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2012-10-03 at 16:02

Falcon fight

By Jeff Labine, tbnewswatch.com
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A McGill University professors claims the proposed wind turbines on top of the Nor’Western Escarpment will not jeopardize the area's peregrine falcon population.

An advertisement for the controversial Big Thunder Wind Park quotes McGill University wildlife biologist David Bird as saying the proposed 16 wind turbines pose no threat to peregrine falcons breeding near the city.

It has been speculated that the Ministry of Natural Resources could prevent the project from moving forward because of the project's potential impact on peregrine falcon’s. In 2006 the falcons were taken off the endangered species list and officially categorized as threatened.

The federal government categorizes bird as a species at risk, a step below threatened.

Bird, who has written about peregrine falcons in Quebec and has participated in the recovery program for the animal, said he was hired by Horizon as an expert to give guidance to the company on their wind farm and whether it could impact the animal's population.

It's his opinion the bird has fully recovered in Canada.

“First of all, you have to look at the big picture in Canada,” Bird said. “Peregrine falcons have come back big time from coast to coast. The bird’s number is increasing exponentially and I don’t see any way how that wind park can have any kind of an impact on the population in Thunder Bay.

"I can count on one hand the number of peregrine falcons killed by wind turbines. They’re quite agile and any study shows they can go around wind turbines. Even if there was one or two peregrines killed annual, it’s going to have no impact on the population whatsoever.”

Bird visited the local site where the wind turbines are expected to be installed and he said it wasn’t even the right kind of territory for peregrines to hunt in. The birds prefer open areas and the cliffs make it far too difficult for them to catch their prey.

He added that he wouldn't be surprised if the peregrine was categorized as species of concern in the near future or taken off the federal list within a year.

Although, he hasn't personally done any studies in the area, he said Horizon Legacy has conducted studies using echo radar and observation as well as point counts for the past couple of years.

“It would be nice if we could put wind parks far way away from where people live and where you don’t have to look at them but the point is they have to be located near power grids,” He said.

“Sometimes that means you have to put them near various forms of wildlife. The thing is you have to weigh out the scientific evidence.”

But Brian Ratcliff, a biologist who has studied peregrine falcons in the district for more than 16 years, said he would like to see the data and studies Bird is basing his claims on.

He believes the biologist's opinion is just part of a Horizon Wind Inc. media campaign to rally support around its controversial wind-energy plans.

While Ratcliff acknowledged Bird’s credentials, he said he hasn't conducted studies in the area or at least any studies he knows about.

He also said he hasn't seen the ad yet.

“They have to prove what they put forward,” Ratcliff said. “That’s the bottom line here. They have to prove that they have done the research locally to make their statement and as far as I know they haven’t done anything.

"It’s my understanding that he has made blanket statements and you can’t do that. Every situation is different. He’s worked in northern Quebec on peregrines, but that’s a different habitat, they’re different birds.”

Ratcliff said just because the federal government has downgraded the bird's conservatory status doesn't mean it’s fully recovered.

In the end, Ratcliff said the decision rests with the MNR.

Ted Armstrong, a retired wildlife biologist who worked on the recovery project with peregrines and has worked with Bird, said he took issue with some of the wording his colleague used.

Armstrong also said the birds are recovering, but that doesn't mean they have recovered.

“There’s still things we need to do to ensure the species still recovers,” Armstrong said.

“Special concern seems to suggest there are some things we need to do to ensure the population continues to recover and we need to take prudence in our actions. I haven’t seen the reports his comments are based on. It’s always dangerous to rely on a quote extracted from a report or a memo.”

He said the comment in the ad about there being no threats to the peregrine is overstated.

He said there’s not many reports on peregrines on there but some studies have shown wind turbines have killed peregrines and a high number of raptors.

He added he was happy to see that peregrine falcons are a major consideration for the proposed wind farm.

 

 

 

 

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NWOzarks says:
Again the definition of an expert: A guy from out of town.
10/3/2012 4:48:12 PM
Steven says:
What an idiot!

"1-2 killed annually will have no impact"

Ummmm..... there are not that many pairs on the Nor'Westers, and they are only there because of huge effort and money in the rehab programs of "project peregrine" and the Thunder Bay Naturalist club.

Lets assume ONLY 1-2 are killed annually..... welll...... how many will be left in 20 years?

Plus, this ignores all the other species of birds which will be killed. We are in the middle of a giant migratory route, hence the bird observatory out on the giant. Falcons can go around the blades SOMETIMES, while other species are not nearly as fleet, and will be killed in great numbers.

This guy is a sellout! Horizon paid him big money to come up with his opinion on this. He used to be a conservationist, and now he is a sellout.
10/3/2012 5:28:05 PM
dynamiter says:
Steven - Have you been up to the devastation that is going on in the Greenwich Wind farm??? Have you seen all the dead migratory birds under those towers?? Have you spoken to the people who are being paid to check under these towers. Have you read the science on the new wind farms. Have you read about the reports fantastic recovery of the Peregrine falcon - or the moose recovery program in Michigan or the wolf recovery program in Yellowstone? Stop doing idiot math and start doing some actual investigation. If you havent been to the Greenich Wind farm in the morning then you really shouldnt be commenting. There is enough studies and data that shows that there are 10,000 times more birds killed each day running into buildings in downtown Toronto than there are in all windfarms. They even have volunteers going around in the morning picking up dazed birds and trying to help them survive before the seagulls land and eat them.You dont know this scientist how can you call him names????
10/4/2012 9:24:17 AM
Steven says:
The "buildings kill more, this is not as bad so its ok" is not a good argument. try again.

As for your spouting a whole bunch of different recovery programs of large mammels, what on earth does that have to do with birds being killed by wind farms?

Heres what I know: Wind turbines kill birds. I like birds. If you MUST have wind turbines, DON'T PUT THEM IN THE MIDDLE OF AN INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT BIRD MIGRATORY ROUTE.

Its about harm reduction. I'm not against turbines, and calling into question this guy's assertion that they are safe.

Where do I get my info from? The good folks at Thunder Cape Bird Observatory. They are outraged that these things may go in where they are suggesting. In the words of one of them, "its like putting a munitions factory next to 100 daycares".

Why put it where it can do the most damage?

I can call this scientist names because he is suggesting that it is a good idea to put these towers where they WILL DO THE MOST HARM.
Also, he was paid to say it
10/4/2012 11:27:36 AM
NWOzarks says:
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't the Titanic designed and built by "experts">
10/3/2012 5:42:52 PM
dynamiter says:
Ok Ted - if you really want to take prudence in our actions - lets cut back on the big killers - ie no new subdivisions unless all wires are below ground. No new buildings above 10 stories. Convert all old buildings to new anti-reflectant bird friendly glass. No more flights into and out of the TB airport than are currently coming. No new High tension power lines across the country - not to new mines, not to get more power to Southern Ontario etc etc.

I mean Jessie H Xmas - typical OMNR biologist erring on the side of ultimate caution even in the face of expert testimony and only the slightest probability of potential effect when looking at the big picture.
10/3/2012 8:17:16 PM
nvjgu says:
Truth be told, people just do not want to see wind turbines any where, it's not natural.
10/3/2012 9:24:43 PM
Tiredofit says:
Amazing what money can buy, had he actually studied the area perhaps it would be credible, however there is no proof he has, plus he's accepted money from the proponent. His assumption is one based on generalized information that every area is the same.

10/3/2012 10:22:41 PM
EgertonYorrickDavis says:
If you know anything about science you know this story ends at "hired by Horizon..."

It's why every single paper, article, study and presentation begins with a list on conflicts of interest.

PERIOD.
10/4/2012 8:21:04 AM
vimeo says:
This public service message is brought to you by....

I see the lastest tactic now has Horizon giving away trips to con people into this circus. First they wanted to sue us, now they want to be our pals again.
10/4/2012 8:46:13 AM
The Wolf says:
I whole heartily laugh at both sides of the great wind turbine debate.

With all its media coverage, experts, coffee shop gossip it really seems to me that BOTH sides have been propaganda-ed to death and very few if any can honestly say they can look at this project and evaluate it in a non biased way.

This bird issue is not an impacting issue for the turbines. Yes some birds will be killed, a few at most over a year, but this number is very low in comparison with other bird deaths that "human" related. Millions of birds are killed annually in this area form building strikes, vehicle collisions, hunting (both legal and illegal), culling and pet attacks.

To try and stop a project (any project) over the possible death of a few birds a year is ludicrous. If we were to apply that same principal to all human advancement we would still be living in caves, but then again maybe not as our climb to the cliff caves may disturb a nesting pair.
10/4/2012 8:46:16 AM
ohnoyoudidnt says:
The issue is the sight of them. Not the fear for the birds/health issues etc. They have them all over the world. They have a bunch in Alberta near housing developments and they are closer to the homes then they would be here. They arent fast moving, and all you hear a "woosh" sound. Sure they are ugly, but so is the attitude of this town 85% of the time. You want to be green etc and you want change and jobs but you fight tooth & nail when it tries to come here. Settle down. If Tbay is changing too much for your liking then by all means move to Hurkett. I dont care either way if they put them up or dont.
10/4/2012 9:17:33 AM
tiredofit says:
That is part of the problem, however you need to look at a variety of other factors, such as the way Horizon as a business has treated this town, the residents etc... the potiental for property values to drop etc.. it's not as simple as "oh they're just ugly and no one wants them.

As for the wooshing sound, I suggest you take a small fan, place beside you head and leave it there for 24 hours and then come back, while not a true measure, the end process is the same, it's the constant wooshing noise that will drive you nuts after a while. But hey, what do I know.
10/4/2012 11:03:16 AM
tiredofit says:
That is part of the problem, however you need to look at a variety of other factors, such as the way Horizon as a business has treated this town, the residents etc... the potiental for property values to drop etc.. it's not as simple as "oh they're just ugly and no one wants them.

As for the wooshing sound, I suggest you take a small fan, place beside you head and leave it there for 24 hours and then come back, while not a true measure, the end process is the same, it's the constant wooshing noise that will drive you nuts after a while. But hey, what do I know.
10/4/2012 11:03:17 AM
Luci says:
The character hired by Horizon Wind has no idea how the Peregrine Falcons are doing now or will be doing if those turbines are displayed on the NorWesters. He is a paid affiliate. The only people that really know the truth are the two biologist from Thunder Bay that have been working on this project for over 10 years!!!! Why would we want to take the chance that the turbines MIGHT cause death to the Falcons???? I will only believe Brian Ratcliff & Ted Armstrong....Mr.Bird has nothing to gage his information on BUT money. PLEASE DON'T TRY TO TREAT THE PEOPLE AS FOOLS...
10/4/2012 11:27:22 AM
tbayguy009 says:
It is for exactly this reason, that scientific evidence is becoming less credible in the public's eye.

Truth be told, any scientist WILL come up to the conclusion they are paid to 'prove'. By whatever methods possible. By whatever method 'works'.

GMO's and Monsanto lobbiests are a prime example.

Injury lawyers make a killing filling lawsuits of harm from FDA 'approved' medications.

"he was hired by Horizon as an expert to give guidance to the company" - That statment alone, is enough to discredit the indepance of any of his observations. He is a hired sellout.

The public needs to remember that when his report is published.

The public also needs to remember that taxpayer's money was used to repair the environmental effects after scientifically 'cleared' DDT was approved, without the evidence actually showing up until years later.

Scientific mistakes should not be the public's problem. This whole wind turbine park, will be a taxpayer problem along with higher energy costs NOW.
10/4/2012 12:14:55 PM
Conker2012 says:
Stop trying to use health hazards, or endangered species as an excuse to oppose the windfarm. Say the real reason that you oppose it.

Heck let me do it for you. They are ugly and would ruin the beauty of the local area.

Is it that hard?

Move them to the west side of big thunder and nobody would care. Nobody but farmers and prisoners are west of lochlomond road and it is outside city limits so there is nolonger any issue. A wind farm at the crapy ski hill is a bad idea all around.
10/4/2012 12:20:42 PM
tbayguy009 says:
I just wanted to add that this guy should at least, as a first step, convince the federal government to remove the peregrine falcon from the species at risk list FIRST.

Doing a public campaign to convince the people of what one persons believes is true, isn't really following scientific methodogy.

As an scientist, David Bird should realize he is jumping the gun. His only claim so far is proving that he 'thinks' and there it must be true. Take you belief to the Feds and argue with them. When that happens to public would know there is room for error, before the turnines get put in a sanctuary area.
10/4/2012 12:26:56 PM
Tom Sanderson says:
The conspiracy theorists are out in full force.

Dynamiter you hit the nail on the head. To many people people come here and yap off just for the sake of yapping off.
Nobody cares about the birds but will use them as an excuse as to why this project should be scrapped. We all know it's the visual aspect that the high and mighty don't want. Go to Google Earth and look at the wind farm west of Sault Ste Marie. Ya never heard anyone bitching about that project.
I'd rather see a few birds killed than flooding miles of land for a hydro generation station which kills and displaces thousands of animals.
10/4/2012 1:21:21 PM
dynamiter says:
Wrong again on several fronts - first off . Thunder Bay is not on a major migratory route. Secondly Falcons do not migrate in flocks - some migrate others - especially city ones dont. Thirdly """Vermont Wind Energy Facility and found no fatalities. Lubbers (1988) surveyed eighteen 300 kW wind turbines in Oosterbierum, Denmark, and found only 3 fatalities over 75 days, or less than 0.8 per turbine per year. Marsh (2007) found a bird casualty rate of 0.22 birds per turbine year after monitoring 964 turbines across 26 wind farms in Northern Spain. ""

Old style poorly located lattice type high speed windmills in Altamont pass California were a problem but newer versions are NOT

Finally nothing gives you the right to call anybody an idiot. I am sure that no matter who paid for the study professionals do their job to the best of their professional ability. DDT was the culprit - peregrines have recovered.

Final point control your cat - 500 million bird deaths a year by house cats.
10/4/2012 6:42:37 PM
Tom Sanderson says:
I was agreeing with your comment.
People only object to wind farms when they have to look at the mills. Put them out of sight, they are out of mind. When people don't want something they will use every excuse in the book as a reason to try and stop the project. There are plenty of other hills and cliffs in the region that these monstrous structures could be placed and nobody would have to look at them.
10/5/2012 4:12:20 PM
tbayguy009 says:
"The conspiracy theorists are out in full force."

So to sum it up.

Scientists didn't approve DDT for commercial use.

The raptors didn't decline in numbers because scientists were wrong about the effects of DDT in the food chain.

The MNR didn't need have wildlife scientists come up with a plan to reintroduce the lost species into the area.

Scientists don't need to worry about the peregrines anymore.

These educated persons are responsible for this whole chain of events. Full circle. So when are they ever right?

BTW if you hate hydro dams because they flood huge areas of land, please be ready to unplug the block heater in your vehicles when the wind stops blowing this winter.

No wind turbine is predictable in it's power output. That is a fact. I don't want them considered for that reason alone. They are a STUPID idea, to think they are actually a grid power source.

How about a scientific method to detect ecoli BEFORE it gets out on the trucks for transport?

Better use of science
10/5/2012 8:14:41 PM
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