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2012-10-16 at 01:32

One more year

By Jeff Labine, tbnewswatch.com
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City council has stayed the execution of the Municipal Golf Course for one more year.

The motion to give Municipal one more shot narrowly went through Monday night. Council voted six-to-five in favour of forming a seven-member committee in order to find ways to keep the golf course open permanently. The committee will have four councillors and three members of the golf community.

Councillors Mark Bentz, Trevor Giertuga, Rebecca Johnson, Aldo Ruberto and mayor Keith Hobbs voted against the motion.

At-Large Coun. Ken Boshcoff wasn’t present at the meeting and Red River Coun. Brian McKinnon couldn’t vote because of a conflict of interest.

Current River Coun. Andrew Foulds, who put the motion forward, said he wanted to give Municipal a sober second thought after residents started a petition that received more than 1,800 signatures.

“I think this is fantastic,” Foulds said. “I think over the past month, there has been a battle in this chamber regarding the conservatory and tonight you saw another close vote with another municipal asset. I couldn’t be happier. I’m not a golfer but I strongly believe in recreational facilities and this one serves a couple demographics.”

While the city has to be financially responsibility, Foulds said it’s also important that the city’s is providing quality services.
Despite the delay in closing, Foulds said it doesn’t mean the golf course is safe from shutting down. The decision is only a lifeline and the committee members must do what they can to keep Municipal from closing permanently, he said.

Jules Tupker, who spearheaded the petition, said it has been a long battle since council made the decision to close the golf course in April but he was extremely pleased with the chance to see Municipal stay open for another season.

“I think getting around 2,000 people to sign a document on something like this helped,” Tupker said. “I think the joint effort of everyone helped convince some members of council to keep it open. I know a lot of people who want to be on the committee. Hopefully we can change what’s happening at Municipal.”

A main issue with the golf course was the dwindling attendance. Tupker said if they lower the fees that will attract more golfers to the course and bring up that attendance.

Those who were against giving Municipal one more year argued against the motion said it was too little too late.

Giertuga said he appreciated what Foulds was trying to do but questioned why after so many years that the city was only now thinking about establishing a committee.

“With all due respect, this seems like a last ditch effort to try and keep this open,” Giertuga said before the vote happened. “We’re going to have a committee that’s going to study another study. We’ve gone through and studied these courses for how many years? It has been on the block for a number of years.”

He added the city is competing against local businesses and should instead be given those businesses a helping hand.


 

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jimmyboy says:
I watched the entire city council meeting last evening from start to finish....and my head was set to spinning a few times....what we have is more of a KANGAROO council, the likes of which after this meeting I have not ever seen before.

Most confusing is as per Mark Bentz the bottom line is the city would save $200,000.00 annually....we see who voted to close it....and hearing for example HOBBS saying that his voting to close Municipal was strictly a business decision based vote....yet when it came down to closing the Conservatory he initially voted to shut it down and later changed his mind after his visit to the facility to keep it open with the hopes that the city could find a better way to promote it and thus make it profitable.!!! Which I believe to be 100% impossible....when going over the annual cost to keep it open.

Clearly even after giving his reasons as to why he was voting that was he did....his peer support again is severely lacking....he cannot garner city council support no matter what dribble spurts from his lips.

NONE of what I viewed last evening made any sense at all....RegenMed also got more funding....as did the youth centre in the Victoriaville mall....one would believe that a youth centre would be much more beneficial if it were to be located in a resident area.....much like the current Boy's and Girl's club on Junot Ave ....its location makes perfect sense....this new one does not.!!
10/16/2012 5:33:51 AM
TBDR says:
Look out everyone... jimmyboy is talking about HOBBS again (note that his caps lock button malfunctions whenever he types the guy's name). Someone should keep a running tally of how many times he criticizes the mayor in a week.
10/17/2012 1:13:08 AM
Tbaylifer says:
Another flip flop from council. Nice to see it stay open, no I not a golfer. With decisions like this how can I trust council that we should build a Multiplex. Save some money a get rid of 6 councillors and other useless positions such as the urban forester.
10/16/2012 6:20:15 AM
Curious says:
Og goodie!!! Another friggen committee! Can't these guys make decisions? Maybe we should just have "committees" running our city instead of these expensive yahoos.
10/16/2012 7:28:48 AM
buzzerd says:
OMG, grow a pair city council and do your job.
10/16/2012 8:36:08 AM
fastball says:
God, I love this town.
No matter what decision the council makes - if you whine and cry long and loud enough, our fearless leaders will INVARIABLY find a way to revisit and reverse any decision.
So instead of making a tough, informed decision and sticking to it - usually a vocal minority will get their way.
Having multiple city-run golf courses is silly. There should be ONE municipally-operated and funded course - and the others can go private.
10/16/2012 9:02:06 AM
bttnk says:
Remember the names of each council member who voted to keep this money wasting 9 hold golf course open in a city over-run with golf courses. When election time comes send them packing. These guys who voted to keep it open after it's been on the block for so long should not have a place on our city council.
10/16/2012 10:03:04 AM
CM Punk says:
Those who signed the petition to keep the course open should be the ones that pay for this.
I am not a golfer either, but please have some kind of control over things.
The way Jimmyboy spoke of how the meeting went, it sounds like worse case scenario happened.
10/16/2012 10:12:39 AM
CJ says:
Sad and pathetic.
10/16/2012 10:14:36 AM
Vanity says:
We have the worst council ever. A Mayor who is useless and flip floping alderpersons. Thunder Bay we need to get rid of all these clowns next election.
10/16/2012 10:20:58 AM
digdug76 says:
So the golf course loses up to $200,000 a year, partially due to overpriced green fees. Lower green fees will attract more golfers. This course is grossly overpriced.

However, is losing $200,000 a year really that bad? Consider this, the 2 pieces of bent steel at the marina cost almost $1,000,000. How many people get "use" of those two eyesores? Or what about the Computer screen type sign in front of the new EMS building on Junot? How much was that? Somewhere between $100,000-200,000. How many people do you see standing in front of that sign and "using" it?

At least for $200,000 a year, the golf course gets used. People are attracted to it. People don't go to the marina to see the bent steel, nor do they go and stand in front of the sign at the EMS building.

Yes council wants to close Municipal because of a slight loss, that could easily be fixed by proper management.
10/16/2012 11:08:46 AM
fastball says:
So what happens next year?
What exactly was the point of keeping this open for one more year?? So we can go through this again - and listen to more of the same bleating? Sorry, City Council - what you did was CAVE to a very small vocal minority.
Now Councillor Foulds says that they're going to "give Municipal a sober second thought". A sober thought?? What the heck was the FIRST decision base on, then??
It's a roll-over, pure and simple. It's embarrassing.
10/16/2012 11:59:46 AM
anvil of crom says:
"sober thought" so that means by foulds admission that they were drunk the first time they considered this??!!

OUT WITH THESE BOOZED UP BOZOS!
OUT I SAY!!!
10/16/2012 2:36:24 PM
ricky says:
Great, another year this city loses a bunch of money because 2% of the population can't golf on the other dozen courses around town.
10/16/2012 12:50:10 PM
tiredofbull$ says:
WOW this council is unbelievable, flip flop, where is all this money going to come from to cover these expenditures from last night. Golf Course to continue to lose money plus a seven member committee that I am sure is not going to work for free, Regen Med gets more money, and a new youth center. How about council trying to find new ways to make the city money instead of it always spending and giving it away.
10/16/2012 1:10:14 PM
deluxecustom says:
You mean the same kind of "studying the study" you initiated on the closure of heavy vehicular traffic on Hwy 102 Trevor? Mr Giertuga should step away from adult decisions in the chamber. Alderman?,Make me laugh, please, peaple of McIntyre ward, find someone capable of the job next time?What a joke.
10/16/2012 2:11:32 PM
yqtyqt says:
Great!

Jules Tupker and Cupe win - taxpayers lose.

If this is such a great deal, let Jules and CUPE buy the golf course and run it on a break even basis.

Heck, I would even vote in favour of granting them transiotion funding of 100,000 the first year and 50,000 the second year just to get rid of this money losing venture.

Jules, make this work or sink. And take foulds and angus with you to invest his own money in the black hole.
10/16/2012 2:45:00 PM
Tom Sanderson says:
The problem with Thunder Bay is that it is like a hillbilly town. Nearly everyone is related so council can't close this because Bob will be mad. Don't build that now because Tony wants to bid on it and he's busy at the moment. Ya see what's going on in Quebec with contract awards, you don't have to look outside of city limits and the same stuff goes on here. It's all about you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours.
10/16/2012 2:59:22 PM
collie says:
Ridiculous WHY keep it open??????
All those tax dollars flush down the toilet for what??? Really if a business remains in the RED for more than 2 years than it is a failure and not profitable to keep up because it is a drain on resources! time to smarten up and shut em down!!!
10/16/2012 6:21:16 PM
canrebel53 says:
bttnk, just remember when the time comes for another election not to vote for any of them. All you see for these people is a bunch of flip flopping all over like a bunch of fish out of water.
10/16/2012 6:53:28 PM
Dan Dan says:
Keep it open, and increase green fees to a point where the course is at break-even.

What? People will stop going there if it's $100 a round?
10/18/2012 12:18:17 PM
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