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2012-09-28 at 10:39

Payment plan: Hudak pushes Ability to Pay Act during brief local visit

By Leith Dunick, tbnewswatch.com
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Tim Hudak says Northwestern Ontario municipalities can no longer afford southern Ontario arbitration settlements when negotiating government worker contracts.

And the Progressive Conservative leader has the full support of Mayor Keith Hobbs and Coun. Joe Virdiramo, also the president of the Police Services Board.

Hudak, whose party plans to introduce the Ability to Pay Act at Queen’s Park, pointed to Thunder Bay’s settlement last year with local firefighters, a deal seven years in the making that pushed a huge chunk of Thunder Bay Fire and Rescue workers onto Ontario annual sunshine list.

“The bottom line is any agreements have to reflect not circumstances in southern Ontario, but circumstances here in Thunder Bay and Northwestern Ontario,” said Hudak, who made a brief stop Friday in Thunder Bay, meeting with the mayor to discuss the legislation.

He wants arbitrators to realize that communities like Thunder Bay, Kenora and Dryden don’t always have the money in place that places like Kitchener, Toronto or Ottawa might and the results can be devastating to taxpayers. In Thunder Bay alone the industrial tax base shrunk 40 per cent between 1998 and 2011.

Hudak also wants to impose a three-month timeframe to get an arbitration deal done, rather than dragging it out like the case of the local firefighters, who are now two years without a deal in place.

“That helps mayors and councils plan, it helps taxpayers plan and it’s fair to the union workers themselves because they know they’ve got some stability and predictability,” he said.

Finally he wants to create an ability to pay department, which would compile relevant employment and economic factors for each community and hand that information to the arbitrators to allow for objective, community-based decisions.

Virdiramo said it’s win-win for everyone.

But while he believes a fair wage for police, firefighters and municipal workers is a must, he also said economic factors must be taken into consideration, which is why he’s supporting the proposed legislation.

“Municipalities’ ability to pay must be taken into consideration. We don’t have an open bank account. We have to raise taxes to pay for the agreements that we settle,” he said. “This is a good thing. Workers lives are not suspended. They know that within a certain period of time there will be an agreement.”

Hobbs stressed the City of Thunder Bay and the Association of Municipalities of Ontario isn’t supporting the withdrawal of collective bargaining rights, but fully backs Hudak’s plan.

“We’re all on the same page on this issue. We do support this legislation because we have to get handle on this once and for all,” said Hobbs, the former president of the Thunder Bay Police Association.

“There’s so much piggybacking that goes on and I know that from a police perspective.

“When Toronto and the OPP settled other municipalities piggybacked on them … We have gone through one of the worst economic times in our history and yet huge wages were given out. The OPP settlement was a prime example, and I railed on the premier for it last year.”

MP Bill Mauro (Liberal, Thunder Bay-Atikokan) said Hudak is being a bit hypocritical by saying the government has taken no action along these lines. Mauro said the Liberals had the same type of legislation included in their most recent budget, but Hudak and the Conservatives conspired with the NDP to have it removed before agreeing to pass the document. 

"He's trying to have his cake and eat it too," Mauro said. 

 

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jimmyboy says:
mmmmmm....Thunder Bay alone the industrial tax base shrunk 40 per cent between 1998 and 2011....so what percentage has it risen if any in 2012...and the answer would be most likely ZERO.!

What is not addressed in this story is the back story and events as too why it took seven(7)years to settle up with our local firefighters.!

One must also determine what are the contributing factors using Thunder Bay as a prime example of why and what is driving up the costs to operate especially our police department...with 2012 34.1 million dollar budget.!

I love this term used "an ability to pay department"...boy that sure can lead the way too what...I cannot wrap my head around that thought what so ever...seeing that mayor Hobbs is throwing his support fully behind this initiative...maybe just maybe the city as well could implement this an ability to pay department scenario especially when it comes down to his being in favor of building a 100 million dollar Events Centre as a prime example.
9/28/2012 11:20:13 AM
ranma says:
It's just high time that we split from the rest of Ontario. They have no clue on what is going on up here, and do not care at all. We would be much better off in either Manitoba, or as our own province.
9/28/2012 11:21:20 AM
big joe mufferaw says:
We'd be the second largest city in Manitario...how do we get this done!
9/28/2012 1:41:27 PM
john says:
Just maintaining the infrastructure would bankrupt a Northern Ontario province.
9/28/2012 2:59:16 PM
big joe mufferaw says:
But then we'd qualify for equalization...because if one part of Canada is choked off, the rest will die...shutting down the 401 for 48 hours would cause a huge recession...they wouldn't let it happen.
9/29/2012 8:23:08 AM
barry medawin says:
Thunder bay should indeed sever. But not to just join another mismanaged province! Thunder Bay should sever and become a Native city. With Native leadership, this great land would recover in a hurry.
9/30/2012 10:26:00 AM
baor says:
Still waiting for the punchline Barry...
9/30/2012 9:02:06 PM
Cm Punk says:
An umbrella for the firefighters and one for the police (OPP and city) separate would be create less red tape and fiscal mismanagement.
The Ontario sunshine list is getting longer and longer every year.
And those who are not on the list and bring the metal lunch box to work are the forgotten ones.
The weight needs to be lifted from these people because all the cities know what to do is raise their taxes in order to satisfy the plate of the police and firefighters.
I am not a basher here, those are dangerous jobs and they deserve respect for their dedication.
The provincial government is taking a step with the teachers and hopefully others will follow suit.
As long of course the bargaining rights of unions are not lost.
Hudak is known to be anti-union so this will be interesting.
9/28/2012 11:42:41 AM
tsb says:
"The Ontario sunshine list is getting longer and longer every year."

So is the list of things that cost more than $1.00. It's called "inflation".
9/28/2012 1:03:15 PM
chezhank says:
I'll wait and see how former president of the police union Mayor Hobbs and president of the police board Mr.Virdiramo deal with the loss of the police recruitment fund from the federal government in the upcoming police budget.
Will they cut that $145,000 from the budget which may result in the loss of two positions?
I'll like to see if they walk the talk!

9/28/2012 12:06:00 PM
cityisgreat says:
Ability to pay department...what a joke..that's the best the leader of a Provincial Party can come up with? Municipalities spend money needlessly and then they can say...sorry we spent all our money so we have no ability to pay...honestly..pathetic...how about a new approach..i wish people would use their brains
9/28/2012 6:14:35 PM
RelaxinginMurillo says:
"Ability to Pay Dept.".. hey, more gov't office jobs ! Will the wages be good ?

Picture all the things this could be used for.. council pay, administration, contractors, 'artwork', social assistance,etc.
Somehow I wonder how hollowing out the middle and upper-middle class incomes could actually help. They pay a good chunk of local property taxes and turn over a good portion of the local economy.
9/29/2012 7:44:24 AM
Fluffy says:
When is the "put all politicians on a bus to the Nevada desert act" coming out?
10/1/2012 4:23:14 PM
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