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2012-10-01 at 23:19

Almost there: Council hears updated on ReGen Med status

By Jeff Labine, tbnewswatch.com
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Officials with ReGen Med have asked for six more months and roughly $300,000 in order to make Canada’s only bone and tissue bank sustainable.

City council received an update on the company’s operations at Monday night’s meeting. The city has already provided more than $1.2 million to help ReGen Med stay afloat as well as providing $50,000 every month for the past five months.

Judy Sander, chair of the board for ReGen Med, said they need more time to advocate to the province and added that they are close to becoming sustainable. Sander requested an additional six months with a recommendation to continue the monthly $50,000 funding.

“It takes time, money and energy to reach success,” Sander said. “We’re very close but we’re not there yet. The health care field is extremely challenging. I had hoped last time that even with the $250,000 that I would never be back in this seat again. I would like to be back here with the sustainability numbers.”

City officials have advocated for the company to become one of the three or four Canadian Blood Services tissue banks.

Sander said ReGen Med is the only organization to fit the recommended model by CBS. She said if they don’t have the province’s ear by the spring, then they will call it quits.

Board member Yves Fricot said ReGen Med is leading the pack when it comes to standards with the province and requested the city continue to support the organization.

“The current system costs the province $60,000 to $100,000 to produce the same amount of grafts as ReGen Med,” Fricot said. “If you look at the cost of producing the grafts initially, the surgery based recovery will cost the province about $10,000. We’re doing the same thing at about $3,500.”

McIntyre Coun. Trevor Giertuga said the city has already provided more than a million dollars in financial assistance and had thought it was the last time.

“I was assured last time was going to be the last time,” Giertuga said. “This seems like a provincial issue.”

Red River Coun. Brian McKinnon noted that ReGen Med would save the Ontario Health Insurance Plan between $16 million to $20 million.

At-Large Coun. Larry Hebert gave his support for the not-for-profit organization but expressed his concerns that the Canadian Blood Services could abandon ReGen Med the way it did the plasma centre.

Sander said she doubted CBS would do that and added it probably wouldn’t run everything.



 

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STEVEN says:
NO! NO NO NO NO NO!
Since when is the city of Thunder Bay responsible for paying for a tissue bank!?

SERIOUSLY!? What happened to roads, parks, water, sewers, etc.? Since when are municipal taxpayers meant to pay for a tissue bank!?

As worthy as the cause may be, this is way beyond the scope of what our city should be paying for.
10/2/2012 12:05:57 AM
nvjgu says:
To city councel, Bull S. You have been giving 50k a month to Regen Med, million bucks for flashing lights at the water front and you got the gall to go out and ask the public for donations for a flood fund. I want all you councel members out of there. This is getting stupid. Whats next a 7% tax increase.
10/2/2012 2:58:05 AM
Tbaylifer says:
I believe what Regen Med is doing, however this again is a provincial issue and not a MUNICIPLE one. Where the hell is the Liberals? This affects people's lives.
10/2/2012 6:34:09 AM
notamused says:
OINK OINK! Back at the trough. Maybe the Councillers should see what kind of cars these people drive and then make a decision.
10/2/2012 7:45:10 AM
SBJforever says:
Remember the payments to get the hospital going and the interest payments we are still paying even though they were supposed to stop,sorry folks after more than one term in office these councilors think now their entitled to do as they please ! Time to redraw the lines and replace at least the carreer councilors that keep voting for this s...
10/2/2012 8:00:03 AM
debt collector says:
Why is it every business Yves is involved with has their hand out looking for a government handout?

He sure looks happy for a guy who is working for company on death's doorstep. Does this monthly $50,000 stipend go to pay the bills he submits to ReGen Med for his services, because I highly doubt he's donating his time.
10/2/2012 8:03:18 AM
SomeGuy says:
No, you can't keep coming back to the well. If you had a viable business you would not need to come back every three months asking for more money.

A change in leadership is needed at this company, clearly they are ineffective at what they do.
10/2/2012 8:14:29 AM
Just Sayin' says:
Although a worthy cause, they have not been able to demonstrate value to their stakeholders. Even at a lower price, obviously price is not the main concern and regen should look at its business model to see if it requires adjustment. Give any other business a million to operate and they should be more than sustainable, either poor financial management or they have the wrong people in place to carry out their objectives.
10/2/2012 8:18:30 AM
Fluffy says:
This was in the news recently where they were given money by the city and many people predicted that they would be back for more. Well here they are again. Didn't take very long either. I wouldn't trust them as far as I can see them. Especially with Fricot's fingers in the pie. The City Council Clowns will likely give it to them to. $10 says the company will fold after taking our tax money and we will be left wondering where the cash went...
I need about $3000 more dollars to complete the garage I'm building. Perhaps I'll ask the city for the cash.
10/2/2012 8:22:33 AM
The Badger Mountain Hermit says:
This City hands out other peoples' money like it was Hallo'ween candy.
10/2/2012 8:45:05 AM
RealityCzech says:
When did it become an accepted practice for a private enterprise to come, hat in hand, time and time again, to city council asking for funding? Is the city a part owner in this company? What is the return going to be on all this money that has been handed out? Instead of supporting a private company, how about supporting things in the city that actually improve the quality of life of the citizens?

Hard to believe city council does not want to put money into the conservatory, but will give my hard earned tax dollars to this private company.

If the company is not viable on its own... then there is something wrong with the company or the business plan.

And while the city is busy handing out money... how about if I come up with a catchy name, call myself a company and ask for $300,000... you wont see me for another six years before i come back and ask for more.
10/2/2012 9:23:45 AM
downtown says:
If you don't have province's ear by spring you'll call it quits! Yikes. Dreamers everywhere. Seems few have their feet on the ground these days.
10/2/2012 9:53:36 AM
CM Punk says:
Once again I give my head a shake with this city council and what it does with taxpayer money.
Are these people for real?

You all know my stance on the city. They are responsible for roads, sewers, street lighting, snow removal, and water. Nothing more and nothing less.
Spending $1.2 million on this is totally insane and as a previous comment stated, its a provincial matter not a local one.

How appropriate to have Fricot come to council for money too. If that is not bad PR I don't know what is. Everyone knows he is a Buchanan man and what he did to former Great West and Northern Wood workers in screwing them over their severance packages at the very least.

Why don't you put the money in Yves?
I am sure you got $300,000 to spare.

I am still the WWE Champion and the best in the world.

10/2/2012 9:58:32 AM
jimmyboy says:
It is obvious once again...seeing that their sustainable business plan is both not going to be finalized until the end of October...plus it is being prepared by an outside source...the individuals behind this venture did not and do not have a clue...nor does our mayor and city council how a business is supposed to get off the ground...let alone what is the driver behind making and investment in any company from the get go!

I pose this question to Hobbs and the other council members who are in support of financing RegenMed....would they invest their own cash in this company...if so I would need a full explanation outlining their reasons why.!

If anything...seeing that the RegenMed business idea dates back to the year 2004...and it is now 2012...and their boat is barely afloat...that itself speaks volumes.!!!

Their reported staff level is stated at being 9 employees...yet during their deputation they say they have a team of 40 salespeople...really so I am expected to believe that $50,000.00 per month from the city is really going to pay the overhead of Regen Med that in real terms now has a stall of 49 individuals....hardly is my stance.

Sander said ReGen Med is the only organization to fit the recommended model by CBS....means absolutely nothing what so ever.....plus their presentation last evening was full of projected numbers....I especially note that the figure/selling price of $227.00 per tissue sample in equation is a whole $27.00 profit per sale if and when they get their costs down to this magic number.

Would you not think...if there is a true saving of 16 to 20 million dollars that RegenMed can truly bring and drop on the table...the province would have been all over this from the get go....and then we would not hear this wonderful statement from Judy Sander that "if they don’t have the province’s ear by the spring, then they will call it quits."......what a farce to put it mildly.!
10/2/2012 10:37:08 AM
Renegade120860 says:
Judy Sander, Chair of Regen Med, is quoted as saying:

“It takes time, money and energy to reach success,”

For the second requirement, "Money", please take your business plan to any bank, for future financing!

Taxpayers are fed up with you!!!!!!!!!!!!

And the fact that you've recruited Yves Fricot to your cause, is proof that your business competence should be questioned!
10/2/2012 12:24:00 PM
old vienna says:
So much for the knowledge based sector in this town, they're all losing money and they're all knocking on deaths door.

As the willie nelson song goes--Turn out the lights because the knowledge based sector in thunder bay is over(dead).
10/2/2012 12:51:24 PM
chezhank says:
ReGen Med is a non profit registered charity so their financial return can be accessed at:
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Taxpayer's should be given a tax receipt for donating against their will.

Any councillor who puts their arm up to provide more of taxpayer's money should also donate that arm to ReGen Med.

Councillors should put their own money into this venture and reap the profits.
10/2/2012 4:37:30 PM
mercy mercy me says:
after watching the testimony regarding the Montreal construction scandal on CBC's the National, it has made me skeptical of the motives of mayor,council and even administration for the continuous bailout of ReGen with our tax dollars. Are there [their] pockets being lined? are there conflicts of interest not being disclosed? perhaps a look into the finacials of ALL parties on both sides of the table should be scrutinized .....
10/2/2012 7:01:15 PM
sam says:
Who cares if regenmed is leading the pack in standards, in this business if you dont have people donating their bodies, you have no business.

I am sure most of us would agree that organ or body donation makes sense, but very few do it, so given that fact this business must be located in a high population center where you have the chance of getting adequate supply, thunder bay is just to small, it is as simple as that.
10/2/2012 8:00:32 PM
passlake says:
if you need more time with the province, what are you doing at city council meetings?

I hope they don't get the money... our council shouldn't be investing in this.. because it's clearly NOT an investment, it's a money pit..

oh wait, should've known that when I saw the name Fricot!
10/2/2012 8:19:22 PM
tsb says:
The city should just take control of this. They can give it to the province, look at how well they run Ornge, e-Health and Hydro One.
10/2/2012 8:41:18 PM
tbayguy009 says:
Fool me once, shame on you.

Fool me twice, shame on me.

Fool me three times, you are qualified to be a politician. With no morals, a personal acceptance being a total liar, and have the ability of manipulating public monies.

The public is quickly becoming the creditor for all government lobbiests. The sad part is, there is no legal recourse for the pulblic to sue anyone. Wouldn't this be anti-competition at it's finest? With politicians being able to pick and choose which businesses survive and which don't. AND those same politicians can create laws in whichever fashions they see fit.

Somehow business startup is being shown to be not what you know, but who you know (in politics).

Since when was it acceptable for people in public office to sign loans to 'friends,' using the taxpayers signatures in absentia as collateral?

Even more frightening, is why the public as thought of every concievable excuse to allow it to continue.

None of this 'investment' BS works!
10/2/2012 9:49:03 PM
Bonrack says:
Yves Fricot? Really? Now I know why they keep coming back to ask for more money ....

Isn't Yves Fricot a shareholder with the Buchanan Group? Does everyone know that people that worked for the Buchanan Group still have not received pension payouts? Do people remember when Buchanan Group "were not available for comment" when it was ABOUT them, but when they needed money they were always all over the news??

I agree with Rebecca Johnson when she says we have made a huge investment and shouldn't just pull the plug, but COME ON. Yves Fricot?

Maybe he should use some of his own money.
10/2/2012 9:53:03 PM
Tom Sanderson says:
City council should be jailed if they give this money pit more money. If their plan is so great take it to Dragons Den.
10/3/2012 10:38:17 AM
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