because they work long hours. Hell, those professions can only dream about the benefits that teachers have.
9/5/2012 10:00:03 AM
Dudebro says:
Yup, cater to the poor students some more and add to the existing problem of laziness and we're really setting ourselves up for a fine bunch of young people to run this country.
C'mon, look at teenagers of today and tell me were not producing some pretty sad excuses for people (for the most part, but not all of them obviously).
Honestly, I don't know how teachers handle it, you can't give a student detention anymore, you can't hold them responsible at all for fear of "hurting their feelings", you can hardly fail anyone because "that's not fair". No wonder a good handful of the kids going through school are riding the system not doing a darn thing and with some sense of entitlement that they have not yet earned whatsoever.
I'm not even very old and I've seen a huge change in the kinds of kids going through high school now, and its definitely for the worst. We'll see how they fare in the real world when mommy and daddy aren't there to soften the blow for them a little later.
9/4/2012 9:01:33 PM
macdaddy77 says:
@ Wayne
High school teachers work 3 hrs and 45 minutes, this is 3 periods of 1 hr and 15 min each.
Plus a free period and lunch.
Either way one slices it, teachers win.
9/4/2012 9:16:13 PM
Sui Generis says:
Oh, I hope this is sarcasm, or some form of joking I'm not catching on to.

Teachers work for hours before the students come to class, and hours after. They work weekends, preparing their lessons, marking, reading reports and more. They often work late into the night, only to get up the next day and do it all over again.

Free period and lunch? In what universe?

Wow, the delusional world some people live in.
9/5/2012 8:59:14 AM
The Beaver..... says:
"Having been a teenager myself .. grins..thats what you get for only 250.000 a year..serves you right.
9/5/2012 7:49:05 AM
hockeymom2l says:
Come on ...what about the real world where you have to get up for work before 8 sometimes.. work till who knows when...its high school get them use to it now. The real world does not cater to our sleep needs.
9/5/2012 9:32:35 AM
gogreenorgohome says:
Teachers also supervise dances, volleyball, attend parent conferences, meet with other agencies and have report cards four times a year with numerous phone calls to make to parents, guidance, CAS etc..That is a typical 8 hour day and invite Wayne to shadow a teacher for a day!
9/5/2012 10:05:05 AM
crowbar says:
@dudebro

Hey don't worry about what schools can't do anymore, the real world will just be that much more of a slap in the face to them.
9/5/2012 11:42:14 AM
ForgotMyName says:
Oh the poor babies who have to get up before 8 am! Life is so unfair and hard!!

Please I grew up in the country and had a bus ride longer than an hour each way to school... I got my @$$ out of bed at 6 am to get ready for school.

It's not hard... People are just getting really lazy.

Too bad a 'normal' work day or college day starts @ 8:30 or 9....
9/5/2012 11:49:43 AM
teacherspet says:
Yes...teachers work hard. But so does everyone else. I am a business professional, I work long hours, come in on weekends, volunteer to assist with community functions yada yada nobody cares.

Here is the difference, I get two weeks off, half a teachers salary, less benefits and more stress. Oh and did I mention I can't strike?

I think teachers are great, they just complain way too much! Teachers, you have so many benefits..stop striking, stop complaining, stop with the greed.

9/5/2012 12:34:13 PM
tbay99 says:
LOL ya teachers are the ONLY people that complain about their job! Get real people the constant teacher bashing is getting old. If your so bitter about teachers go back to school and become one nobody is stopping you. Just be prepared to graduate and most likely not even get on a supply list which you could be stuck on for years with NO benefits and very inconsistent work. So inconsistent that you will likely have to work a 2nd job just to keep your head above water.

Saying every teacher complains is nothing but stereotyping an entire group of people. Maybe teacherspet needs more experience in different fields of work because clearly you realize that in every job sector there is people who complain no matter how good they have it.
9/5/2012 2:37:02 PM
teacher says:
Reignmaker, where are the massive holiday's and wages? A teacher is not paid for the summer break, and cannot take regular holiday's with family as theirs are assigned to them for Christmas and March Break; the two most expensive times to travel.
You would be surprised at how normal the benefits are, Social workers and city employees have better benefit packages. The wage starts at sub 40k to start after 5yrs of University and that is if you are lucky to find employment without supplying for 10+yrs. If you think that teachers have it so well that is the profession you should pursue. It is never to late to get educated.
9:30-3:30 is what the students put in, a teacher puts in quite a bit more, but unfortunately the ignorance runs rampant in this city.
9/5/2012 12:52:40 PM
ricky says:
Dumbest idea ever. It's been fine for the past 100 years and now all of a sudden some bored person decides to do a study to make it look like he's actually doing some kind of work. Who's going to pay for the mental health worker and nurses?
9/5/2012 2:00:46 PM
Lappewriter says:
I may be wrong but teachers can take holidays whenever they want they just won't get paid for them
9/5/2012 3:42:06 PM
really??? says:
“It probably has a certain amount of merit,” Powell said. “Having been a teenager myself,....."
Yes Ms. Powell - WE WERE ALL TEENAGERS ONCE. And guess what? There will be teenagers after us too. Who cares - The shorter lunch is great - less time for the high school students to leave the school etc etc. Is the attendance better with the later start? Don't tell me 20 - 30 minutes later start time makes any difference in their learning ability. Isn't it better for busing with staggered start times? Tell the truth - for once.
9/5/2012 4:03:01 PM
The Beaver..... says:
Hang in there Joan you are a very funny Lady
Sorry to say i never was a Teenager...had to work my butt off to feed my Wife and Daughter
turned out great.But heee from 6 AM to 9 PM no snoozing here.
9/5/2012 4:03:40 PM
tbay80 says:
Until people walk in other people's shoes and take on the job as a teacher, I would suggest people refrain from making comments on something people don't understand. A teacher has just as much work as anyone else's job, and if people truly wished they wanted the same benefits, vacation, hours,...etc., then people should consider taking the education required and obtaining such a job.
9/5/2012 4:18:25 PM
fan says:
Bill Gates says it all!
Rule No. 1:   Life is not fair. Get used to it. The average teen-ager uses the phrase "It's not fair" 8.6 times a day. You got it from your parents, who said it so often you decided they must be the most idealistic generation ever. When they started hearing it from their own kids, they realized Rule No. 1.

Rule No. 2:   The real world won't care as much about your self-esteem as much as your school does. It'll expect you to accomplish something before you feel good about yourself. This may come as a shock. Usually, when inflated self-esteem meets reality, kids complain that it's not fair. (See Rule No. 1)


9/5/2012 5:27:09 PM
Shafali says:
getting back to the article
I agree, the work force hours are not at 9:30 start time. Many students are not flexible re: working hours these days. I say school s/b 8 to 4 or 8:30 to 4/5
We were up early no problem, however we were also fed proper meals and in bed at a decent time not partying or on video games all hours of the night. So I say get up early, prepare for the real world. Or, make sure students career paths gear towards profession with such hours they will be accustomed to via school.
9/5/2012 7:31:17 PM
6913 says:
Congrats to all teachers and students out there.I hope you all do well!
9/5/2012 9:39:39 PM
Kappa says:
Lappewriter, they can BUT they have to pay for the supply teach out of their own pocket and that's 500 per day. So, most teachers dont..
9/6/2012 8:58:39 AM
Kappa says:
A teachers job start at 830 and doesnt end until 6 sometimes, so for those "small minded" people out there refrain from making moronic comments to which to know nothing about
9/6/2012 9:12:22 AM
jubjub says:
We continue to compensate and adjust our systems for useless teenagers. No zero policy, no late penalties, now let them sleep in? How about taking away their smart phones after 9pm and not letting them send texts and facebook to 3 in the morning. Parents need to take more responsibility for their kids and stop blaming the teachers, the system and now hormones.

Taking it out on teachers doesn't help either. If I was a teacher, I would demand to be compensated fairly if I had to spend the day with these rude snotty nose kids. Ever had an 10 year old spit on you and tell you to go f* yourself and all you can do is stand there and take it? I am not a teacher but have heard enough stories to know that if I was I would be fired pretty quickly for using inappropriate disciplinary action. Yes, there are great kids out there but less and less of them every year and as a society we keep ignoring the real problems.
9/6/2012 11:05:58 AM
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