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2012-10-12 at 11:21

Using social media to report emergencies not a good idea: police

By Jeff Labine, tbnewswatch.com
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In an emergency, Twitter hash tags and Facebook posts aren’t a substitute for calling 911.

That’s what Tammy Fedoruk, communications manager Thunder Bay Police Service, said when she heard some Canadians were turning to Twitter and Facebook during an emergency.

An Ipsos Reid study released this week showed more than 35 per cent of those surveyed expected emergency services such as firefighters and police officers to react to posts for assistance on social media websites.

Thunder Bay police have yet to join either Twitter or Facebook but Fedoruk said that doesn’t mean they aren’t getting tips or even emergency calls online.

“I know we receive calls quite often through Facebook,” Fedoruk said.

“We don’t actually monitor any of those social media. Somebody would post something on Facebook and somebody else would see it and would phone 911. It’s not frequent but it is definitely more common.”

Those calls usually were about threats of suicide or checking on those in need.

Fedoruk said it’s important for people to call 911 in an emergency because the operators are trained to ask questions and find out what’s going on. A Facebook post or a tweet wouldn’t provide the same kind of details an operator would need to inform any of the city’s emergency services, she said.

“By going through these backdoors and social medias and having a third-party call in we could be jeopardizing police or public safety,” she said.

“I can’t see social media ever replacing 911. The public seems to have a belief that we do monitor these social medias but I don’t see it replacing 911.”

Unlike the city police, the Nishnawbe-Aski Police Service does have a Twitter feed as well as a Facebook account and updates it’s followers on recent news as well as giving them a chance to voice any concerns.

NAPS Sgt. Jackie George said Twitter is a good way to engage the public but it’s not a substitute for talking to someone over the phone.

“As part of our Facebook information we have posted that it is not an emergency line,” George said.

“The Twitter account also states that we don’t monitor the account 24 hours a day seven days a week. However, the accounts are looked at every day including the evenings and weekends. We have advertised well in our communities that we have emergencies phone numbers if they need to reach a police officer.”

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panzerIV says:
Thunder Bay police has a media spokesperson why cant they also run a facebook/twitter account during the day. Toronto police use both these effectively to give out information about missing people, traffic accidents and more. Facebook has over 1 billion users, twitter is in the hundreds of millions.

Toronto police allow officers to use twitter to connect with people in the neighborhood they are working in and give them information on sessions they are hosting.

Its free, it works and to not be using it shows that Thunder Bay police aren't adapting to today's internet driven world. People aren't going to call 911 to say they are suicidal but they might leak information to ppl when they are tweeting or a status update. The faster we can help these people the more kids/people we can save.

A slow reaction by the police/ school board is the reason a little girl in BC didn't get the help she needed and is now dead.
10/12/2012 1:00:59 PM
Curious says:
This isn't Toronto! Lets not be like them either!
10/12/2012 3:12:53 PM
Lally says:
People *do* call 911 to say they are suicidal. They don't just post things on their facebook pages or Twitter accounts. For the police to be able to intervene or contact a person on facebook, first that person would have to "friend" or "like" the police's page. Then they would have to post an obvious cry for help (in terms of suicide), and state exactly where they were and what they were planning on doing for the police to be able to react. And imagine all the false reporting, when people are drunk, or "just joking" on facebook. 911 services already get enough butt-dialing from cell phones. The last thing they need is to monitor social media and try to determine if someone is serious or just kidding when they talk about self-harm.
10/12/2012 3:21:47 PM
pearlman says:
"People aren't going to call 911 to say they are suicidal but they might leak information to ppl when they are tweeting or a status update."

As someone who works in a 911 dispatch center, I beg to differ... We get, probably on average, 2-3 calls PER DAY of someone who's threatening suicide... Never mind the # of calls we get from friends or relatives for others.

I don't think people really have a grasp on how bad the situation is...

But do EVERYONE a favour... If someone you know is threatening or attempting suicide, DIAL 911!
10/12/2012 6:48:33 PM
leafsfanatic says:
People seem to forget their fancy phones with internet and social media apps also work as phones which are quite capable of calling 911.
10/12/2012 1:13:39 PM
dad3192 says:
I'm sure their media relations person is just far to busy to be involved in social media............
10/12/2012 3:57:17 PM
tsb says:
How is spending the time composing a tweet easier than hitting "9 1 1 send" and saying "hey, something's effed up right here"?
10/12/2012 7:30:06 PM
Tom Sanderson says:
The cops do enough. The ever so perfect cop haters complain about what the police do already and now you want them to sit and read facebook to see if someone is crying for help.
Make an appointment with the local shrink if you think that is a good idea.
10/12/2012 8:02:09 PM
localdog says:
Facebook is full of people that complain about their lives, it would be a full-time job monitoring hundreds or thousands of comments let alone determining which ones might indicate a serious need for help. That's the thing with social media, where once peoples troubles were limited to their circle of friends and family, now they have the whole world as an audience. Some people just feed off that kind of attention/drama. And on the other side of the coin I've witnessed some real lowlifes use Facebook to con people in to thinking they do extraordinary things. Point is, you never know what's real and what's not on those sites.
10/12/2012 9:21:58 PM
damanisback says:
i feel dumber just reading this.
10/12/2012 10:57:00 PM
westfortscum says:
This only proves a point, that social media is faster than even 911. At one point it took the police 30 minutes to arrive when a drunk was pounding on my door wanting to kill me and my family. It would have been faster if I called one of my friends and proper action would have ensued if I did that. The police didn't even talk to the drunk guy or see if my family was safe. If social media will make people more secure by letting loved ones now about emergencies and see if their friends can help. Police need to get to the calls on time, no matter what.
10/13/2012 8:55:26 AM
pagirl says:
I don't think people understand how sometimes all available officers are busy at other calls. You think they're going to drop everything at a bad assault call to come rushing over to your house for someone knocking at your door???
10/13/2012 10:44:16 AM
westfortscum says:
Someone knocking on my door is different than someone trying to break my door down to kill me and my two boys. Quit trying to minimalize my case to try and make yours.
10/13/2012 5:00:12 PM
pagirl says:
Well let me put this another way. There are not an unlimited number of cruisers on the road at any given time, and sometimes they are all busy doing something more urgent than your problem....get it??? That is reality, unfortunately.
10/14/2012 12:03:37 PM
tsb says:
I live on Simpson Street and have never had anyone pound on my door wanting to kill me. I have drunks hanging out in my back yard all the time and even though they leave litter, they've never vandalized anything or left needles.

What are you doing that has people wanting to kill you?
10/13/2012 3:21:28 PM
CM Punk says:
LocalDog, I could not have said it better myself.
You nailed it right on the button.
A lot of people seek the drama and attention and social media outlets like facebook just feed it more so.
10/13/2012 9:12:43 PM
citizenreporter says:
I'm sorry but you'd have to be an idiot to tweet or FB post an emergency situation instead of dialing 911.

We don't have the same program as other cities where you can report crimes online yet.

Are T.Bay residents actually doing this?
10/14/2012 1:51:55 PM
wayne says:
can just imagine the auto-correct fails.

"I just saw a man get stapled!" [stabbed]

"There's a bugler in my house!" [burglar]
10/14/2012 4:22:36 PM
collie says:
Facebook monitoring a bit too far but Twitter I can see. Personally I dont use either much but alot of people are Tweeting and Facebook is a huge. So I could see Tweets as that is mobile but for facebook I would say keep that as is.
10/14/2012 5:20:09 PM
Mazda323 says:
Suicide is no 'tweeting' matter. 911 operators are there and trained, and they are not trained to 'tweet'. I can imagine the public outcry from a few, who will remain un-named, cop haters on this site, who would hit the roof and turn themselves inside out if the police were spending their time cruising Twitter looking for suicide attempts. Give your friggen head a shake people, Facebook and Twitter are supposed to be fun!
By the way Wayne, that was hilarious!
10/15/2012 8:11:20 AM
The Badger Mountain Hermit says:
Maybe if we gave the Police more $$$, they could hires some friends, or pro-police types, as I see they still have a few empty spots in their 300+ dayshift parking lot. See how PRO I am? Can I please have a city job?
10/15/2012 10:01:43 AM
Tom Sanderson says:
They know your lying because of your past whining. I'm pro-cop so I could get a job and use one of these parking spots.

I think you are becoming delusional.

Time to get outa the basement Hermie.
10/15/2012 10:40:11 AM
localdog says:
If someone really wanted to kill themselves, they'd just do it. If they're posting suicide notes on facebook, it's for attention. Leave it to the people on their friends list to call 911, don't waste police resources with this nonsense. If you actually believe the 840 people you added to your facebook list are "real" friends, this would be one way to find out for sure.
10/15/2012 10:51:53 AM
daxxis says:
I think I'm missing something because this seems like a weird story. If a person posts something on her facebook that worries a friend nough to call 911, what is the problem? Not enough information? So, what if that same person said/did something that worried the friend enough to call? What's the difference?

Also, what is the problem with having a twitter/facebook line that operates with the same rules as the 911 line? Somepeople live their lives entirely online, and are unlikely to get up the nerve to 'call' someone especially if they are in a suicidal or other agitated state.

Odd story. Seems like there should be more to it.
10/15/2012 12:20:13 PM
The Badger Mountain Hermit says:
Constable Sanderson, I live on the 2nd floor. Dec.14, and it's off to Tobacco and Ginseng Country for this old pooch. Coming back in March? Maybe not. Other than for the Mine, I have nothing here that interests me one iota. Voting with my feet.
10/15/2012 12:31:15 PM
CJ says:
Maybe if the TBPS actually responded to calls via telephone we wouldn't have this problem.
10/16/2012 10:20:48 AM
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