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2012-09-14 at 17:31

Educated rally: teachers, supporters fight Putting Students First Act

By Jeff Labine, tbnewswatch.com

Education workers say they’re out to teach the minority Liberal-led government a lesson.

More than a dozen teachers and support staff protested outside the offices of MPPs Bill Mauro (Lib., Thunder Bay – Atikokan) and Michael Gravelle (Lib., Thunder Bay – Superior North). MPPs returned to the legislature a week early in order to debate the controversial Putting Students First Act, which many have argued violates education workers’ right to bargain.

The legislation, which passed last week, forces education unions to reach a deal by Aug. 31. The deal would freeze education wages, ban strikes and lockouts for two years, force three unpaid days off, stop unused sick days from being cashed out at retirement and cut the annual amount of sick days in half to 10.

It’s based on an agreement reached earlier in the summer with the Ontario English Catholic Teachers Association.

Many who attended the rally called the legislation “draconian” and “wrong.”

Patricia Lambert has taught for 43 years and isn’t a stranger at a rally. She said the trend politicians are setting has her concerned about the wellbeing for unions.

“It’s not about teachers it’s about union breaking,” Lambert said. “I have children who are teachers and I want them to feel good about their profession. I have grandchildren who will be in the system too.”

Lambert said the government is first attacking the teachers but then will go on to attack police, firefighters, nurses and any other union.

Ellen Chambers, local president of the Elementary Teachers Federation, said the government is going to learn their lesson when the unions go back to the polls.

“We’re going to do everything in our power to make sure they know that we’re not happy and we’re going to keep it up until the next election,” Chambers said. “The lesson will come at the next election because we won’t be voting for Liberals again.”

She called the bill a slap in the face and hurt all the efforts teachers and support workers have done to support the Liberals. Premier Dalton McGuinty had promised to honour collective bargain but Chambers said he has since gone back on his word.

Gravelle said the decision to vote in the bill wasn’t politically motivated.

“We’re in different times and we’re not in the same circumstances we were six, or seven years ago where we can provide the kinds of benefits they expect,” Gravelle said. “I asked the teachers to try their best to understand that though I am conscious of their strong level of anger. We have a huge deficit and we need to take the kinds of measures we have to make sure students can be assured that the school year will continue without any interruption.”

Many have criticized the actions of the government in handling the situation saying they wanted to gain favour in the two by-elections in southern Ontario. Gravelle said that simply isn’t true.

Gravelle also attended the rally and didn’t shy away from the many protesters who voiced their opposition to the local MPP. He said he knows that the relationship between the government and the union is on shaky ground but hoped to one-day repair the relationship.

But it wasn’t only education workers who voiced out against the decision.

A large group of Grade 12 Superior Collegiate and Vocational Institute students rallied in opposition to the bill earlier this week.

Paul Caccamo, Thunder Bay-based president of Ontario Secondary School Teachers Federation District 6A who represents about 300 members, said he understands the student’s frustrations and knows that students look forward to being able to do extracurricular activities that are run by volunteers.

Sue Doughty-Smith, president of Education Assistants, said the bill affects them the same as teachers except the salary level.

“I think it’s terrible that we have had all those rights taken away,” Doughty-Smith said. “We weren’t even talking strike votes. We weren’t in any position to even go out of the normal realms of negotiations. I’m not sure where this came from. It’s devastating and a horrible thing to do to all workers.”

She said she hopes the government and the local MPPs listen to this protest and know that they are angry.


 

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Ed itw says:
Could you imagine if the Head of a large company such as Bell Canada publicly stated that he wasn't going to support the party they backed in the last election because the Government didn't do things his way.
9/14/2012 6:14:56 PM
CM Punk says:
I am not going go on and on about the teachers as its been said to death on here.
The public knows the "green pastures" teachers live and their working conditions.
Yesterday the students protested and today these teachers used a day instead to be at local MPP offices and protest.

And teachers, if next election you vote for Hudak is all together anti union, you are more done then last years turkey dinner.
I leave for my ppv match set for Sunday against John Cena, a company man.

The Best in the World
Everyone is feeling the pinch, its about time teachers feel it too.
And give me a break, the teacher TBT interviewed about the working conditions they face everyday.
What about health care workers? I think they face far worse then future sunshine list teachers.
9/14/2012 6:31:25 PM
Dontlistentome says:
Do you slip in and out of consciousness when you're typing. Your post makes both sense and none all at the same time. Some teacher must have really failed you along the lines.
9/14/2012 8:48:36 PM
Realitycheck411 says:
Dear CM Punk:

I wonder if you really understand the "green pastures" that teachers work in. How many nurses you know, when their 12 hour shift is done, goes and freely does "extra curricular" activities with the sick? The same could be said about doctors. Police officers, shift ends, home time.

The truth is the employer (the school boards) didn't even have a chance to bargain with their employees (the teachers). The province of Ontario is a fund provider for education, not the employer. So when McGuinty and his Education Minister tell you the teachers/unions bargained in wrong faith, they are legally wrong. As they, the province, are not the employer. As such, to the demise of the liberals, and all Ontarioians, McGuinty will lose a legal battle that he (we) will cost Ontario hundreds of millions.

90% of the public hates teachers. We all know that. But don't slame teachers, when they, respond to pay/benefit cuts by refraining from something they did off the clock for free.
9/15/2012 12:08:20 AM
waterunderthebridge says:
Northern Wood Preservers, Great West Timber, 2 Abitibi mills, Red Rock, White River all shut down - roll backs in wages and benefits at Resolute - Province of Ontario in big deficit - but I guess that doesnt matter to our teachers - we want our money and we want it now and you better not screw with us. It doesnt matter what is going on in the province, country or the world - we are in our world. It is especially ironic that of the two boards of education the one that settled and isnt protesting has the lower academic standings.
9/14/2012 6:35:35 PM
Dontlistentome says:
That is not irony, but besides that, your fact is wrong. The catholic board settled and they have allegedly the higher ranking. If you buy into that propaganda
9/14/2012 8:51:48 PM
waterunderthebridge says:
Sorry - I had meant to say the higher academic standard - that was my point - once again I apologize - my point was that the radical people who feel that their poor rights are being violated in the midst of a whole community rife with layoffs and plant closures - are the ones that cant seem to get their poor students to learn to at least the provincial standard.
9/15/2012 3:52:57 PM
Correction says:
To waterunderthebridge... and those who agree with this statement - It was the catholic board who signed the agreement and it was the Catholic board who had the higher standards. Make sure you know your facts before posting.
9/15/2012 1:46:09 PM
Carl says:
Its really important to know the fact before making false accusations! Teachers are not fighting for money, they were all willing to take the pay freeze. What they are fighting for, are for labour rights!
9/15/2012 2:23:06 PM
NWOzarks says:
What's the difference between a teacher and a bottomless money pit? Not a helluva lot!
9/14/2012 6:45:22 PM
Carl says:
I can't believe you think of teachers in such a degrading way! They play such an influential role in the lives of children and you speak of teachers as if they are meaningless!
9/14/2012 9:14:42 PM
chezhank says:
It is about time the government took a stand against unions who make a living from the public purse....be it doctors,teachers ,police,firewomen or civic workers.
Now for Thunder Bay city "clowncil" will wake up!
The private sector cannot sustain the public sector.

9/14/2012 7:37:28 PM
Random says:
I'll be the first to say i'm not too thrilled with the direction unions took over the last few decades, all militant,but keep in mind it is unions and what they accomplished in the past that brought us the standard of pay/employment rights we for the most part enjoy and TAKE FOR GRANTED today. People quickly forget that.
I'll also wager that most of the people here who slam teachers don't have children, or are of the type that don't really give a crap about what goes on in the schools.
20 sick days seems alot, unless you take into account no long term/short term disability, and the constant exposure to the cocktail of germs kids bring into the school...its sorta like working in a hospital enviroment sometimes.
Are all teachers worth the money they get paid? No, but neither are all doctors, and we have no issues paying them hundreds of thousands of dollars, publicly funded of course. Some of you here need to find a new drum to beat.
9/15/2012 1:50:24 AM
jasper says:
i dont agree with the way the government is dealing with the teachers but maybe by freezing wages and not paying out banked sick days we won't have teachers sticking around for 43 years. just retire already, collect your comfortable pension and give someone else a chance at a profession.
9/14/2012 7:59:13 PM
trevor99 says:
I have a message for the Premier and his gov't. Tell the teachers that you will remove the strike portion of this bill that offends them. Funny that they say they weren't in position to strike, had no plans to strike yet hate the fact that they can't strike for two years.

Take back the huge raises they had over the last 8 years.

Cancel full day kindergarten in Ontario and lay off hundreds of teachers.

Increase class sizes to the former limits under Mike Harris and make them work harder and then see their reaction.

they say this is about kids and then take away extra curricular activiites from kids. What hypocrites to suggest this isn't about money. It is always about money. I get they might be upset but they had it pretty good for the past 8 years. Other teacher unions took the deal, so sign on and make your words mean more than hot air and put kids first. 75-90 grand is not bad for a wage. Besides, where did they find the time to protest with all of that marking they do
9/14/2012 8:44:06 PM
Fluffy says:
Big Daddy Dalton already got the Provincial Police. They are on a 3 yr wage freeze. I'm sure the tax man won't care if he's not re-elected. He will walk away with a gigantic pension which I'm sure will never be cut.
9/14/2012 9:20:38 PM
wow! says:
Ok, simple: UNIONS has NO more power. Unions are only good to collect union fees!
9/15/2012 12:14:38 AM
NDP says:
Where are you people getting these numbers from? I've heard some idiots spout that teachers make "on average $100,000 a year".



In Ontario, a teacher with four years of education makes from $37,000 to $62,000. For a teacher with six years education (basically, a Masters degree), that number jumps up to a whopping maximum of $73,000. And even then, that's only after years of experience.

That salary is pretty average and definitely not excessive. Then when you factor in all the extra, unpaid work they do volunteering for extracurriculars, staying after school to help struggling students, at-home marking and preparing lesson plans and assignments and tests, not to mention having to deal with the snot-nosed punks that you failed to raise and discipline properly, hell, I say teachers deserve a lot more.

I hope to hell that whatever batch of teachers cultivated the vapid minds of the morons commenting regularly on here are long retired.
9/15/2012 12:36:02 AM
workforaliving says:
Teachers are failing our children right now, by using them as pawns to get more! Leave our kids out of this and fight your own battles! Many volunteer their time for youth activities and only expect the reward of seeing them be happy and healthy. Allowing our children to leave classes without ALL the facts is ridiculous!
9/15/2012 2:17:57 AM
lori says:
fluffy, it is okay to debate stuff and to disagree with what the gov't is doing.

But for the 100th time on this site. MPP's in Ontario DO NOT GET a pension. But don't worry, our two NDP MP's will get one for life after these four years in Ottawa are over. I will sleep better at night knowing they are set for life, after all they have brought to our region.

There was................
And then there was..................
And who can forget.....................
And lastly..................


Anyhow on this topic itself, are you suggesting that the cops and the teachers should get another raise?

I feel not one gov't worker should get a raise and anyone over a certain level should probably be clawed back a little.
9/15/2012 5:40:57 AM
Fluffy says:
I'm not much of a debater. I just don't like politicians. I thought they got a big pension after 4 yrs or something like that?
9/15/2012 7:59:42 PM
Tbaylifer says:
I find it amusing that in a Democratic society those that are against the teachers are supporting a dictator. Workers have the right to collective bargaining. By taking that away we are moving to a dictatorship. Why isn't anyone complaining about those that work in the education system that receive a higher pay but educate on one? Teachers should make more then a mill worker. Non union workers have always cried when unionized workers stand up for their rights. Keep crying, maybe it will help bring back the forest industry.
9/15/2012 8:31:37 AM
Delbert Grady says:
Hard to believe I would defend Dalton here, but this action is far from a dictatorship.

This isnt about union busting. Unions are still free to collectively bargain. However unions that hold the government hostage are no longer being permitted to do so.

If you want to walk out of your job, go do it in the private sector, but if you want the government to pay you, dont cry when they demand you actually work for your pay.

Non union workers as well as the public complain about teachers because their wages and other ridiculous demands are holding the children hostage and directing the taxpayers to pay their ransom.

As far as Im concerned their should be no unions involved in public sector employment. None. You want government money? You work for it.

but in the end I have to laugh. The teachers union got McGuinty re-elected and now theyre getting worked over. I say good, now you know why everyone else didnt vote for him.

It looks good on you.
9/15/2012 11:06:54 AM
baor says:
You are so wrong (as usual). Unions have always used whatever they could as leverage...including the private sector. Whether the union is public or private they have the right by law to bargain in good faith. This government has most certainly "busted" this union... accept a wage freeze, no walk-outs, no work to rule, removal of past negotiated (by both sides) clauses without discussion or bargaining.. THEN write a law ordering the union to accept it in our house of government!! Sounds like a union busting and dictatorial government to me.
I hope the union and any others that are forced by an act of law to work without any bargaining or negotiation take this to court...and win. However, blowhards like you, chezhank, steven and others are miserable when people who chose to work for the public sector get paid and have a good life. Make better decisions in your next life.
I have never received one cent from the private sector but this is just wrong.
9/15/2012 7:21:44 PM
chezhank says:
Figured you were a public sector worker living off the public purse!
The government is finally realizing what I have been saying all along.....freeze public sector wages.
Unfortunately it has taken them so long to react......they will now have to cut wages or as is happening now, eliminate jobs.
9/16/2012 12:49:44 PM
baor says:
Typo on my part...meant to write "public".
9/17/2012 2:12:20 AM
CM Punk says:
Lambert says its about union breaking, I know of other unions that have agreements without the intervention of government.
Chambers just cut her own throat by saying her union won't vote Liberal again.
Are you sure you speak for all of ETFO?
I would like to ask Chambers. Who will you vote for next election? Then remind her what that party did to the teachers when they were in power.
Get bigger coffee mug and put Bailey's in it.

The Best in the World
9/15/2012 8:50:49 AM
CM Punk says:
NDP username.
those numbers are old for sure.
look up school boards specifically and you can download the collective agreement with the salary grid.
you are probably basing it on an AO or A1 pay scale.
teachers after 10 years under an A3 or A4 pay grid are just under the sunshine list.
9/15/2012 11:12:56 AM
NDP says:
The numbers listed are from 2003-2004. Doubtless the salaries have increased since then, but so has the cost of living. If you compare the salary of a teacher to the average Canadian salary, they make slightly above that. And I'd hope that teachers who have 10+ years experience make more.

One thing's for sure, they're not living high off the hog as many comments here suggest.
9/15/2012 12:39:11 PM
ComradeLeninHiawathaZwig says:
Almost no one is in A0 or A1. You're only in A1 if you don't get assessed based on your qualifications. These are some more current numbers, straight out of a collective agreement last year:



The 'Group 4' would be people who have a master's degree or higher and who are highly specialised. There is some varience between boards, of course. But really? Highly educated people making more money? Is that not the practical purpose of increasing one's qualifications?

If every teacher had a BA and nothing else, you'd probably complain that they don't know anything. But when you have qualified people, you don't want to compensate them fairly. As NDP pointed out, taking into account the cost of living and also taking into account inflation, real wages have not gone up by that much.
9/15/2012 4:52:02 PM
kappa says:
And you are jealous CM Punk that you are not on the sunshine list, lol
9/15/2012 12:58:31 PM
kappa says:
I cant believe the Hicks here who dont realize that the government is trying to eventually eliminate all unions, but you are all concerned with the teachers, get a clue morons
9/15/2012 1:01:34 PM
kappa says:
wow!, unions are useless?? i cant wait till u lose your minimum wage job..
9/15/2012 1:03:14 PM
Kam River says:
Teacher using children as pawns:
If the teacher do not want to do "extra curricular" activities with the students. Then maybe we should take away.
(1) Two Months paid holidays
(2) Two weeks paid holidays at Christmas
(3) Two weeks paid holidays at March Break
(4) Paid Easter Holidays
(5) All the other paid days off they get

Use the money that we would save to hire people who care about our children to do the "extra curricular" and we would save thousand of dollars at each school.
9/15/2012 4:33:28 PM
tbayishome says:
You are aware that statment is incorrect right?
As I understand it, teachers pay is spread out over the entire year. Therefore they make less than their usual wage all year in order to have an income throughout the summer. And are people who are employed on a full time basis not entitled to Vacation Days??
I have several friends who are teachers. One in particular is an extremely dedicated teacher of young children. She is back in the school weeks before school starts getting her classroom ready. She spends several hours each day prepping activities and assisting with extra curicular activities. All because she wants to give her students a quality education. This is not to mention the fact that she is not provided with money to bake or craft with her young kids. Where do you think this money comes from??? Out of the pockets of teachers. That's where!
This hatred towards teachers is sickening.
We all need to step back and remember what this is really about.
9/16/2012 4:25:36 AM
wayne says:
By the numbers (recent numbers):

New teachers in Ontario start at around $41,000 to $44,000, depending on the board. [not bad for two months off and all the stat/board paid holidays and 20 sick days they can bank]

Salaries for teachers in Ontario top out at $95,000 [not including perks]

Over the past eight years, teacher salaries rose by 34%.

Under the current sick-day system, the retirement-time perk adds up to roughly the cost of a full-time new position (minus the cost of substitutes).

Ontario teachers get 20 paid days per year. If they don’t take them, they can bank up to 200 of those days and cash them out at 50 per cent of their salary at retirement, amounting to a maximum of $46,000.

Yep, the rough life paid by us taxpayers.
9/15/2012 4:47:57 PM
CM Punk says:
@Kappa, I am a teacher actually. :)

the best in the world.
9/15/2012 10:56:07 PM
CM Punk says:
Comrad is right.
If you graduate with a BA and BEd degree you are placed on a A2 or A3, take two course and you are A4 starting at around 47k and cap at just under 98. depending on the board you work for.
9/15/2012 11:08:22 PM
yqtyqt says:
Well, well. The teachers are now upset with Dalton McGuinty. Lets not forget that Dalton McGuinty is in power because political lobby groups like the Woking Families Coalition (WFC) fought very hard and spent their own money putting him in power.

Now we all know that the WFC is largely comprised of the public sector unions including the teachers, CUPE, and other governments workers.

It comes as no surprise to those who have been calling for an end to McGuintys government, that the Premier has duped, lied, and fleeced Ontarians for close to a decade. There is plenty of evidence to support this fact. But what makes this unique (and someone enjoyable) is that he has fleeced and lied to those who have put him in power.

Most Ontarians also realize that the spending frenzy that he is on, is not sustainable. Now its time to repay $1/4 trillion worth in debts.

Sorry teachers you've had a good run with dalton doling out cash to all govt employees. Lets get back to reality




9/16/2012 8:29:01 AM
wayne says:
NDP, yes, the cost of living has increased over the past 8 years. But I don't believe it has risen 34% like the teacher salaries in Ontario over the past 8 years.

Average Ontario teacher salary (for 10 months of work) is $83,500.

Average F/T salary in Ontario (12 month work period) is $25,000 less than the teacher salary average.
9/16/2012 12:36:39 PM
blue says:
The sad part is teachers keep educating themselves to obtain higher salaries, but are still allowed to teach at grade three level. It's time they were paid for the level they teach at.
9/16/2012 11:22:01 PM
NorthernGuy says:
I will try to post this again.

The one key elemment that is being missed here is how Ms. Lambert is clearly an NDP supporter. This is nothing short of agenda advertising by this individual. You can tell by her misleading sign and the orange t-shirt she decided to wear to this event.

Oddly enough the sign she is holding up is very inaccurate.

Northern NDP and traditional Conservatives outside of heightened NDP syupport for unions are VERY smilialr. Nothern NDP supporters (like conservatives) never talk about environmental initiatives, rarely talk about minority rights (gay rights, First Nation rights, immigration policy and social indicators). Northern NDP supporters are much different that NDP supporters in BC, Quebec and the GTA where social issues are top of their agenda. In Thunder Bay the NDP support is ALL about unions.

9/17/2012 1:08:07 PM
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