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2012-09-07 at 10:42

Extra concern: Students worry about extracurricular amid potential labour dispute

By Jeff Labine, tbnewswatch.com
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Students returned to class this week, but many say the school year won’t be the same if extracurricular activities are absent.

Ellen Chambers, head of Thunder Bay’s Elementary Teachers Federation of Ontario, warned earlier this week that given the labour troubles with teachers and support works with the government there could be a possibility that extracurricular activities could stop.

The minority Liberal-led government tabled legislation in order to reach a deal with teacher and support workers. Unions have criticized the bill because they argue it takes away their bargaining rights.

Chatter that sports, drama and many other activities and clubs could be at risk worried many area high school students.

Logan Turner and Ankur Shahi, both Grade 11 students at Sir Winston Churchill High School, enjoy playing sports during the school year. Logan has played on a variety of sports teams from volleyball to curling and said he would be disappointed if he couldn’t play this year.

“I hope it doesn’t get cancelled because one of the best parts of school is the extracurricular,” Logan said. “It makes school that much better and if they aren’t there it will be dull.”

Ankur, who ran a cricket camp this summer, said he would be disappointed as well but thought it could give students a chance to learn more about the sport he loves.

If sports were cancelled, he said he would start to think about running the camp throughout the school year.

“Even though it would be tough to find funding and stuff for it, but with the grant the city gave me before and the sponsorships I got I think I would be able to manage it if it was necessary,” Ankur said.

Those same concerns were shared with students at Westgate Collegiate and Vocational Institute.

Grade 10 student Carly Longphert-Esquega plays basketball every year and agrees that if activities were cancelled it would take away from her overall high school experience.

“I wouldn’t be able to play basketball and I would be sad,” she said.

Colin Sutherland started his final year at Westgate and said he was excited and a little nervous to move onto university. He also said it would be a disappointment if extracurricular activities were canceled.

“It’s obviously not the teacher’s fault really so they would be unhappy too if they had to stop providing that for the students,” Colin said.

But the problem facing many public school students isn’t shared with those at the Thunder Bay District Catholic School Board.

The English Catholic Board reached a deal with the government earlier in the summer.
Joan Powell, director of education for the Catholic School Board, said since they reached that deal it means sports and extracurricular activities are safe.

“We don’t expect any cuts to any kind of services,” Powell said. “All of our teachers are back at work and happy to be back at work.”

She said it’s hard to say what kind of impact the public board stopping its sports would have on their teams. She added that would have to be looked at when the time comes.

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countryguy2 says:
That's too bad. When I was in highschool in 2001, the same thing happened, and that was not fun at all. but teachers need something of a bargaining chip.... and that's the way it goes. I know there will be comments, oh they need to suck it up, not all of us get nice pay...all that useless crap everyone writes on these posts, but guess what, you're all armchair commentators, and just need to settle and act like adults, not 10 year olds who need to lear some manners.
9/7/2012 11:39:17 AM
tiredofit says:
So if all the extra stuff gets cut, it just shows where the teachers priorities are, their pocket books. Get over it we all have to cut back in life sometimes, this is no different.
9/7/2012 11:49:40 AM
humnchuck says:
But if it's "extra stuff", then that means they are volunteering their time to coach. They don't have the right not to volunteer any longer?

I don't think anyone's yet said that there won't be extracurriculars this year; the LETO President merely said it could be a possibility at some point. I drove past Superior the other day and saw football practice happening on the field...they're coaching right now.

Why don't we worry about the mudslinging once something actually happens which warrants it?
9/7/2012 6:34:14 PM
Tiredofit says:
Its not mud slinging as you put it. I don't appreciate them using my kids as a bargaining tool in their dispute with the province. It's nothing more than a threat at this point at the expense of my kids.

My point is, we all have to make sacrifices at certain points in our careers and as I see it teachers are very well paid at all levels, I went to school just as along as they did as don't give me that crap.
9/9/2012 10:46:38 AM
humnchuck says:
But if they're not withdrawing extracurriculars, how are they using your kids as a bargaining tool? The sports teams, clubs, etc. are extra; they're not mandated as part of job description as far as I know...that's why they are called "extracurricular". If they were refusing to provide an academic education to your child, then that's another issue altogether.
9/9/2012 1:14:30 PM
chbaker says:
I think the best thing to do is quit school altogether, and then you can play all the basketball you want. Good times when you're young, and can enjoy them.

Then later, when you're 21 or so you can just do your highschool in like 9 months at the college.
9/7/2012 2:04:50 PM
FinalObserver says:
lol what?
9/7/2012 5:26:12 PM
CM Punk says:
Correct me if I am wrong here and by the way, I am not a teacher basher.
But please, do not use the kids as "pawns" here.
Leave that for characters used in the soap opera Days of our Lives. Remember "the Pawn?"

Extra curricular activities are periods where students can grow away and not away from the school environment.
Some students may not be in "ideal" situations at home so this gives them something to look forward to.
And lets be real here.
These activities develop the students confidence level, individuality and self esteem. You don't do it because you expect some kind of green back bonus from it.
And if you are going to use this as a ploy for money and better benefits which the ones you already have are second to none.
Get out, someone will gladly replace you for less money even.
The Best in the World.
9/7/2012 3:21:03 PM
nerdfacedg says:
We didn't have sports one year when I was in high school, it was a shame but the Teachers need rights, so it has to be done.
9/7/2012 4:29:23 PM
ranma says:
Those of you complaining about this, how about you put in an 8 hour day, then stay behind for another 3 hours of overtime that is unpaid, and then when you go home, spend another 3-4 hours marking papers. How does a 15 hour work day sound to you? Kind of makes you shut your ignorant pie hole once you realize just how much work teachers do, doesn't it.

We give these people the most precious of our things, our KIDS, and here you jerks hold them in contempt. I would rather have happy teachers that want to teach our children and enjoy their jobs, then have ones who hate their jobs and pass the buck. Do we want to have as many ignorant people in our country as the USA where teachers earn a measly 15-20k a year in public schools?? Teachers deserve their pay because they are ensuring our future stays BRIGHT!
9/7/2012 6:33:51 PM
gord says:
I'm guessing,based on your comment, that you went to school in the us? Seriously, do you even know a teacher - 15 hr days - give me a break. I'm not insulting teachers here-they have a tough job but your comment is ridiculous.
9/7/2012 7:41:27 PM
imhere says:
That's all fine but i'll also enjoy my summers off and the fact that kids knowing how to spell seems to be pushed to the back burner. I had one of my childrens teachers actually shocked that the kids in the class couldn't spell. When asked what method was being used to teach them to spell at school all we got was a dumb founded look and told that they haven't taught that in years. We went years without our kids having spelling quizzes.

I'm all for people getting paid for the job they do. If a teacher thinks that part of the salary doesn't cover extra curricular or the things they do after hours they are crazy. Of course they are getting paid for it all the time whether it's done or not. The teachers at the schools around here don't put in 8 hour days at work - maybe 7 at most - so if where you are does, good job.
9/7/2012 7:56:20 PM
baybrewer says:
"Those of you complaining about this, how about you put in an 8 hour day, then stay behind for another 3 hours of overtime that is unpaid, and then when you go home, spend another 3-4 hours marking papers."

I put in a full day for work, skip my lunches, volunteer my time coaching football and then go home to do more unpaid work. Oh I'm not a teacher. BTW I don't have a pension or benefits.

So you lost me on your argument. There are more than just teachers that give up their time for students after school. Those teachers get paid more than I do and above noted pension and benefits which I have to self fund.
9/7/2012 9:07:55 PM
animiki says:
First, you're weakening your case by overstating it. I am related to a teacher and, believe me, there are few instances when teachers are required to put in these sorts of hours. That's not to say that teachers don't work hard; as in any profession, some are gems and do go above and beyond, and others just phone it in.

Second, you're neglecting the fact that there are lots of jobs and professions that are extremely demanding. Long-haul ruck drivers, soldiers on deployment, industrial cleaning and maintenance crews...the list goes on, of people with vital jobs that demand huge investments of time, energy and commitment. One could argue that many of these people are underpaid. The fact remains that the supply of money/resources in our economy is finite--we should ALWAYS be considering if there are better ways of allocating it, especially when it belongs to the taxpayers. Teachers really don't deserve any special exemption from this sort of scrutiny.
9/8/2012 12:48:09 AM
Marak says:
Are you kidding me??? Unpaid overtime?? How about 2 months off for summer, Christmas break, March break and a boatload of so called "PD" days? And they are still paid the highest wages in Canada! I've said it before and I'll say it again. My sister is a teacher and I've met several of her co-workers and all they do is whine on how hard they have it!!

Now I have a great job with good pay and I would give up ALL my substantial overtime for the summer off alone let alone the other perks! Don't get paid for a couple of hours overtime, most of the time they only work 5 hours a day anyways...sheesh
9/9/2012 11:22:50 AM
hardrawkin says:
At least teach the basics. That would be beneficial to the students.
9/7/2012 8:47:00 PM
CM Punk says:
@ranma, you have no idea what you are talking about.
Why don't you try getting up at 4am, travel for 2hrs plus, work for 10 hrs in the cold at -40.
Then travel 2 hrs back to return home.
On a good day you arrive at 6pm.
Trust me, you do not do 3 hours of work unpaid and then spend hours at home at night.
Cry me a river.

The Best in the World.
9/7/2012 11:15:13 PM
CanadaLynx says:
I am a teacher. And yes, I have summers off and get paid well. My friends should be envious..right?! Unlike what some might think, none of my friends who know me well want my job. And these are friends with few summer holidays available. Why? Because they admit that I work all day, and then work all night - every day except for Friday nights and during the day Saturday and Sunday. I'm unavailable on the weekdays to do anything in the evenings. I'm constantly preparing teaching material, revising lesson plans, and creating new stimulating demonstrations. I am passionate about teaching and I owe it to my students to do everything I can to ensure they receive the highest quality educational experience possible. I know there are many like me in this city in other jobs. It is such a normal part of my week that I think little of it. Yet - my friends notice. It is ironic that I feel I have the greatest job in the world, while my friends - who see what I do - would never, ever - want it.
9/8/2012 7:51:13 AM
MrRodgers says:
Maybe your first full-time year? I know of multiple teachers who use the same material year after year. In high schools, teachers use there lunches and "spares" for marking. In elementary schools, I hope it doesn't take more then 30 minutes to mark a 3 sentence paragraph which can be done during lunch. Maybe they don't want to do what you do for other reasons, not your work hours.
9/9/2012 12:21:41 PM
CM Punk says:
Totally agree with Imhere.
By the time the kids get into high school, some would come up to the desk and ask me to spell certain words for them.
I think to myself, you are in HS, you should know how to spell that.
Make me wonder what the teachers that had the kids in the early do.
Oh wait! I know. Talk about how they got sloshed the night before or some Bon Jovi concert they are getting ready to go to.
And use a couple of sick days for it.
9/8/2012 8:22:44 AM
Mazda323 says:
I'm not bashing teachers here, in fact, I hold teachers in a very high regard as I would never be able to do their job...BUT I do have to comment on the lack of spelling and grammer in our daily lives. These people are making a pretty good buck doing what they do, but where is the EDUCATION?? People, not just kids..look around this site for example, have no spelling or grammer skills. Go to a store and watch the clerk fumble if you give them $20.00 for a $5.15 purchase, then throw in a quarter after they let the till do the math for them...they can't make change to save their lives! If these are the "skills" being taught...we're gettin ripped off HUGE!
9/8/2012 9:13:15 AM
localdog says:
I'm sure you meant "grammar".... not grammer.
9/8/2012 4:54:25 PM
ComradeLeninHiawathaZwig says:
The problem is, spelling and grammar aren't being taught much if at all. I don't think I've seen it mentioned in the high school curriculum documents; unfortunately, students are expected to have their spelling and grammar down by the time they reach high school, and this clearly is an unrealistic expectation for some students. Another thing to consider is that your average English class is too constrained by time and other content to teach the fundamentals. I think we should have a system by which students are evaluated in their linguistic structure and are required to take a composition class in high school.

The problem with the system we have of pushing kids forward is that every year their difficulties are exacerbated because they didn't get the chance to learn the material earlier. I'm not involved in elementary school stuff, so I couldn't say just what they're doing down there.
9/8/2012 5:43:21 PM
student21 says:
i think this is so sad. Personally I believe that kids who are involved in their school are eventually more successful. you learn team building and leadership skills you need for the future. Where are the parent groups? are there no volunteers that could take over these programs? Should maybe the teachers step up as individuals and volunteer to run these programs, independently from their job?
9/8/2012 10:24:13 AM
deluxecustom says:
The teachers can do what the rest of the free world does when they dont like the job or conditions they work under or the pay,find another job. Not what you thought it was going to be? Quit. Find another job. Oh, you cant do anything else? Too bad..People are sick and tired of the crap for and against the workers. 15 hr days..that the funniest thing I have read here yet.Seriously?? Come on..It just gets better.I hope they settle soon before it gets to 20 hr days...
9/8/2012 11:30:07 AM
localdog says:
ranma, my most precious of things are my pets. But anyways...

I agree, teachers are a hardworking bunch. They have to put up with your most precious of things, your kids. Certainly not an easy task, I couldn't do it without turning to alcohol.

In most professions if you don't finish your work today you can do it tomorrow. We don't have to take it home and spend our evenings doing "home work". Teachers have to get it done today because tomorrow they're on to a new lesson. They have to cram years worth of learning in to your kids brains in just a few months. Imagine teaching to a room full of students where a quarter of them just don't get it. It's exhausting and requires a lot of patience, time and support. If teachers didn't care about their students you'd see it in the end results; graduates that can't add or put a sentence together.

If you were a teacher in the 70's-80's at Sherbrooke, Agnew or Churchill, know your hard work was appreciated!
9/8/2012 12:05:15 PM
Sensational HR says:
I was. Yes, it drove me to drink.
9/8/2012 7:40:28 PM
Tom Sanderson says:
Why don't you all let the teachers tell you what it's like to be a teacher. If you are not a teacher you know squat about what a teachers job entails.
It's their issue, not yours so quit whining.
9/8/2012 5:38:41 PM
joey joe joe jr. shabadoo says:
Extracurricular activities?

Take 1/2 the monies from the high school football teams & every group in the school would have enough cash for years to come.

If football players are tough, they can go out & raise thier own funds, or atleast the 1/2 that should be taken & given where needed.

If the schools would make music or photography just as important, we would have a better world!
9/8/2012 9:23:05 PM
baybrewer says:
They do fund raise and they pay to play. Think before you speak please.
9/9/2012 8:47:47 AM
rugerbunny says:
As a student who enjoyed extra curricular activities; I imagine this strike will not affect students as much as one would think. If you want to play basketball with friends, do so - there are many courts around town. But perhaps you can take this year off to improve your grades and concentrate on your studies? My parents hated after school activities because they interfered with homework - and I have to agree. Some clubs and teams meet 2-3 times a week!
9/8/2012 9:47:08 PM
wayne says:
2012/2013 numbers:

194 days of teaching/work per year (minus PD days...minimum of 2)
two months off in the summer
stat/board days off
Christmas break (Dec 22nd return on Jan 7th)
mid-winter break 2013 (March 9th return on March 18th)

Yep, the rough life.
9/8/2012 10:52:44 PM
or$en says:
@ CM Punk says:
thats being the daily paper boy
so cry elsewhere
9/9/2012 12:10:03 AM
or$en says:
@ CM Punk says:
thats being the daily paper boy
so cry elsewhere
9/9/2012 4:32:42 AM
CM Punk says:
@ Wayne, correction my friend.
I take it you included the weekends over the year which equal to 80 days. (over the 10 month school year)
Do not forget the 20 sick days, ten days HS teachers have for exams.
It equals to 161 school days.
Almost 200 days off.
Talk about rough life eh?

The Best in the World.
9/9/2012 8:53:06 AM
MrRodgers says:
Might as well add high school teachers to the sunshine list with the rest of the overworked provincially funded workers. Maybe their checks will bounce in a couple of years and we can start from scratch.
9/9/2012 12:33:43 PM
dandy says:
tiredofit, what a moronic comment to make.. do you realize teachers have to provide the necessites to these kids out of their own pockets such as food and even clothing because their parents don't?? Dont try to be a bigshot and make idiotic comments to that you know NOTHING about little man
9/9/2012 12:44:27 PM
wayne says:
CM Punk, the 194 'working days' comes from the Ministry's web site and does not include weekends. But yes, a rough life indeed given the 20 sick days they can either use or bank.
9/9/2012 2:23:32 PM
CM Punk says:
@Dandy, teachers get their money back from whatever expenses they have with respect to the classroom. what planet are you from?
@MrRodgers, you are not far off.
after then years teachers salary caps just under 97 K
9/9/2012 4:45:41 PM
DougMyers says:
Instead of adding ignorant comments with no factual basis, perhaps you could add something contstructive.

You should research your "facts" prior to posting them. Most of what you have wrote so far is incorrect.

However, your jealousy shines through very well.

I have said it before but here it goes again, if the job is so grand and easy, then why do all the haters not jump on board?

There is a reason why teaching has a 20% drop out rate in the first 5 years of service. It is not all it is cracked up to be.
9/10/2012 1:13:37 PM
Mazda323 says:
Thanks for the correction, localdog. Next time I won't post after I just busted my arse working a midnight shift.
9/10/2012 8:15:33 AM
RealityCheck411 says:
There is an inherent problem with what the McGuinty government, and the majority of you are doing/saying. The Ontario gov't is saying that by graduating high school (and doing well) and then going to university (and doing well) and taking post graduate studies is not worth your time. Most parents wish the best for their children, but by saying teachers are overpaid and they do not deserve the benefits of doing well in school for 9 years (high school + university) you are undermining the system to which our tax dollars pay. Little is gained by eroding the believes that striving for higher education will eventually pay off. The PC's (and now liberals) are following the US philosophy of taking the most important job in a democratic society and making it look as appealing as a Walmart greeter. Many US districts fill teaching jobs with unqualified teachers, who end up being accused of abuse, drug dealing, and/or incompetence because no one else wants the job. Ontario deserves better!
9/11/2012 8:17:51 PM
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