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2012-09-13 at 17:22

Students rally

By Jodi Lundmark, tbnewswatch.com
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Chris Pipher is worried about his education.

The Grade 12 Superior Collegiate and Vocational Institute student was one of a large group of students that walked out of class Thursday to protest the passing of the Putting Students First Act.

The Act, which was passed Tuesday, will freeze education wages, ban strikes and lockouts for two years, force three unpaid days off, stop unused sick days from being cashed out at retirement and cut the annual amount of sick days in half to 10.

Teachers across the province have been rallying against the legislation and said they will take the fight to court if necessary.

Students at SCVI were waving signs of support for teachers and asking passersby to honk in support of the rally outside of the school early Thursday afternoon.

Pipher said he’s concerned how this legislation is making his teachers feel.

“When they’re uncomfortable, our education starts to fall. Why would we want teachers to feel uncomfortable and watch our education fall not learning what we want to learn with our lives?” he said.

He’s also worried about the school’s extracurricular activities; teacher union leaders have issued a warning that they could walk away from those extracurricular sports in protest of the legislation.
If that happens, Pipher said it will affect everyone in a major way.

“Most of our teachers are taking time out of their lives to do this for us, so why would we as students let this fall through? It’s unfair,” he said.

Grade 10 student Paige Skeard said she’s concerned how the cut in sick days will affect teachers.

“We’ve got one teacher getting knee surgery who has to be off of it for four weeks and he’s only getting
10 of (those days) paid,” she said.

Skeard is also worried what will happen to the school’s spirit if sports and other activities aren’t offered this year.

Fellow student Lyndsay Willoughby is also concerned and says this bill will impact everyone in Ontario schools.
“People really like to be on sports teams and if they take that away that’s going to be a big gap in the lives of a lot of people because a lot of people are really dedicated to this,” she said, adding she was glad to come out and support her teachers.

“We think (the bill) is wrong and we want to show our teachers are worth it and we show that we care so that’s why we’re out here,” she said.

Lakehead Public School’s education officer Charlie Bishop said there were no reports of walkouts at any other Thunder Bay school Thursday.

While Bishop said they prefer students stay in class, it is a good thing that, if informed, they voice their opinions on matters like this.

All extracurricular activities are going forward as normal at this time, Bishop added. 

 

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unionbay880 says:
Then the teachers went on strike. Sorry kids.
9/13/2012 5:59:54 PM
TBayBuddha says:
Purple Monkey Dishwasher!
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9/13/2012 6:12:12 PM
blue says:
These students should be given a detention and the teachers should be given a day without pay for allowing this type of thing to take place. Who is running the schools these days ? "While Bishop said they prefer students stay in class" wow there is a comment from the Education Officer !!
I worked for the Board of Education in 1975 when we lost our right to accumulate sick days. Meanwhile the teachers kept theirs. It's about time the teachers were taken in hand. It is becoming out of control, every time their rights are attacked they tell us it will effect the students education. The next thing to stop is the retirees double dipping and going back to teach, while we have dozens of newly qualified teachers who have to go out of town to start theit careers.
9/13/2012 6:32:29 PM
Sui Generis says:
You're aware that as of 16 there is no law requiring students to be there? They're in class voluntarily, and they can leave at will. To top that off, detention for protesting? Are you serious?
9/14/2012 12:02:24 AM
loudmouth101 says:
great to see the kids out with some real spirit. Have your teachers explained to you the legacy costs they are leaving you to pay when you enter the workplace?
9/13/2012 7:18:45 PM
tbayishome says:
Good for these students! Someone needs to remember what an important job teachers have!
9/13/2012 8:42:19 PM
jimmyboy says:
I do believe that my picture which I have posted say's it all and then a whole bunch more.!
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9/13/2012 11:00:15 PM
Wakka_Wakka says:
The funny thing is it's a good probability that more than half these kid's don't even know what they're supporting and are just doing it to be cool with their friends... This is just the school's way of exploiting their students by urging them to jump on the bandwagon and do what the statuesque is doing... What a shameless and immature way to get a message across...
9/13/2012 11:13:53 PM
Glyder says:
Yeah, because all kids are stupid right? What, they magically grow wits and intelligence at some arbitrary age where they learn to think for themselves and can process understanding of current events?

9/14/2012 10:54:32 AM
Chaos says:
Guess who's getting an "A". This act of defiance by the class pets will for sure get notice come report card time. Where did they get the supplies to make the signs?
9/14/2012 2:30:20 AM
Tbaylifer says:
Blue: in Canada we have the right to peaceful protest. If you don't like it you should move to a Communist country were those rights are not there. Secondly, you as a former worker in education should know that the teachers are protesting not a wage hike but for another right of workers and that is to collective barainging. Maybe you should be put in detention and reeducated.
9/14/2012 6:27:57 AM
grandma1 says:
No one told these kids to walk out! Makes me proud to see that the next generation know how to fight for what they beleive in and as for those attacking the teahers for this... I would like to see you try doing their work for one school year!

KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK KIDS ANS THANK YOU FOR SUPPORTING YOUR TEACHERS!
9/14/2012 6:35:31 AM
realitycheck411 says:
Great for these kids. There is an inherent problem with what the McGuinty government, and the public opinion surrounding teachers. The Ontario gov't is implying that by graduating high school and then going to university (and doing very well) and taking post graduate studies is not worth your time. Most parents wish the best for their children, but by saying teachers are overpaid and do not deserve the benefits of doing excellent in school for 9 years, you are undermining the system to which our tax dollars pay. Little is gained by eroding the believes that striving for higher education will eventually pay off. The PC's (and now liberals) are following the US philosophy of taking the most important job in a democratic society and making it look as appealing as a Walmart greeter. Many US districts fill teaching jobs with unqualified teachers, who end up being accused of abuse, drug dealing, and/or incompetence because no one else wants the job due to the pay. Ontario deserves better.
9/14/2012 7:34:23 AM
ALK says:
I have mixed feeling about the students getting involved....it's great they care about their teachers but listening to some of the news clips, you can tell that these kids are just that, kids....they don't really know the details of what's going on. One student went on to say that teachers have sick kids and need to stay home to take care of them....here's a news flash, most of us have kids who get sick. I would love to stay home everytime my kid was sick but guess what, that's just not reality. Depending on the sickness, she goes to her daycare. 10 sick days a year is a lot, and it's definiltey a lot more than the average worker has. I wonder if this student will find a job as an adult with at least 10 paid sick days.....
9/14/2012 8:24:04 AM
xxx says:
All the people complaining about the teachers fail to comprehend that their little jobs are the next ones to get amended by the government, so make all the jokes now because your day will come very very soon!! and the teachers still make a great salary, how about you??
9/14/2012 8:51:33 AM
Really?! says:
I heard this on the radio yesterday and had hoped my children were not part of this rally. As I found out they were not and it was only a handful of kids (like maybe 20) that were not in class, supporting the fact that teachers should be able to be out of class as well for more than 10 sick days a year. I would be angry if I was so sick that I needed more than 3 days off work in a year (especially if I had Christmas vacation, march break and summer off) And kids if someone is truthfully sick for longer than 10 days...well I'm sure the teachers have a benefit package to assist)....WHERE IS THE WORK ETHIC? and this is what we are teaching our kids.
9/14/2012 8:55:14 AM
udecide says:
Once again teachers show their true colors.....
Using kids in their quest for greed. Many parents coach hockey, baseball etc etc after they work full time and " shift work ", but do it for the kids UNLIKE teachers. Time for lay offs for this over paid and under worked group. SAD
9/14/2012 9:00:33 AM
emma says:
Another dumb comment from a teacher hater. 1) Where did it say that the teachers set up this protest? 2) I laugh at your comment about the community coaches doing it for the kids UNLIKE teachers. I'm a high school teacher who coaches 2 or 3 sports a year. What do I do it for, the money? Next time think a little before making idiotic blanket statements about all teachers.
9/14/2012 10:57:27 AM
Tom Sanderson says:
Give it a rest. Everything teachers had was negotiated and agreed upon.
As jealous as some of you may be as to a teachers benefits, this government is union busting and turning into a dictatorship. Just wait until they attack your union, if you belong to one, and knock you back down to the bottom rung of the ladder.
9/14/2012 10:00:48 AM
jay-ded says:
In 1997, students from across Thunder Bay walked out of class to protest the Harris government's cuts to education, and to show support for the teachers. I still remember the sea of students walking down Red River Road towards the government offices on Water Street. We were not told to do so by our teachers...we did it because we were informed (and keep in mind, the internet was not what it is now). Some of the comments on this site are deplorable. Never underestimate the youth of our city - often times, they are far more informed than the adults (as evidenced by the comments above). Good for these students for taking a stand!
9/14/2012 10:41:23 AM
CM Punk says:
Sanderson, you are saying people are jealous when they talk about teachers.
So you underlining agree that the teachers have "envious" benefits when compared to others who work hard and make less.
I totally agree with Blue, the first comment above, the teachers now are taking up space. The ones that are retired go back and take up supply teaching days for new grads.
Union needs to exploit that issue and of course the nepotism that exists in hiring buddies and relatives.
The line is long for fresh new grads who want to teach and I am sure they will take a pay cut.
Why do you think people go into teaching?
Summers off, tons of holidays and great pay after 10 yrs of work.
And for teachers to just stop the extra curricular activities, I am sorry, you are using the students as "pawns."
This Sunday I got my fight against John Cena, I want my title reign to continue.
Don't be a kayfabe teachers, buckle up and do your job.

I am the best in the world.
9/14/2012 10:55:21 AM
TBDR says:
These kids hold a peaceful demonstration (still legal as of today in Canada), raise awareness about what they believe is an issue, and put the spotlight on what has been a developing rift for decades, and some of you have the nerve to bash them for it? Sounds like these students are smarter than most of the supposed adults on this forum.

Congrats students for standing up for what you believe in
9/14/2012 11:21:58 AM
woofwoof says:
I give these students credit for fighting for what they believe in but my question is ..Do they really understand what they were protesting about? I doubt it
9/14/2012 11:22:46 AM
wayne says:
I would think for the public sector, being able to accumulate and bank 20 sick days per year (10 month school year) is way too much.

"You're aware that as of 16 there is no law requiring students to be there? They're in class voluntarily, and they can leave at will."

That's true, but I bet mom and dad would bring their own 'laws' to bear on their kid not attending school. Wouldn't you Sui?
9/14/2012 12:33:28 PM
Paige says:
Surprisingly they didn't mention how we paid for the signs. All of us chipped in whatever change we had and a few people went to dollarama to get markers and Bristol Board. We were NOT told to do this by our teachers, in fact they disagreed with what we were doing. They couldn't stop us because we weren't on school property. Kids aren't as dumb as you think, we understand what's going on, we watch the news, we do our research. Most of us completely understood what we were doing, and I was in full support. People say that teachers make a great salary, but think about it, why don't you try dealing with kids and teens all day, just to go home and mark all their work for hours instead of spending time with your family. We weren't doing anything wrong, it was a peaceful protest. People should be happy we're concerned with what's going on,and not bash us for it.
9/14/2012 1:04:42 PM
youngtbay84 says:
great to see students supporting but they should be in class and find other ways to show support. In my opinion, to be a teacher is caring for kids and helping them to succeed into the future. Some may not be payed so well, but it shouldn't be about that, it should be the reward you get affecting a childs life.
9/14/2012 1:12:15 PM
blue says:
Hey Tbaylifer
You do the math 129 v 8. We can't all be wrong.
9/14/2012 1:17:14 PM
Glyder says:
So you know how to hit the refresh button and hit Agree, over and over. Good for you. You must have learned that in school.
9/14/2012 3:56:02 PM
bttnk says:
1. Students have a right to protest, it is their education and their future.
2. Teachers need to understand that times are changing and the days of un-realistic benefits are over.
3. A legistaltion that bans strikes and lockouts is a potentially slippery slope.
4. Teachers do not have "summers off" as some of you put it, they are not paid in the summer.
5. Those of you who think teachers are over-paid have likely never taught or aren't valuing education nearly enough.
5. Teachers who feel a sense of entitlement because of "the way things used to be" need to wake up and stop listening to their union talking points. The public is growing tired of it.

Lastly, Thunder Bay citizens seem to have a troubling disrespect for teachers and the education system that needs to be corrected. These people are with our kids as much or more than us parents are. It is in our best interest to make sure they are getting a fair and equatable deal.
9/14/2012 1:31:51 PM
tiredofit says:
1:Students do have the right to protest them and I applaud their efforts.
2: Teachers need to work in the real world 12 months a year, no OT after 44 hours, only two weeks off a year.
3: Teachers should be deemed an essential service, plain and simple.
4: Most teachers I know have the summer off and enjoy it, they are paid GOOD money for the 10 months that they do work, I went to school just as long as they did, I make the same, for 12 months work and 3 weeks off and 3 sick days a year.
5: They should and do need to grow up, it's not the way it used to be, we don't have the money any more, mainly due to high salaries.

Most teachers I know have this sense of "entitlement" that they need/deserve the time off etc.. because they have to put up with our kids (welcome to the real world, you signed up for it folks, it's part of the gig).
The kids I've seen lately, can't spell or write worth a dam any more, who's fault is that? The education system, that's who. All of you.
9/14/2012 4:09:43 PM
Dan Fiorito says:
Bttnk, I was taught that respect was something that's earned. If they want my respect and I would venture to guess most others respect, they need to earn it. If I recall it was a teacher a long time ago that taught me that one. Mr George Campbell if I recall correctly.

I agree they need a fair deal, but it has to take into account current economic times. We just can't afford to keep giving and giving. They need to give a little as well. If that means they can't bank and carry over sick days, so be it, many have given this luxury up. Don't use them loose them. However most will simply take them because they have them.
9/14/2012 5:01:30 PM
Monkeypants2.5 says:
Grade 10 student Paige Skeard said she’s concerned how the cut in sick days will affect teachers.
“We’ve got one teacher getting knee surgery who has to be off of it for four weeks and he’s only getting
10 of (those days) paid,” she said.
They can use sick time, vacation time and then they would have to look at employment insurance options if they apply. Welcome to the real world. I guess this student has not been “educated” in how the rest of the world (read private sector) works and expects that just because someone needs/wants time off, the employer (read us taxpayers) is expected to pay for it. While I feel sorry for anyone put in this position that is the way it works unfortunately.
9/14/2012 4:07:33 PM
CM Punk says:
@BTTNK, you are wrong, point no. 4 is incorrect
teachers are paid over the summer.
they are paid a salary which is divided by 26 payments, one every two weeks.
get your facts straight buddy.
9/14/2012 6:35:32 PM
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