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2012-10-16 at 13:45

Long-Term care facility to close by month's end

By Jeff Labine, tbnewswatch.com
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THUNDER BAY -- Despite public outcry and opposition from city council, the Revera Interim Long-Term Care Facility will close by the end of the month.

Officials with the North West Local Health Integration Network made that message clear at council Monday night. Council had asked representatives of the LHIN to come to a meeting to help clarify the closure of Revera.

The 65-bed facility is scheduled to close its doors on Oct. 31. The decision has received opposition from the public who criticize it for taking away beds in a time when Thunder Bay was already losing space at with the closure of the Lakehead Psychiatric Hospital’s geriatric unit.

But Laura Kokocinski, CEO of the North West LHIN, said it wasn’t their fault that the interim facility is closing.

“Revera is a private operator and they have exercised their right under their contract to return the beds back to the province,” Kokocinski told council repeatedly.

“The timing of the closure was at the discretion of the operator. The private operator did not want to continue in the business. To ask the Ministry of Health and Long-Term Care and the LHIN to stop the closure of the interim long-term care facility and the geriatric unit at the Lakehead Psychiatric Hospital is not going to happen.”

“We’re now looking at where those licenses will go and how we’re going to use the resources in order to in the short term provide additional support for people to remain at home.”

The Thunder Bay Regional Health Sciences Centre has 24 patients waiting for long-term care beds. Kokocinski said most seniors go to the hospital for an acute illness and aren’t necessarily making a decision to seek long-term care services and the LHIN has also made progressing in lower the wait times.

That’s why the province and the LHIN are looking at a home first philosophy, which was started a year ago.

“The philosophy is to have families move back to their home environment before they make decisions about long-term care,” she said. “As we look more and more into long-term care services, what are the actual beds we need? It’s difficult for people who are working there and who live there and we understand that. This is a success story and we understand the frustration that the closure causes.”

Joy Warkentin, chair of the North West LHIN, said at the time when the announcement came that Revera would close there were 15 empty beds. Given the choice for seniors, most would rather wait to go to one of the other long-term facilities than go to Revera, which is why there were empty beds, she said.

“People stopped choosing Revera,” Warkentin said. “If you look at the waiting list in Thunder Bay for knee surgery what you find is the waiting lists are high because they don’t have a provider. They decided ‘doctor so and so is the best so I’m going to wait for him.’ That’s the choice people have.”

McIntyre Coun. Trevor Giertuga pointed out that residents are paying $24,000 a day to keep those 24 patients at the hospital compared to $3,600 to have them at a senior’s home. Giertuga then asked how can the LHIN justify closing more beds when it means tax payers are paying more.

“Financially it’s irresponsible to keep them in hospital,” Giertuga said. “I’m not suggestion that we’re warehousing seniors or that we should. What I’m saying is from a financial standpoint, we’re paying $24,000 a day and we could be paying $3,600.”

Kokocinski responded by saying they are in the middle of a transition and it will take time for them to fully implement their plan.

Neebing Coun. Linda Rydholm said the ministry has a responsibility to look after seniors but are now closing both the LPH and Revera.

“We’re supposed to speak up for (seniors),” Rydholm said. “I think it is appropriate for the municipality to speak up on behalf of our citizens. You don’t shut down beds and say you take that money to keep more people in their homes. You don’t do that. Meanwhile, people who need beds wind up in the hallways because of gridlock.”

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jimmyboy says:
Long Term Health Care beds have been an issue for a long time now...no different than out TBDRHSC being under a constant state of GRIDLOCK.!

What I do not understand is why at the 11 hour once again does this become such an important issues with our mayor and city council.???

Have they all been residing under a rock for the past 10 or so years.!
Pretending to be concerned and oh so very caring is a farce....the problem is hardly news to anyone....yet these individuals are coming across as to be in some state of shock and Awwww....please it is more than apparent that the reactions are one of political correctness....and nothing more.

If they really wanted to do something about this situation....it would have been addressed long ago....not a mere few weeks before these facilities close their doors for good.!

10/16/2012 2:29:57 PM
TBDR says:
probably because its a provincial issue, bonehead. The city has no say in what the LHIN does.
10/17/2012 1:10:10 AM
tbayguy009 says:
So then, what was the purpose of creating the LHIN's. Was it just to create more jobs for liberal supporters, without ever having to be accountable.

Yet another taxpayers sinkhole that has no purpose.

Are you suggesting that people shouldn't discuss issues ... ever. Just a morning dose of spooning feeding, and confirmation the medicine they are giving you, is good for you.
10/17/2012 3:39:06 PM
citywkr says:
Hey concerned council... make an impact; can the multiplex and build the solution... a long term care facility to deal with a real issue.
10/16/2012 2:40:18 PM
tannharr says:
Hey citywkr, if that IS your real name, you of all people should know that there IS a resolve to this issue. St. Joseph's is building a massive LTC facility, along with supportive housing to alleviate this issue. It will just take some time. Here, take a look.

10/17/2012 12:43:58 AM
westfort resident says:
The city needs solutions to deal with the aging population, not spending its money on entertainment facilities. Priorities council? Lots of people are getting old. Where are they supposed to go? Move into a multi-million-dollar entertainment centre? Taxpayers can't afford to keep seniors in hospitals. Long term facilities are needed now and there will be more demand in the near future. The time to deal with this issue is now.
10/16/2012 3:01:02 PM
chezhank says:
City taxpayers put up $25 million for the hospital while council squandered a $40 million loan that was supposed to build a senior's home.Now council is squawking there is no room at the hospital........is this called KARMA!
10/16/2012 10:26:49 PM
tannharr says:
You have such great ideas! Sure glad you aren't on council! It's not the job of the city to provide beds anymore, it's up to the province. Hence why St. Joe's is building CEISS. And if we had it the way you see it, Thunder Bay would be only settling to becoming a nesting community such as Elliot Lake. Thunder Bay will be booming in a few years, and we NEED to be proactive NOT reactive like Fort McMurray was a few years ago. We NEED things like the waterfront developed and the new courthouse, and the new event centre. These are what will draw the young people into the community and retain the ones we currently have.
10/17/2012 12:48:44 AM
yqtyqt says:
Well I hate to inform you that young people will become older people who need careat some point. I know that this is amazing news for you. But its true.

Its a sad state of affairs and embarrassing that we care more about $multi-million owners tan we do about our seniors.

Get a life, and while your at it, get you butt back in town before you post here again. Your opinion means squat to those who actually live here.
10/17/2012 9:12:48 AM
animallover says:
Don't forget, the City of Thunder Bay is closing Grandview Lodge and Dawson Court. They have also returned licenses to operate beds.
10/16/2012 5:25:51 PM
The Badger Mountain Hermit says:
They can go huddle at the Waterfront. That's where their money went.
10/16/2012 5:49:37 PM
Tbaylifer says:
The responsibility for healthcare is the provincial government not the Municipality. The Aging at Home Stratagy is the Provincial Liberal plan. That is were you as the family member of a senior with a health issue becomes the primary care giver. Not an easy job.
10/16/2012 6:14:36 PM
finnboy says:

We have an growing senior population while the services and bed are fewer. We have many seniors from the outlying communities that are in need or services. Who will be first in line to get these services the ones who can afford to lay out the purchased services.

I just have two questions

1) They speak of public consultations? When and where? Have not seen any as yet.

2) How does one get onto this Northwest LHINS board of directors?
10/16/2012 7:58:15 PM
JGC1977 says:
It's a little late for our current council to worry about LTC beds. This is the same council that voted to close 2 city LTC homes and turn them to the private sector."We're supposed to speak up (for seniors) Rydolm said". She never bothered to speak up for them before. TBI was an older D listed facility that should have closed years ago when Pinewood Court moved to Walsh St. This story is also misleading in that TBI was always only Interm beds so seniors were choosing to wait in there homes and hospital for another facility to go. A lot of the time seniors were waiting to go to a city home (which is also slated to close thanks to Rydolm and the majority of council).
10/17/2012 7:24:18 AM
ranma says:
So since the province has to take care of our aging population, how much more proof do we need o show they do not care at all about what happens up here? How many more homes for the aged do we have to lose? How many more beds do we have to give up before you sheeple realize that all they want to do is run us into the ground so that we will leave here? The province has been killing us slowly over the years by denying us services, closing essential ones, and proving that we mean nothing in their eyes.

It's time we leave.
10/17/2012 7:39:33 AM
Tiredofit says:
It all boils down to profit,that's what happens when you allow private industry handle it. No profit, kick them to the door!
10/17/2012 7:48:48 AM
colleenopaski says:
This city is going down hill fast, but you in council, just keep spending our money to "pretty up" the city, and don't worry your little heads about the residents living here!!!
10/17/2012 8:06:27 AM
yqtyqt says:
Exactly colleen.

Council seems pre-occupied with glitzy and glamorous projects that they can point to during the next election as a "we did that".

Taking care of seniors and others who are in need take a back stage in this community. They aren't the ones to storm the council chambers, they aren't out there collecting petitions, they aren't sending letters to the editor. They simply want to live a normal, modest life with some dignity.

In order to make budget room, we should gas the multiplex immediately until we have our priorities paid for including adequate sewer services, provisions to take care of our seniors and children, and to provide proper protective services.

Its embarrassing and a shame to think that our council is hellbent on building a $106++ million facility for some multi-millionaire hockey people while our seniors are being neglected and a committee is out there begging for handouts to help victims of a poor sewage system.

BTW, isn't where is the prov.
10/17/2012 8:42:55 AM
advocate says:
this is what happens when tbnewswatch does not actually discuss the facts of the council meeting. Posters just make up their own stories and spread their own rumours.

Extremely disappointed.
10/17/2012 8:47:22 AM
yqtyqt says:
If you don't like what tbnewswatch reports, why do you come here then.

Find something else to read that suits your liking. Maybe our ex-premier will introduce a paper that you prefer - daltons daily or something like that. You can catch up on all of the lies you missed out on.
10/17/2012 10:32:13 AM
Papercut says:
The answer is simple folks.......

1) Don't grow old

or

2) Be filthy rich so you can afford to grow old.
10/17/2012 10:33:51 AM
Conker2012 says:
3) Save for your retirement like the rest of the country.

4) Treat your kids with respect so you can live with them when you cannot take care of yourself, (that is what has been done for 1000s of years).

5) Lift the height restriction bylaws and allow skyscrapers so that affordable appartements can be build with lower municipal infrastructure impacts.

6) This is THE PROVINCES ISSUE AND NOT COUNCIL PROBLEM, WHY ARE THEY ALLOWED TO SPEAK INFRONT OF COUNCIL AT ALL!!!!!! What is next a council debate on the war in Syria or Afganistan?

7) BUILD THE MULTIPLEX TO RETAIN YOUTH TO PAY FOR THE SENIORS CPP, PROPERTY TAX TO MAINTAIN THE INFRASTRUCTURE, AND MAINTAIN THE ECONOMY (BTW being young I will not likely see a CPP because of how many boomers will suck it dry before I get to retirement age).

10/17/2012 11:47:28 AM
canuckman55 says:
reading all these posts from people blaming the city makes me realize how little people understand about which level of government funds what.
10/17/2012 2:19:10 PM
tbayguy009 says:
To be clear. What has finally reared it ugly head is the shifting control of LICENCES. Wow. Not people. This is a licencing issue.

What used to be a municiple concern (Boscoff started a fund for old aged home retrofits) but was then taken over by the province.

The province's response now.

Please take a number, we will get back to you when we can. In the mean time, please stay at home.

The LHIN's have meeting to attend, luncheons and commitees to chair. They are constantly working on the problem that they had no idea was going to be this big. It snuck up on them somewhere out of the blue. Their concerns about costs revolve mainly about our salaries. They will go back to the good old days of patient centered care, sometime.

And mmm, mmmm, mmmmm. Wasn't that a good salmon sandwich. Wadda ya think. Should we just add another wing onto hospitol. For more bed blockers.
10/17/2012 4:05:08 PM
hotchoc says:
As I said in a different posting, it amazes me how postings here can be so wrong.

The City of Thunder Bay decided to close LTCare beds in this city. They decided to not fund these homes and took the borrowed money 40 million or so and spent it, with about 25 of it going to the Marina.

This was not the provinces doing but the province is trying to fix the mess the city created.

What is going on with this particular facility, I do not know. One person who worked there told me it was supposed to close 3 years ago but the province kept it open with more funding.

When you want to scream, scream at your city council who in effect, stole this borrowed money from seniors, the folks who built this city, to pay for boat slips, skateboard parks and condo's for the rich and famous.

That is how this city thanked that generation.

Those on city council who did this should be held accountable, but how will they be when the people here can't even get the story straight.
10/17/2012 10:30:36 PM
tbayguy009 says:
Don't forget this generation as well.

While this generation of taxpayers foots the bill for cost overruns on the Marina (and every other pet project like ReGen Med), they will STILL be "guilted" into fixing the ever present situation of long term care. Like growing old never happens to anyone.

This generation has also now been told to work 2 more years to be eligible for pensions. Imagine being 66 and working for minimum wage (widows ..).

Then, for all those generations to follow. Well, they get all the debt repayments, created by their parents (and I mean the leaders who don't fix this, responsibly).

Marina projects are candy, while long term care facilities are the meat and potatoes of government obligations. This is taxpayers money. On any level.

The public has voted people in who give them a sugar rush. Now, many may realize they are diabetic. However glitz and glamour, are not insulin.

Society is crumbling. This situation is proof of that decay.

Lead on, oh great ones.
10/18/2012 9:57:28 AM
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