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2012-09-28 at 14:05

Ready to work? Experts say plenty of mining jobs on the way

By Leith Dunick, tbnewswatch.com
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Even under the most pessimistic scenario, the North Superior Workforce Planning Board says the mining sector in Thunder Bay will need to hire at least 1,100 new workers over the next decade.

The high-water mark on the Thunder Bay and District Mining labour market report suggests 4,150 new jobs in Thunder Bay, as mines expand, workers retire or leave for greener pastures in other parts of the country.

The region must prepare itself now for the coming boom, said organization executive director Madge Richardson on Friday, speaking about the report to a packed house Friday at the NOMA-sponsored Northwestern Ontario Regional Conference.

Under the best-case scenario, of the 4,150 hires needed, 1,850 would be in skilled trades and labour. An additional 320 would be supervisors and foreman, 185 support workers and 90 in human resources and financial.

Using the baseline case and 2,840 hires, which the region is in today, 1,240 skilled trade workers or laborers would be needed. In any case, the region simply can’t meet the needs at the present time.

But it can be done, Richardson said.

The challenge is to ensure the people who want the jobs are prepared for a career in the modern mining industry. It’s not like it used to be.

“Historically the labour positions underground or on the surface of the mine have been referred to as low-skill jobs, and it’s no longer the case,” Richardson said. “They’re very high-skilled jobs and very specialized in lots of instances.”

First Nations, on whose traditional territories many of the mines will operate on, stand to benefit greatly from the employment boom if it in fact does arrive, yet in many ways are the least prepared to take on the jobs.

This has to change, Richardson said, and the preparations in many cases are already in place and starting to happen.

“We have to look at those programs, essential skills and training for the Aboriginal population,” Richardson said.

“That’s a huge workforce and a pool of talent that they can access, provided they get all those other things in place.”

The report also emphasizes ensuring Aboriginal workers are trained to take more responsibility on mine sites and not just labour and support roles.

Nishnawbe Aski Nation Grand Chief Harvey Yesno said improving the education level of his people is his top priority.

It means convincing senior levels of government to recognize the problem and provide the resources needed at the community level to make it happen.

“Right now our children are arriving here in Thunder Bay out of elementary with a Grade 5 education. That’s a big problem. We’re not going to get students who will complete high school, let alone a post-secondary education. And that has to be addressed by the senior levels of government,” said Yesno, faced with 70 per cent unemployment amongst his people.

He realizes the opportunity mining could bring, noting an Ambassador’s Group report released Thursday suggested nine mines could provide up to 13,149 jobs in all of Northwestern Ontario if they all move forward.

Stephen Lindley, vice-president of Aboriginal and northern affairs for SNC-Lavalin said the region is moving in the right direction, but more work needs to be done to ensure the majority of the jobs are filled by people from Northwestern Ontario.

And there will be plenty of them, he said on Friday, noting direct and indirect new jobs related to mining could tally as high as 35,000, and regional leaders must understand what their job readiness factor is before it’s too late.

“Do we have 35,000 people, and if not, how do we need to source them and if we need to train, what’s the timing and how are we going to get them ready for the market when the market needs them to work?” said Lindley, adding infrastructure development – and who will pay for it – will also be a major challenge moving ahead.

It’s also worth noting, he said, that companies mining in Northern Ontario can expect plenty of competition for those workers, as there is a looming global shortage of skilled trade workers.

“We have our work cut out,” he said.

Supply and demand could mean it will cost more to hire those workers, who otherwise will go elsewhere to earn a living, much like workers from the eastern Canada flocked to Alberta when the tar sands began producing oil.

That’s why it’s all that much more important to have the workers already in the region and ready to work.

“It’s a demand and supply equation,” he said.

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CM Punk says:
This mining aspect is great news.
I am all for it.
But the reality is, lets see some actual ground breaking here instead of just talk.
You can be prepared all you want but its a different when it actually happens.

Growth spurts whether urban or economic with respect to jobs is a good thing. People are working, make money, spend it on things they need, etc.
As a previous article stated, there are political risks involved in all of this and the sad thing is that will put a white veil over everything.
Native groups and government alike need to try to co-op and get the ball rolling here.

I think its wrong to compare this region as another Fort McMurray. That will never be the case. They can only wish that.
And did they not already say that attracting workers here would be a hard press? Also, these people will want their wages to be at the same level as others in that line of work.

What scares me the most are the monkeys in city council right now. They are liable to make a mess.
9/28/2012 2:48:21 PM
jimmyboy says:
WOW-WEE....man oh man am I ever confused....yesterday it was stated that up to 13,149 jobs in Northwestern Ontario under the story headline "Lucrative Industry"....which was the result of an independent report by Bahram Dadgostar of Lakehead University....mmmmmmmm.....and then the same story went on too say this "All told the mines, including a pair in the Ring of Fire, could create up to 23,588 new jobs, 8,107 during construction phases and another 15,481 when mining operations are under way."!!!!

And then we have...Stephen Lindley, vice-president of Aboriginal and northern affairs for SNC-Lavalin throwing in his number of 35,000 people....adding more confusion or bull crap into the mix depending what side of the fence the readers may be on in any given day.!

I'll throw in my estimate from yesterday which I made to friends at the Da Vinci...I quoted 4,500 jobs maximum would be required for the 9 mines that were spoken about on our local news Thursday evening.
9/28/2012 4:06:05 PM
brooky says:
Yea, it's all bad news Jimmy boy. So a few guesses get thrown around about employment numbers and that gets your blood pressure up? You really should get a hobby or something JB because you're political bashing career is going nowhere.

"my estimate from yesterday which I made to friends"

You have friends? That's amazing.
9/28/2012 10:15:41 PM
The Beaver..... says:
Let me make this clear as one that has been in Mining one way or the other..It takes a MINER to make a MINER..there is no way you will make one at Con College or Lake-head U.These smart people do not have a clue what this is all about.When i fly out on Monday mornings to return to work i want these Clowns to sit beside me..till we return next Friday.If not willing then shut up and get out and dispense your BS elsewhere.You do not have a clue so please shut up.I am sure if many of these clown were asked to hop in the Man-car on the way to Underground they would need clean Underwear.
9/28/2012 6:00:43 PM
big joe mufferaw says:
It's not just about miners...someone has to map the rock face after you blow it...someone has to maintain ground level offices...someone has to maintain the machinery that you depend upon...miners are alone down there..there's a whole geological staff, a support staff, a technical staff...without which, a miner would be little more than a rock farmer...
9/29/2012 8:19:36 AM
tbay99 says:
Maybe going to College or University would have done you some good, your arrogant comment was pretty laughable with all the horrible grammar.

But what do you care, your a big strong MINER and nobody from college or university is as worthy as you.
9/29/2012 2:46:53 PM
hotdog says:
oh gosh, this is all based on assumptions that there is a demand for these industrial metals. has any been reading the news? honestly we are entering a global economic downturn the likes of which no one can imagine. And that my friensds is why there is only 'talk'. batten down the hatches.
9/28/2012 9:55:20 PM
Ranma says:
Have had my underground common core hard rock miner cert for almost 2 years now, and NONE of the mines in the area are hiring non First Nations people who are not experienced. What is the point of having the training if NO ONE is willing to hire you? The hiring practices have to change, PERIOD.
9/28/2012 11:23:57 PM
bottleneck says:
Pardon me, I just had to pick myself up off the floor. Jimmyboy made a comment where he didn't bash the police or the mayor!!! Although, true to his nature, his comment is completely negative. How does one go through life with absolutely nothing positive to say about anything?
9/29/2012 12:08:28 AM
jimmyboy says:
Reply to "brooky"....no where am I saying this is bad news what so ever...my blood pressure is perfectly fine as well...and yes indeed I am blessed with good friends...I consider myself very fortunate in that department...if you like guesswork so be it...pie in the sky figures...inaccurate estimating...illusions of grandeur.... On the other hand I personally do not like the every day smoke and mirrors parlour tricks type of hype...its not the way I roll on any given day!

And my reply to "bottleneck"...sorry I disappointed you...HOBBS prediction to the media a while back of 55,000 new jobs indeed takes the cake on this mining topic...seems he is the one who is the most furthest out in left field without a glove...can I bring you back to one of the mayors more infamous FACEPALM moments....that being one local news headline that read 'Thunder Bay remains as the Shoe In for Smelter Plant"...did you happen to miss the news that day by chance.??? So can you please clarify for me exactly where that smelter is going to be constructed..???



So keep on believing in your boy Hobbs and please log for your own records his many Faux Pas moments and see how much mileage you really get out of your belief's at days end....in comparing Hobbs and his leadership skills to that of an automobile....he would be a gas guzzling old school Cadillac without doubt.
9/29/2012 7:10:08 AM
chbaker says:
It's sad that we're so desperate for crummy jobs that we're looking forward to selling our precious non renewable resources for (probably less than) cost.

By the time my kids grow up, Canada will be poor like Africa.
9/29/2012 9:23:47 AM
jimmyboy says:
The TBNewswatch website is clearly the front runner in Thunder Bay...when it comes to the on-line news choices we have here...2nd would be the Chronicle Journal....and clearly coming in last place with flying colors....is NetNewsLedger.com....without question in this mans opinion.

One feature which I find great...is the option of the readers being able to post their thoughts and comments on these various news stories in real time...something the other 2 seems to shy away from for some strange reason.???
9/29/2012 9:38:33 AM
ring of fire dude says:
You forgot the CBC News website that also allows comments . Just follow the links to ThunderBay section .
10/2/2012 9:13:46 AM
6913 says:
We flew one hour east to Cochrane,Ontario last month to find out that they were 1800 men at the Detour Gold mine site at any given day.Security in and security out plus the the the little town starting to look different from the last time we passed by.
9/29/2012 11:29:55 AM
ecostatik says:
All this babble, I still don't see any job postings, I spend every saturday looking at job sites as I am educated and would love to move HOME to Thunder Bay, with a good/happy career. I had to leave almost 10 years ago to find a career in my field (I went to LU and Con College). However if I do move back, do I really want to put my daughters through the same distraught of not finding a career in TBay and having to move away. The hope of digging dirt labour jobs is NOT the so called boom TBay needs, its just another resource job that will fluctuate with the market, boom and then BUST (all over again)....get real Tbay
9/29/2012 12:49:33 PM
Just Sayin' says:
The NSWPD is a joke, let's get people from the private sector to drive our economy for a change. I for one hope mining does not take off as it is the next forestry. Just wait till prices deflate and how many more EI collectors we will have in the City, plus debt with all the "infrastructure" the city is going to build. If the opportunity is that great, Government shouldn't have to spend a dime to make this happen and should just get out of the way as it seems they are slowing things down. Lets instead focus on diversifying our economy for a long-term sustainable future rather than 'go all in' on mining.
9/29/2012 2:52:51 PM
The Badger Mountain Hermit says:
Resource Rip-Off of the Century. Billions for the Rich, in exchange for a couple hundred gulag jobs per mine, TOPS. HAVE FUN NOT WATCHING YOUR KIDS GROW UP AND WIFEY FINDING NEW FRIENDS.
9/30/2012 6:58:23 AM
Tom Sanderson says:
There sure are one hell of a lot of pessimists commenting on the news reports on this website. The only guarantee you have in this world is that you are going to die.
There is a negative and a positive to everything but unfortunately some of you can't find the door to happiness. Those that see the glass as half full will prosper. I wish all those who choose to see all the proposed ventures as a employment opportunities the best.
9/30/2012 3:09:18 PM
jimmyboy says:
Reply to Tom Sanderson...it was always my hope for my children to do much better that being a miner, a laborer...and guess what it happened for my kids...one is a anesthesiologist in Kansas City, MO...one is the head hostess at the Canadian Pavillion at Disney's Epcot PArk in Orlando, Florida and my last child is a restaurant manager also in Orlando, Florida.

SO if we do not bring up our children with the mind set of the world being so much bigger place than Thunder Bay...and our yet too be lived up to creed of..."Superior by Nature"...then we as parents are not doing all that great of a job in raising them.!
10/1/2012 4:57:23 PM
Tom Sanderson says:
I'm glad to hear your children have jobs Jimmyboy. Some people don't have interest in medicine or public service/sales positions and are more inline with mining or forestry.
We don't have to tell our children that there is a bigger world outside of their hometowns. The internet and television has done that.
Oh, the article has nothing to do with Thunder Bay's creed. It's all about jobs in the near future. Jobs that will put food on the table for those that want to work.
10/2/2012 10:05:47 AM
CJ says:
I'll believe it when I see it.
10/1/2012 5:11:08 PM
nvjgu says:
Isn't that a nice life style Two wks in two wks out, living in an atco mine camp, working in a hole, I have done it and been there, 5 yrs of it and Im no longer married because of it. Kids grew up with out me, nice ah.
10/1/2012 8:37:20 PM
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