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2012-09-16 at 11:42

Money for nothing?

By Jeff Labine, tbnewswatch.com
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Global Sticks offered the world ice cream and corn dog sticks, tongue depressors and paint paddles.

The company’s offer came with an opportunity for the region – local jobs for a sector that’s been beaten down by the economy for more than a decade.

But with financial and wood supply challenges, so far the company has not been able to deliver the jobs to this region. With a $1.32 million investment from the Northern Ontario Heritage Corporation Fund, $2.9 million form the Forest Sector Loan Guarantee Program and a $787,000 grant from the Forest Sector Prosperity Fund, that failure to provide jobs has left many with bitter taste in their mouth.

After 80 layoffs and a bankruptcy protection filing this summer, many tax payers have begun to question the legitimacy of the government programs that provided the company with millions of dollars in investments.

But even with this story of failure hanging over the region, programs like the NOHFC are praised by the government, provincial opposition members and industry leaders alike for its ability to generate opportunity and jobs.

MPP Michael Gravelle (Lib., Thunder Bay – Superior North) says the Global Sticks story is not common and that the majority of NOHFC recipients have been successful.

“There’s no question that there have been more successes than failures,” Gravelle says. “Some of the challenges that we have had with some of the projects that have been unsuccessful at this stage have tended to be in the private sector.

“Some of those projects have been more difficult and there’s a tendency to pay more attention to them. Around 90 to 95 per cent of the projects have been successful in creating jobs. That’s why I’m glad to talk about the good news stories because they tend to get lost in the shuffle.”

On average, the NOHC fund receives around 100 applications every month. Of those applicants, around 60 per cent are approved.

Gravelle says the NOHC has probably the biggest influence in terms of job creation in Northern Ontario.

Since the Liberals formed government back in 2003, Gravelle says they have been able to create or retain Northern Ontario investments and creating 17,000 jobs.

The three most arguably well-known projects in the community that received NOHC funding include the REACH building at Confederation College, the Thunder Bay Port Authority and Prince Arthur’s Landing.
Gravelle says it just shows how versatile the funding is.

“A fund that began at $30 million and has risen to $60 million and our government through our northern members has managed to persuade government and our premier to increase that fund to $100 million,” he says,

“The next stage will be moving on to $110 million.”

MPP Michael Mantha (NDP, Algoma – Manitoulin) critic of Northern Development and Mines says the criteria for taking in applicants is too narrow, but overall has little to say against the NOHFC program.

“It’s working to my understanding quite well,” Mantha says. “Can we improve it? Of course we can. There’s some particular projects that would really be beneficial to the North if they came under the umbrella of the ONHF in regards to forestry and mining. Those particular applications are excluded from NOHC funding.”

Michel Lavoie, spokesman for the Ministry of Northern Development and Mines, says applicants have to go through a strict process when they receive funding.

The review process can take several months depending on the complexity of the project but there are no set time frames.

“There’s a follow up done usually by the Ministry of Northern Development and Mines staff,” Lavoie says. “They do site visits, we have financial officers who follow up with the legal agreements and if it is a loan, then they look into the loan repayments. There is follow up and site visits.”

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advocate says:
Global Sticks was a bad investment.

But there have been many great investments. In particular, the internship programs. They allow young professionals out of school to gain valuable experience so they can be more employable.

So do not throw the baby out with the bath water on this one.
9/16/2012 12:15:43 PM
The Beaver..... says:
Michel Lavoie, spokesman for the Ministry of Northern Development and Mines, says applicants have to go through a strict process when they receive funding.
Like Global Sticks and fine Paper..I want Gravelle out of there and not be in charge of my Tax Dollars
Enough is enough...the failure rate is way too high.
9/16/2012 12:46:12 PM
anon says:
Money for nothing, so the sticks are free?
9/16/2012 1:05:41 PM
wayne says:
Gravelle says, "Some of the challenges that we have had with some of the projects that have been unsuccessful at this stage have tended to be in the private sector."

Which is why our tax dollars should not be wasted on the private sector!

Speaking of wasted tax dollars, the TBay CEDC receives $800K in annual operating funds from City coffers to attract new businesses, and develop and implement strategies to support the retention, sustainability and expansion of new and existing businesses. What success stories have they generated?

And let's not forget RegenMed. They reportedly have until the end of September to find alternate funding to stay afloat. On August 27th, Timbits reported that City officials would be meeting with Minister of Health and Long Term Care Deb Matthews on Sept. 11th to discuss RegenMed as well as other health-related issues. Not sure if that meeting took place. No news is good news?
9/16/2012 1:41:40 PM
tannharr says:
"Thunder Bay needs jobs!" we say. "Northwestern Ontario needs jobs!" we say. "Why isn't the government doing anything to create jobs?" we say. Then we say, "don't use my tax dollars to help bring jobs to our communities". What the hell do you want? Jobs aren't created from thin air, or from a money tree! The money has to come from somewhere! As with ALL business ventures, most succeed, but some do fail. Not everything can be a success! If you don't try, nothing will ever change! Global Sticks could have possibly been the big forestry turnaround this area has needed! We wouldn't know that until we try! Wayne, let's see you come up with private money to start a business that's big enough to make a huge impact on Thunder Bay's forestry industry! You have 18 months to do it...........GO!!!
9/17/2012 1:52:51 PM
wayne says:
correction: CEDC annual net operating budget is $921k. Not bad for two major business failures (Global Sticks and Tornado Medical). CEDC reportedly invested time and money over 41 months on the Global Sticks venture alone.
9/16/2012 2:42:28 PM
The Beaver..... says:
The three most arguably well-known projects in the community that received NOHC funding include the REACH building at Confederation College, the Thunder Bay Port Authority and Prince Arthur’s Landing.Non of them are in the Private sector.If he was working for one of the Banks he would have been kicked out a long time ago.He is nothing but a Behind sucking Spin Doctor.He has to go..The sooner people understand the game that he and the Liberals are playing the sooner we will have accountability..

9/16/2012 2:48:36 PM
Arch Stanton says:
These type of situations happen the world over...

Politicians typically have a very short shelf-life, usually 4-5 years.

To gain re-election they need to be seen to be getting big things done quickly... in reality most ab-initio projects would be barely off the ground within that timescale.

Enter various businesses, departments and third parties offering 'get rich quick' schemes; invariably with huge price-tags and minimal oversights.

By the time the financial chickens come home to roost, the politicos have moved onwards, upwards or outwards and everyone else is left pointing fingers and wondering where the money all went.
9/16/2012 3:15:01 PM
Chaos says:
"REACH building at Confederation College, the Thunder Bay Port Authority and Prince Arthur’s Landing" - to me these are all finacial liabilities to tax payers. None will generate income to cover the capital or ongoing expenses. Not even close. So we spend tax payer dollars to create something that doesn't generate income but has to be funded by generations of taxpayers - No thanks Mr. Gravelle. Self fullfilling indeed. NOHCF / CEDC and all other pick winners gov't programs have to stop or we will all be speaking greek.
9/16/2012 4:24:37 PM
CM Punk says:
Didn't Gravelle give monies to Buchanen as well and also forgave him for the stumpage fees which were in the millions as well?
Yeah, with that and the Global sticks, I guess the money is for nothing.
Just like the Dire Straits song.
Only the chicks are not free.
9/16/2012 5:55:59 PM
sudbury yahoo says:
I'd feel better about NOHFC if Bartolucci and the Liberals didn't use it as a pre-election slush fund for hair dressers and bakeries in their ridings.
9/16/2012 8:34:46 PM
jimmyboy says:
Only in Thunder Bay do the politicians have a very long shelf life "Arch Stanton"...Gravelle and Mauro are prime examples as are the old familiar faces sitting around the table at city hall.!

This is what happens when you only get a turn out of 48% of those eligible to vote...or they simply vote on name recognition alone.!

I agree totally with wayne's posts...were is the accountability...it is no where too be found in these types of scenarios.!

GRAVELLE is right on one thing...the versatility of the funding...as a prime example they funded a local business persons desire to open up a progy factory to the tune of $225,000...yup you did read that correctly.??? as well for a local storage facility to expand their operation!!! yes again you did read that correctly as well.!!!

With a 60 per cent loan/grant approval rating for these hair brained so called business's that are going to create new jobs here...how wise really is your government with your tax dollars.?

NOT VERY is my answer
9/17/2012 7:43:03 AM
jb says:
What's a progy?
9/17/2012 1:57:12 PM
SomeGuy says:
No one ever hears the success just the failures, and if you only hear one side you get the half the facts.

9/17/2012 8:41:26 AM
SideWinder Joe says:
So these projects are DOA now?
Many are wondering... what now?
Ontario cannot afford these mistakes.
Kryptic explanations failure is not enough.
Everyone that pays tax will suffer.

Popsicle sticks is not rocket science!
Our lost dollars make some people rich.
There needs to be accountability here.
9/17/2012 10:55:59 AM
kappa says:
Doesn't any1 see what the government is trying to do?? by eliminating the middle class you are left with the people with lots of $ and those who are destitute. Can anyone say depression of 2013+??
9/17/2012 11:54:19 AM
gone for good says:
jimmyboy says:

This is what happens when you only get a turn out of 48% of those eligible to vote...or they simply vote on name recognition alone.!

And that is why these poiticians are still in. The least useless of the three.
9/17/2012 1:24:41 PM
animiki says:
The Liberals, when they assumed power in 2003 changed the NOHFC to allow funding of private sector projects. This was a profoundly serious mistake. The previous Conservative government (which certainly had done lots to deserve criticism and a loss of votes) did get one thing right--the government should NEVER fund private sector projects. Frankly, if a private sector project can't get funding from a bank or other investors, then it's probably not a good subject for funding at all. Public sector projects are fine; small capital projects, like new fire trucks for volunteer FDs, improvements to community centers, or even larger projects like the Regional Research Institute are great (the latter set the stage for private sector businesses to set up shop). Direct funding to the private sector though--no way. The government should help the private sector by ensuring a good business climate, favorable tax regime, good infrastructure, etc. and that's it.
9/17/2012 2:08:35 PM
bttnk says:
If every project undertaken to stimulate jobs and growth in NW Ontario were to be successful life would be grand wouldn't it. Embrace the program and understand that not every project can work.
9/17/2012 2:23:34 PM
wayne says:
tannharr, only 18 months? Global Sticks had 41+ months....lol
9/17/2012 4:31:38 PM
eastender says:
If tax dollars are going to fund private sector industry, then why is not the taxpayer entitled to the profits that are generated by that private industry. Better yet if, your going to invest in industry, it might as well be a government corporation, and owned by the taxpayer. And we know how those types of endeavours work out dont we? The obvious answer is private industry, private dollars. No taxpayer dollars. If its viable, Investors will trip over themselves to get in. READ MY LIPS. NO MORE TAXES.
9/17/2012 4:49:30 PM
SomeGuy says:
The government recovers money through, unemployment tax, CPP contributions, corporate income tax, sales tax and property taxes.

The more people I am able to employ the more taxes are generated. So the tax payer does get a share from the profits. Now you don't get a direct share you get a share through the government using the money for schools, roads, health care etc...
9/18/2012 11:03:03 PM
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