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2012-09-27 at 11:52

Lucrative industry

By Leith Dunick, tbnewswatch.com

An independent report on the impact of mining in the province suggests nine projects already underway could result in up to 13,149 jobs in Northwestern Ontario

And that’s just the tip of the iceberg.

With combined mineral assets of $135 billion in the ground, the value to government coffers could be staggering, though they will have to spend money to make it. The study says it will cost about  $1.7 billion in transportation, energy and communications infrastructure to score the estimated $16 billion in taxes the mines will generate, say the authors of Mining in Northwestern Ontario: Opportunities and Challenges, commissioned by Ambassadors Northwest.

All told the mines, including a pair in the Ring of Fire, could create up to 23,588 new jobs, 8,107 during construction phases and another 15,481 when mining operations are under way.

City manager Tim Commisso said the key for Thunder Bay to capitalize on the wealth is to start preparing now. Municipalities as a whole can expect to rake in 22 per cent of the taxation pie, with 43 per cent going to Ottawa and the remaining 35 per cent to Queen’s Park.

Commisso admitted the city is not ready at the present time, but with plenty of lead time, he’s convinced it can get there, calling it a baseline study to work outward from.

“This is a good problem to have where you know we’re not ready right now, but here’s what we need to do next,” Commisso said.
“My biggest concern quite frankly is getting the industrial land and the residential land available. The private sector is obviously going to respond, but they can’t do that without having land.”

There is no danger in things happening too fast for city officials to keep up, Commisso added.

“The reality is there’s already a lot of traction. Things are happening. It’s just a question of taking advantage and optimizing the opportunity. The opportunity will happen. To me the key is getting infrastructure in place and getting a really strong framework for working with First Nations,” said Commisso, noting the city will spend the next few months identifying what will be needed through its mining readiness strategy and will then put it in place.

“I think we’re ahead of the curve.”

Bahram Dadgostar, the dean of the faculty of business at Lakehead University and lead author of the study, said the numbers they produced were in fact conservative estimates.

The value of the mines and the number of jobs could in fact be much higher. This could lead to another problem.

“If exploration of these nine mines comes to production, we know the number of employment for this region are going to be more than what we estimated. The difficulty and the challenges of what we’re facing is where those laborers and experts are going to come from,” said Dadgostar, who also recommended a change of thinking at the high school level and better marketing of mining as a desirable career.

Confederation College president Jim Madder said the programs are in place, but the school must get the students into the classroom.

“I think we should have people from Northwestern Ontario training for the first opportunity at those jobs,” Madder said. “Even if we do that we’re probably still going to import people.”

The government has to be willing to spend a little money to make a little money to make it work, Dadgostar said, but it’s not the biggest obstacle standing in the way of their study becoming a reality.

“Industries are not these days ready or eager to put money into infrastructure. This is the time the government should step in and say, ‘We’ll get $16 billion,’ and around $1.7 billion is nothing compared to $16 billion.”

Thunder Bay Chamber of Commerce president Harold Wilson said what strikes him about the study is the projects being studied are close to being ready or already under development.

He said the study could be a key tool in convincing all levels of government that this is a great opportunity not only for the North, but the entire province.

“Let’s take a look at what that return on investment is of the infrastructure, but also the regulatory side. Let’s expedite this,” he said.
All agreed First Nations must be at the table throughout the process. In fact, the study listed it as the No. 1 issue facing the developments.

Coun. Iain Angus acknowledged relationships with Aboriginal communities haven’t been the smoothest during the mining boom’s infancy.

Senior levels of government must recognize they have a right to engagement and consultation, and it must come from Ottawa and Toronto.

“Both the Canadian government and Ontario government have to accept their responsibilities and start being proactive in providing the leadership and working with the First Nations and working with the interested companies that want to access traditional lands,” Angus said.

Nishnawbe Aski Nation Grand Chief Harvey Yesno was not immediately available for comment on Thursday.

 

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T.O.Guy says:
This is all positive news for this area !! So lets sit back and read all the negative comments on here .
9/27/2012 12:05:40 PM
jimmyboy says:
WHAT...that number of jobs cannot possibly be correct...our mayor Hobbs previously stated there would be 55,000 new jobs when all is said and done...and I always believe our mayor...stated with tongue in cheek.!
9/27/2012 12:06:03 PM
Conker2012 says:
The mayor was talking about direct and indirect jobs. Every full time mining job creates 3-4 secondary jobs, (supply, retail, services, infrastructure,etc...) so doing the math 15,000+ 15,000x3.5 = 67,500 which is a very optimistic outlook. The 55,000 it a bit more conservative and more realistic.
9/27/2012 1:24:35 PM
Tiredofit says:
Save your keystrokes Conker, Jimmyboy has the worst hardon for our Mayor, he say black, Jimmy says white etc... Never ends.
9/27/2012 2:11:20 PM
TBDR says:
yup... he's sorta become the forum jester. If you watch his posts in any given week, 90% or more will have some direct or indirect criticism of hobbs even if he's not in the article. I can only assume his run ins with officer hobbs are why he hates mayor hobbs.
9/28/2012 10:22:19 PM
farmgal says:
Regardless of the numbers which are only estimates anyway, mining will bring a lot of jobs to this area. Now is the time for the natives to step up to the plate and take the necessary training at the college if they truly want equality. I am sure many whites will be signing on too.
9/27/2012 12:24:05 PM
CM Punk says:
IF negative comments are going to come about, it just shows the lack of character people have and the fact they do not want this city to prosper no matter what.
M
9/27/2012 12:52:18 PM
Chaos says:
How much of the $135 billion stays in the region? I think that is what the native folks are asking. Who cares if its 1 trillion dollars - if the wealth under our feet goes elsewhere and all we gwt is a $40 and hour job - then big deal. Keep the rocks in the ground. The deal must keep a hunk on the wealth here, not just pump and dump economy.

9/27/2012 1:11:10 PM
gwilson010 says:
Your right Chaos... why have a $40 an hour job when you can just sit on the rocks and go hungry because your not making any money. the lions share will always go to the company, that's the way it is. If the land owners want more, maybe they should start their own mining company. Speaking for myself, I'll take $40 an hour any day of the week.
9/27/2012 4:06:37 PM
countryboy123 says:
Hey Chaos how bout you do us a favour and read the whole article, if you can! 22% of the taxation rate goes back to the Municipality and there would be at least 13,000 full time jobs.
9/27/2012 2:20:06 PM
nvjgu says:
How preytell do they expect to get ready for this so called boom when they have to ask the public for donations for flood victm's. There were 10k homes flooded. Alot of these people don't have heat yet 6 months after and there worried about a boom. It's getting cold outside.
9/27/2012 4:11:59 PM
hadenough says:
True enough, what are you doing to help?
9/27/2012 6:30:03 PM
The Beaver..... says:
Industries are not these days ready or eager to put money into infrastructure. This is the time the government should step in and say, ‘We’ll get $16 billion,’ and around $1.7 billion is nothing compared to $16 billion.”
Yes right...except we are broke and adding 1.7 billion to the Ontario Deficit will result in a downgrade of Ontario's Rating to less then that of Greece.
9/27/2012 5:58:46 PM
gone for good says:
This is huge.
Great news, much needed jobs for the Rez.
Bring em on.
9/27/2012 6:03:19 PM
Chaos says:
countryboy123: you prove one is born every minute. 22% of $16 billion (to municipalities) is 3.25 billion out of 135 billion. That is 2% of the wealth. But we get 100% of the enviromental and other luggage that goes with the mines.
9/27/2012 8:41:57 PM
brooky says:
After 35+ years of swinging a union hammer, I'll be retiring soon. But this is great news for my union brothers. Chaos. Our 40 bucks an hour quickly becomes 80 bucks an hour on such jobs. Lots and lots of overtime on such jobs at double time. I kinda wish that I was just joining the labor force right now instead of retiring from it. Good times are ahead. Move over Alberta. Depending on oil and mineral prices, we might just be on the verge of pushing you to the curb.
9/27/2012 9:12:59 PM
nvjgu says:
Hadenough, Well If you must know I have donated money and now Im putting in furnaces for next to nothing. What are you doing. Personaly I don't think anybody should have to do anything. The mismanagement of the city is to blame for mess, Government should have stepped in full force to help people like they do in for other country's instead of panhandling for fund's from the public. I don't believe the city is capable of getting ready for a boom, It takes money. What are they going to do ask for donation's to help pay for this so called boom. Im embarrised of past and present councels.
9/28/2012 7:00:14 AM
Toonder Bay says:
How come every time a news article is posted, a member of tbnewswatch (T.O.Guy and many other aliases) post a message before anyone else, on how the commenting will be negative???
9/28/2012 12:27:09 PM
T.O.Guy says:
Hey Toonder...
I cant speak for others but only for myself . The day this article was released i was on this site when this story popped up. So within a minute i posted my comment . Thats it , thats all no conspiracy ....lol...i can assure you i dont work for Tbnewswatch !!

9/28/2012 2:07:09 PM
countryboy123 says:
Hey Chaos lets use your #'s and see which one of us is born every minuite. At the $40 hr rate you said the 13,000+ full time jobs would generate over 1 billion in salaries per year! Where do you think the majority of that money will be spent?
9/28/2012 6:01:37 PM
hotdog says:
Where are the mining companies with all this 'investment' in human capital? This is all backwards, if there is so much wealth and money in mining, then the mining companies will or should contribute to train the employees or otherwise they are bust.

I don't believe any of this sensational forecasting against a background of ominous economic collapse amongst the developed nations. Lookout 2013. Yikes.
Tbnewswatch.com

9/28/2012 10:37:46 PM
jimmyboy says:
Reply to "TBDR"....thanks for continuing to troll me...I must say it does get kinda creepy at times...and too bring you up to speed on Hobbs...did you miss his grandiose figure of attending 1,900 events in the year 2011...he is everywhere...he is involved in everything...and therefore is an explanation as to why in some way he can be tied to every news story that appears on this website.!!!

Once again I must clarify....I hate no one...never had a so called run-in with Hobbs when he was a cop...I simply believe based upon his many FACEPLAM moments that he is a master at buffoonery.:)

Maybe just maybe actually try drawing your attention away from my comments for a change of pace...and actually comment on the story...for myself and others I believe it would be a welcomed breath of fresh air.
9/29/2012 7:20:44 AM
gone for good says:
jimmyboy says:

Maybe just maybe actually try drawing your attention away from my comments for a change of pace...and actually comment on the story...for myself and others I believe it would be a welcomed breath of fresh air.

Seems to be the norm for many on this site.
Now it's my turn to get spanked for this comment. No sweat, I have big shoulders.
9/29/2012 10:59:48 AM
Tom Sanderson says:
Don't be concerned about how much money is going into the local economy. Be concerned about how much money is going to go into your pocket. Nobody is going to hold your hand and get you a job in the mining industry. You have to go and get the training required all on your own and your own dollars unless you qualify for funding. Of course there is going to be lots of employment but not every mine is going to be up and running all at the same time so the employment figures are unknown as the numbers will fluctuate as production stages are completed.
9/29/2012 4:08:46 PM
chbaker says:
Working in a mine must be terrible... All that time away from your family and loved ones.
Dirty dangerous working conditions..
All for a couple bucks you'll waste on truck payments and mortgage interest anyway...
9/30/2012 1:50:33 PM
Chaos says:
countryboy123 - My answer is Beijing , also Toronto, Ottawa and Vancouver. That's who's going out for dinner on these riches - and yes we just get to buy groceries. In other words Northwest gets table scraps and 3 more generations of primary industry economy, the above noted get the riches.
9/30/2012 3:41:18 PM
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