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2012-09-24 at 19:46

Dire straits

By Leith Dunick, tbnewswatch.com
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The Salvation Army of Thunder Bay is facing a dire crisis, says Major Mervyn Halvorsen.

Their Cumberland Street headquarters is crumbling around them, and will have to be replaced within the next decade or the city could wind up with one less men’s shelter as well as the other programs offered by the international charity. The facility has 42 beds at present, with the ability to add three more in peak times.

Halvorsen on Monday gave city council a heads-up, noting he doesn’t have a specific dollar ask at this time, but will be turning to the city at some point to help cover the cost of either a new facility or a renovated existing building.

“We cannot do it alone,” Halvorsen told council in a brief deputation.

The organization is leaning toward a new building, one that might allow it to offer expanded services to the community, including addiction and detox for men and women, corrections services for women, women’s emergency, family, youth and no-barrier shelters and transitional housing.

Halvorsen said it’s simply too cost prohibitive to renovate the existing building, which has housed the Salvation Army for the past 41 years.

The building is much older than that, he pointed out, noting it was a hotel prior to the Salvation Army taking it over four decades ago, and was once owned by the railroad.

“It’s a very old building and there are other issues that we have to constantly keep on top of to maintain the building open. That alone is taking a lot of money, which takes money away from ongoing programming and what we can actually do for the people,” he said.

“The purpose of coming to city council tonight is to give them a heads up that we are in dire straits. We do need to move ahead, or else if we don’t, the doors will close.”

His timeline to be in a new – or new-to-them – facility is within the next five to eight years. The current building, which is actually five separate buildings pieced together, is facing major plumbing problems and the prospect of having to rip up a terrazzo floor to fix them. The foundation is also cracking.

And, Halvorsen said, he’s been warned that digging into those problems will likely uncover even costlier repairs.

They simply can’t afford it, he said, noting a capital fundraising campaign, private donors and help from the Salvation Army’s national governing body will likely be needed to ensure a smooth transition into a new facility. A budget has yet to be set, he added.

Council questioned Halvorsen briefly after his deputation, offering plenty of suggestions of where he might turn for help, also trying to pin down a dollar amount he might come to the city for down the road.

None suggested the help won’t be coming, though none was officially offered either.

Coun. Aldo Ruberto sympathized with the situation the organization is facing.

“I have been to your facility and I don’t know how you do it,” Ruberto said. “I certainly see the need is long overdue.”

In addition to the shelter, the Salvation Army operates a nightly soup van to feed the hungry and has played a central role in providing relief to victims of the May 28 flood and sewage back-up disaster that struck Thunder Bay.

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bearcub says:
The Salvation Army mens hostel charges a fee for the people residing there.
They run two stores and trying to compete with the high costs at Value Village I have noticed quiet the jump in store prices. The "auctions" that are held at the stores brings in a much higher dollar value than what the items are worth.
A lot of money and donations passed through their fingers when the flood occured in May, so where is this money?
9/24/2012 8:31:44 PM
TBDR says:
the money was given to the thunder bay flood fund... where have you been?
9/25/2012 12:00:03 AM
Sui Generis says:
The money Salvation Army received during the flood was then donated by them to the Disaster Relief Fund.
9/25/2012 12:23:37 AM
Lally says:
I can't believe such ignorant comments. Shelter House charges for people staying there too. Do you want to audit them as well? Do you really think the pittance charged covers the cost of food, clothing, heat, electricity, property taxes and staff? The money they raise through their thrift stores goes to help support the many programs they run. And as other people have pointed out, every cent they received for flood relief was given to the city's relief fund so that it would be matched 2 to 1 by the province.
9/25/2012 9:08:24 AM
peas08 says:
I really hope they are able to find the funds to shelter women and children.
9/24/2012 9:34:49 PM
young&concerned says:
Why is the Salvation Army going to the city for tax dollars?

"he doesn’t have a specific dollar ask at this time" How about zero. If individuals want to donate that is fine and good on them but why should they be going for a tax dollar handout. Tax dollars we are all force to pay...is not a option or a feel good choice!






9/24/2012 11:16:13 PM
panzerIV says:
Salvation army provides detox and addictions treatment which is sorely needed in Thunder Bay. A majority of calls (over 50%) that Thunder Bay police respond to are drunks or addiction related. There are 50 drunks that cause close to 70% of the calls.

So imagine putting money into the addictions treatment like they did with the Shelter House and we could see call volumes drop substantially and in turn could see the police budget drop or see them in a more proactive role instead of reactive.

Substance abuse treatment and mental health treatment is better spent then having police run around all the time dealing with the same 50 people day in and day out.
9/25/2012 12:55:25 PM
CM Punk says:
I agree with Bearcub, monies passed through the Salvation Army during the flood in May and one has to wonder what happened to it or will happen to it now.

Shelter House, United Way, Disaster Relief, Toys for Tots coming up soon. Thunder Bay should be covered with a giant band aid or something.

This has just not been a good year overall for the city and charities and worthy organizations are gonna face the music.
Which in the end would mean those really needing the services in question are going to suffer the most.

9/24/2012 11:33:59 PM
nvjgu says:
I would like to see there books.
9/24/2012 11:54:27 PM
Glyder says:
Why? Are you an accountant?
9/25/2012 8:52:09 AM
hadenough says:
nvju trying to figure out ANY book would certainly be more entertaining than watching council meetings on Shaw.

Maybe we should start him with a spelling primer first?
9/25/2012 12:39:31 PM
mercy mercy me says:
"let them eat cake"
9/25/2012 12:54:02 AM
jimmyboy says:
Oh boy....now we have another group coming with their hand out...looking for yet another so called partnership...with the same old reasoning that we will have to close down our operation...leading one to think seeing that the need for such a facility is continuing to grow....as is the need for people to attend the local food banks, the free or minimal charge clothing depots in the city...is Thunder Bay really winning....as all on city council and a few starch Hobbs supports want you too believe that it is.????
9/25/2012 6:52:38 AM
TBDR says:
The mayor wasn't mentioned once in this article, and yet somehow you managed to get his name in there as if this is somehow his fault... pathetic Jim... truly pathetic.
9/25/2012 1:59:34 PM
Chief says:
Its funny that people are losing so so much given the flood and jobs being cut, yet organizations are still asking for donations like its nothing....
9/25/2012 8:42:09 AM
Steven says:
"The organization is leaning toward a new building, one that might allow it to offer expanded services to the community, including addiction and detox for men and women, corrections services for women, women’s emergency, family, youth and no-barrier shelters and transitional housing."

Believe it or not, I support this, although I do feel that the province is the one who should be funding it. The addition of detox and drug facilities is a great idea.

Of note, a large study came out yesterday showing that the cost of giving permanant housing to the homeless is far less than the cost of the giant patchwork of agencies that currently exist. Like HALF THE COST.

Something to consider.
Regardless, these people do good work, and they deserve to get funding. I just wonder if the province could come up with it, as it is really their job.
9/25/2012 9:34:58 AM
CM Punk says:
As a previous comment stated, monies raised for the Disaster Relief Fund by the Salvation Army went directly to that fund.
But the 2 for 1 as we know only kicks in if the $5 million is raised correct?
For that total to be $15 million in relief.
But yes, I agree with others who say this is not a city problem and by no means should they ask city taxpayers for money.
The city needs to clearly examine what they services they are supposed to provide for its residents.
Perhaps Aldo can make a few phone calls to his fellow sister cities and ask for some feedback.
9/25/2012 9:57:57 AM
chezhank says:
The LPH facility will be available due to the unwise decision of the provincial government to shut it down.
Looks like a better building than the new TBDSSAB
building.
9/25/2012 9:59:00 AM
keiths31 says:
There will also be an empty court house on Court Street and another on Arthur Street. Both those buildings seem to be in good shape.
9/25/2012 10:29:19 AM
farmgal says:
The Salvation Army does some very good work and wether they get the money from the city or the province it all comes out of our pockets. However if they keep raising our taxes the need for the Salvation Army and other social assistance services will increase.
9/25/2012 11:08:39 AM
tbay99 says:
Tax payers suffer for people looking for handouts once again, go figure!
9/25/2012 12:02:05 PM
peas08 says:
Some of those patrons suffer mental illness. They have no other place to go. I must wonder if their displacement is related to the closure of the LPH. These folks still need warm places to sleep, clothes on their backs and somebody to look out for them. I would rather my tax dollars be spent on helping others than used for frivolous things like art etc.
9/25/2012 3:01:31 PM
hotdog says:
Salvation Army meet Habitat for Humanity.

Get er done!
9/25/2012 6:38:03 PM
colleenopaski says:
What is wrong with people in this city...salvation army do very good work, and I support them 100%...they help so many people, and do not ask for anything in return...now I think it is time we all help them out...this city puts our money into things we do not need, or want, and they seem to forget the ones that help our communities...many many kids would go to bed hungry, and to school without proper clothes if it were not for the salvation army...when I was a child, I remember them coming to our home with a basket of food for Christmas, and a toy for each of us, so I help them out whenever I am able...what goes around comes around...did we really need a new, huge court house, I think not, (since we have 2 already)but our monies have built it...maybe it's time council took a long look at what the people of thunder bay really need, and work at looking after ALL our residents, not just the wealthy ones...stop putting money where is is not needed, and look after our people!!!!
9/26/2012 6:43:36 AM
collie says:
THERE should be no problem with donating the money for a new building period. No discussion NO controversy NO problem with doing what is right.. Should be done ASAP not wait 10 years!! The facility on Cumberland St. has been there operating and helping people for 4 times longer than most people keep a car or house. Older than Keskus Mall and where is that mall now???? Really think about this to help the Salvation Army would cost less than the Skate board park and the 2 rusty poles they put at the Marina. Salvation Army and RFDA could have had new buildings with the money sunk at Marina!!!!! Wise up HELP the People NOT yourselves (CH) sheesh
9/27/2012 12:18:24 AM
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