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2012-10-17 at 16:33

Disappointed

By Jamie Smith, tbnewswatch.com
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The city manager says he’s disappointed with council’s decision to forgo some cost-saving recommendations.

Tim Commisso had outlined the conservatory and golf as places to cut costs as the city wrestles with an infrastructure gap. The recommendations were part of the city’s core business review process.

But council has decided not to take the advice. Commisso said he understands that councillors are only doing what they think is best for the city but it is frustrating.

“I’m not surprised, but I am disappointed,” he said. “These are difficult decisions I understand but the reality of it is there are more important things in my mind and that is getting our spending up on infrastructure.”

“If we don’t continue to increase spending on infrastructure like we’re doing we will leave a huge legacy of what we refer to as an infrastructure gap for future generations.”

The process would allow more infrastructure spending without reducing services or raising taxes Commisso said. But without reviewing city businesses, it will be hard to do that.

“There’s only so much money you can find in the system without affecting the system, the services,” he said.

The city has been spending more on infrastructure while finding savings through cost containment and the cityLEAN program. But as for reviewing what businesses the city should be in, he wonders whether administration should continue to bother with the exercise.

“What I’m going to do is have a discussion with council and say ‘do you want to carry on with this element,” he said.

Coun. Ken Boshcoff said he was disappointed that council decided to keep Municipal Golf Course open for another year even though a report said it was losing money and players while the city has many other places to golf.

“This was a very logical and probably the easiest cost saving measure we will ever have presented to us,” he said.

“If you can’t cut that kind of obvious expense and redundancy in the system… if we can’t even do that then you gotta wonder what we’re putting the entire city administration through if council’s not going to deliver.”

Administration was tasked with finding cost savings, which it did Boshcoff said. If council doesn’t want to listen, it needs to come up with other ideas for finding money.

“I have faith in the councillors that they will realize you can’t just keep spending that you really have to apply some wisdom in being frugal,” he said.
 

 

 

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The Beaver..... says:
There are huge amounts of savings to be found in the City's over staffing.That should be the first place to look for savings.The discharge of one redundant position and there are many..Mr Boshcoff..would amount to more then the Municipal that you seem so intent to get rid off.
10/17/2012 4:47:29 PM
SBJforever says:
In the past Boshcoff also wanted to sell tbaytel, so whats his real agenda?
10/18/2012 7:13:15 PM
gogreenorgohome says:
Finally fiscal frugality, and maybe even funds for the old aged homes as the baby boomers age! Being forty it means funding bad decisions for the rest of my tax paying days!
10/17/2012 4:55:27 PM
Chaos says:
Isn't this the same guy who told council to give regenmed more $?
10/17/2012 4:57:04 PM
taxpayer77 says:
Ok....so we continue to fund the conservatory...and municipal...and oh wait we also have money to "loan" to Regen Med....The money I pay for city taxes does not come from a bottomless pit. I have limits. So should the city. It seems there is no limit with Council lately.
10/17/2012 5:01:33 PM
DaisyNuke says:
So, we should save money by closing two areas with a modest savings, and then talk about building a convention center/arena that will operate at a loss every year? I don't get it.
10/17/2012 5:16:03 PM
sky high says:
Of course you don't get it, and that is why you're so confused. You see, a new arena is something we NEED, and will generate REVENUE in the future. The conservatory is something that will generate zero dollars, and the golf course will actually lose them. That's why, given that council wants to fund these losing causes, we really really need the multiplex to off balance the loses.
10/17/2012 8:35:15 PM
CJ says:
You must be high. We DO NOT need a new arena or a stupid convention center. Thinking they'll generate revenue proves you must be on something good. LOL. They won't generate squat.
10/18/2012 8:13:08 AM
fastball says:
Well, you just keep on with that small-town, small-minded attitude, CJ. In a generation or so, TBay will be nothing but an old-age community and regional government center. Whether or not we NEED a multiplex is debatable - but the fact that a local venue that can bring in quality attractions and generate money for the city is inescapable. Fine, the facility itself may operate at a loss (depending on how you do the math) - but the revenue generated in hotels, restaurants, bars and other places more than covers that. You may say "oh, its the owners of those places that will make the money"...but it's LOCAL PEOPLE who work at those places. Increased patronage in these places means increased work, increased wages, increased tips - and those LOCAL PEOPLE buy things from our stores and contribute to the municipal tax base.
So, YES - sometimes you gotta spend money to make money. It's a hard concept to grasp for some people who can't see anything past themselves.
10/18/2012 9:14:18 AM
Tb@reality says:
Go ask Regenmed for the $1 million+ back. This is a perfect example of council gives away our money then make every excuse as to how we need to lose services. Stop gambling with our money.
10/17/2012 5:17:26 PM
passlake says:
As I read this article I see the following other article titles:

"Council gives Regen $150k"
"One More Year" (Municipal)
"Is it the right time to build a multiplex?"

nevermind the other articles in the past concerning building the waterfront and the art in front of it... the new ems building with art in front of it...

should I continue? nah, you all know the extensive list.
10/17/2012 5:17:58 PM
nvjgu says:
And he goes on to say, theres only so much money you can find in the system. How much money did they give Regen Med.
10/17/2012 6:00:00 PM
CM Punk says:
Isn't this the same guy who forgot about the memo that led to a miscount of $7 million?
10/17/2012 6:28:38 PM
JubJub says:
All you nay-sayers, the revenue from the events centre will cover it. Or maybe there is some recycle value to those ibeams at the marina. Or even better, grow hemp in the conservatory.
10/17/2012 7:37:43 PM
sky high says:
Isn't it amazing how all these people commenting in here think they know more about finances than a chartered accountant. 99% percent of us in here don't have a clue how the city should spend its money or whether or not giving Regen Med more money is a good idea. Some of you people should keep quiet, because you're opening your mouths and removing all doubt that you're fools. Just amazing.
10/17/2012 7:49:47 PM
eastender says:
I think your name says it all 'SKY HIGH'
10/18/2012 12:11:05 AM
big joe mufferaw says:
Let's not blame the conservatory and the golf course when council is looking favourably at investments in a civilly divisive project like the $106 million dollar multiplex.
10/17/2012 8:25:14 PM
Rbosch says:
I can not believe the reaction of some people. As part of the review of the city's core businesses recommendations were made to get rid of some of the businesses that could have and immediate impact (municipal and the conservatory) and this was presented to council for their decision making. That is Administration's job and done under the guidance of Mr. Commmisso. It was COUNCIL that made the decision to ignore Admin's recommendations and people want to blame him for COUNCIL's decisions/flip flopping. It is little wonder he is frustrated! He is trying to do his job and is being undermined by our Council's lack of fortitude to make a decision and stick by it, because they have the desire to please small self interested groups and not listen to recommendations.

10/17/2012 8:30:30 PM
Tiredofit says:
So Tim's disappointed, well now you know how a good portion of the city feels about you Sir.
Poor Timmy didn't get his way and now he's upset.... Sucks huh
10/17/2012 9:07:45 PM
mercy mercy me says:
ok, lets try this again, my first comment was "moderated", our taxes pay commisso's salary,he works for us, not the other way around, he is the hired help, if he is so disappointed, perhaps he should tender his resignation and move on,
10/17/2012 9:36:10 PM
hotchoc says:
with respect Mr. Commisso

You speak of cutting costs while spending is out of control and nothing is being done about.

Police Department couldn't hit their budget target ever and the cops got huge raises last year, this year and someone told me they get another 6% over the next two years. Someone tell me this is a dream.

You took over Marina Park, but not one head has rolled for the millions upon millions that have been overspent.

You are pushing for 30-50 million for a convention centre/multi-plex to make it sound more palatable for people

You inherited a disaster for the windfarm that sees no good end in sight for the city and now you worry about 100 grand at Municiple.

the infrastructure deficit you speak of will not be solved by thousands or hundreds of thousands but by millions.

Start looking for the big numbers to deal with this issue, then maybe we can listen to your opinion.

10/17/2012 10:09:13 PM
yqtyqt says:
Commisso says he disappointed. Well Timmy how do you think taxpayers feel. Don't forget Timmy you still get your $1/4 million a year salary plus darn good benefits. All the taxpayers get is to pick up the tab on their tax bills.

I would also draw his attention that basic services (sewer, services to the elderly, protective services) is falling further behind while we pursue the dreams of attracting semipro hockey to satisfy the needs of Mr Leblanc.

Perhaps he could enlighten us how he sees the row of duks lined up. From most important to least important would do. Just so that we know where he stands.
10/17/2012 10:21:29 PM
jimmyboy says:
Ah..Ha...now the finger pointing begins...a most interesting twist.!

Too bad Ken Boshcoff did not offer up the reason he was not at the council meeting....I for one would love to hear it.!

Nice too know that Boshcoff has faith in his fellow councilor's...the voters who are keeping up with what goes on here...clearly do not have any faith after this weeks council meeting.!

Imagine if you will....so Tim states he is disappointed....what does he think the taxpayers are feeling.??? Again I would LOVE to hear his answer on that thought.
10/17/2012 10:46:22 PM
CM Punk says:
Tim's head is getting more and more rounder.
Welcome to the real world Timmy.
You did not get your way, when you too are all for wild and crazy spending.
RegenMed, the rusted poles, conservatory, the golf course, the list goes on and on.
And Sky High, the spending is wasted so much, it does not take an accountant to see it.
We the taxpayers see it. Obviously you adhere to city spending on wasteful things.
When my tax bills come next year you can pay for them.
10/17/2012 11:30:11 PM
sky high says:
CM punk, you are exactly the kind of person I am talking about. Here's proof that you do not even read the articles you comment on: You blame Commisso for continuing with the conservatory and the golf course, but CLEARLY, in the second paragraph, the article states that Commisso recommended axing these two things. You're so anxious to get your little say in that you don't even read the article. Simply amazing. Not Commisso's fault the city council members decided to vote against administration. This is why Commisso is....drum roll....DISAPPOINTED
10/18/2012 8:04:44 AM
collie says:
He is just mad the hockey arena oopss mean Multiplex was put off!!!
10/17/2012 11:37:30 PM
Just sayin' says:
Tim is trying to cut costs so he can build himself and his pals an empty event centre that loses a minimum of $2m per year. What we should do is build the event centre as an addition onto the auditorium. Other levels of government are only interested in funding events centre, not arena. Events centre will sit empty 360 days per year. We should get one of the hoteliers to integrate it into their design if it is such a good idea and get a private operator.
10/18/2012 1:06:11 AM
chezhank says:
To meet budget the city manager has to find $1.5 million in savings in the core budget review.
Unfortunately at budget time no "clowncillor" asked for specifics on what was going to be cut to get those savings.They just rubber stamped the budget as their usual and left it in the city manager's hands.
Clowncillors gave the city manager a blank check so to speak to cut services that were hinted at at budget time and are now telling him no.
The city manager may agree with me that he is dealing with a bunch of jabroni!
10/18/2012 5:04:34 AM
itshell says:
Do you know what is really funny here...is none of you have the balls to run for council and actually try to solve some problems you always complain about...but then again cowards are like that
10/18/2012 7:40:47 AM
collie says:
Not true chum some on here have !!!!
10/18/2012 7:33:04 PM
somthingtosay says:
It's unfortunate , now they will be looking for anyway to cut spending, so they can fix the sewage plant, Yes , they are fixing it .....they have to don't they...... we have not heard one word on how much that will cost,,,,,,let alone how much it will cost us taxpayers in the end, everything is very hush hush , but they are working away,

Just wonder exactly How much it will cost to REBUILD the plant??
10/18/2012 7:43:31 AM
old vienna says:
Blame the 3 headed monster named angus foulds and pugh.
10/18/2012 8:00:36 AM
SomeGuy says:
In the end it's council that decides how to spend the money, all administration does it recommend much it needs for what.

10/18/2012 8:31:12 AM
bttnk says:
Quit complaining about how incompetent Angus, Foulds, Pugh, etc are and vote these guys out the very next chance you get. These guys aren't concerned in the least about building a sustainable Thunder Bay, they are only worried about appeasing their pals. Time to say goodbye to these guys, we need people willing to stand up for the future generations. Not the old boys who haven't a clue about what it takes to build for the future.
10/18/2012 9:26:46 AM
howie275 says:
The only way for any of us to make a difference... is vote. Next election, how about a "cleansing" of the current city council!
10/18/2012 10:31:20 AM
Tom Sanderson says:
Next election, how about a "cleansing" of the current city council!

The problem is we need new names on the ballot at election time. Some of the current council have been around so long they have moss growing on them.
10/18/2012 1:00:23 PM
spinthebig4 says:
Infrastructure gap. our cities infrastructure is spread out across a huge geographic area. The best way to close that infrastructure gap is to make our community higher density. Quit building new subdivisions because they all have to be served by roads, power lines, sewers, bus routes,etc.
10/18/2012 10:39:08 AM
averagejoe says:
So... strip people of their property, force them to move downtown, where they can live in multi family residential units, and use mass transit. Sounds fantastic! No to UN Agenda 21.
10/19/2012 12:37:58 PM
Just sayin' says:
The only way we are going to get decent councillors that know what they are doing is to have fewer of them but make them full-time positions. Also, eliminate the ward system so we aren't in-fighting within the City and focus on making the city overall better. We should also give these guys monopoly money when they enter council to make them accountable. After investing in ReGen Med and golf courses their monopoly money depletes. If they invest in something and its successful they get a return and stay on council. If they run out of money they are not allowed to vote and get kicked off.
10/18/2012 10:58:49 AM
RBosch says:
All I can do is copy and repost my earlier coometn! It would seem there are some who would want to continue to live in a fantasy world and continue their attack on the Admin. rather than look at the cause of the decisions.

I can not believe the reaction of some people. As part of the review of the city's core businesses recommendations were made to get rid of some of the businesses that could have and immediate impact (municipal and the conservatory) and this was presented to council for their decision making. That is Administration's job and done under the guidance of Mr. Commmisso. It was COUNCIL that made the decision to ignore Admin's recommendations and people want to blame him for COUNCIL's decisions/flip flopping. It is little wonder he is frustrated! He is trying to do his job and is being undermined by our Council's lack of fortitude to make a decision and stick by it, because they have the desire to please small self interested groups and not listen to recommendations.
10/18/2012 11:04:09 AM
mysterybuff says:
Mr. Commisso says “I’m not surprised, but I am disappointed......These are difficult decisions I understand but the reality of it is there are more important things in my mind and that is getting our spending up on infrastructure.”
Key word here in this comment is "my mind". What he thinks is appropriate spending is not what the majority of taxpayers feel is appropriate spending. A multi-million $$ multiplex is not where I would like to see my tax $$ spent. Mr. Commisso works for the taxpayers - not the other way around. Such arrogance!
10/18/2012 11:14:18 AM
fastball says:
On the other hand, demanding that your tax dollars go only towards projects that meet your "approval" smacks of a certain arrogance as well.
10/18/2012 11:38:13 AM
p.o.ed taxpayer says:
are we editing and not posting responses to itshell?...makes you wonder his/her identity
10/18/2012 11:56:16 AM
realist72 says:
What about the redundancy in councillors that Thunder Bay has? It would make much more sense to only have 6 of them, simpler to make decisions, easier for the voters to make legitimate choices, and the level of savings in salary and expenses alone.
10/18/2012 12:32:30 PM
farmgal says:
The city could save more money by reducing the Administration jobs than they can by closing Municipal The Conservatory if it were upgraded properly could become a tourist attraction and bring in revenue to the City. Maybe they should close a couple of the hockey rinks. Too much of the taxpayers money goes to subsidize hockey. This city needs a little diversity and not just focus on specific sports.
10/18/2012 12:36:12 PM
Whodo says:
This last city council meeting when Mr Commisso starts out by saying "Quite Frankly" he has no intention of going to the public...
I didn't realize Mr Commisso had that kind of power, to have that say!
Why is our elected city councilors accepting this kind of arrogant behavior from an employee ?
Who made this man ?
When a councilor asks a question of Admin.I think they deserve an answer and you have the public to answer to.
10/18/2012 12:45:21 PM
rock steady says:
This is politics 201 folks. Our city "consultants",I mean councilors, need to make sure the city administrator does not look like a council lap dog so fiscal incompetence is not systematically obvious. Slick but I'm not buying it. These people need to go.
10/18/2012 1:04:33 PM
yqtyqt says:
I agree - many of these guys have got to go.

I would suggest you carefully prepare several lists. The first list are those items that these guys waste taxpayers money on. Those items that are nice to have things (multiplexs, artwork, waterfront parks, top end administrative positions). The second list are those items that are essential (proper water/sewage systems, care for the elderly, protective services, roadways/bridges, etc).

The next thing is to lay them all on the table in order from must haves to nice to haves. Ask admin what the essential and most critical services cost. As the money becomes available, and with an appropriate debt level) work towards making them happen.

The last thing we need to be doing is funding glitzy vote grabbing projects and leaving must haves behind. It's called long term planning.

Our CAO should be holding councils feet to the fire everytime they get the idea to stray too far from the plan. Thats your job as a professional Mr. Commisso

10/18/2012 2:51:20 PM
chezhank says:
With the unfortunate closing of Quality Market we'll probably be 63rd on the list.
10/18/2012 5:29:05 PM
mysterybuff says:
Come out to a meeting to be held next Tuesday, October 23rd at 7 pm at the Waverley Library sponsored by the Concerned Taxpayers of Thunder Bay to discuss the need for a plebiscite on the Multiplex.
10/18/2012 4:14:36 PM
The Badger Mountain Hermit says:
Tim insults the taxpayers' intelligence.
10/18/2012 4:18:37 PM
dad3192 says:
Just curious...how does Duluth (with a population of 85,000) sustain both the DECC (with attached arena), and the Amsoil Arena??.....Maybe if the multiplex is to be built, we should look at private sponsorhsip?
10/18/2012 9:10:41 PM
fastball says:
The DECC was built in the mid-60's, and has undergone expansion and upgrading since then. Minnesota took out a 250 million dollar loan in 2008 - and used it to rebuild bridges, roads and other infrastructure. Part of the bill was used to expand the DECC and create the Amsoil Arena.
The DECC has hosted the NCAA Hockey Mens Championships TWICE, plus the Women's Championships. The attached curling rink has hosted the USA Men's Curling Finals, plus the Olympic trials. The DECC has also hosted concerts, symphonies, graduations, WWE events, and other shows.
You can't tell me that that place has never poured money into the community. But hey, as long as people here will have to walk 5-8 minutes for parking, or see their tax bill go up by 25 dollars - that kind of CRAZY TALK will never fly in this town. We're far too busy watching our pennies...and ignore the potential dollars going elsewhere.
Now we have a potential vote being called - by people who will never go see an event in ANY case.
10/19/2012 8:57:34 AM
lori says:
Fastball, the city of Superior and 35,000 people are five minutes from this facility, not counted in the Duluth census data. Surrounding their area is in the area of 150,000 additional people that are within an hour away. That is not counting a 2 hour radius. Duluth enjoys one benefit we lack a large pool of custmoers. That unfortunately is our reality.
10/20/2012 8:31:17 AM
The Badger Mountain Hermit says:
There's WAY WAY more people who live in towns nearby. That's how. Population.
10/19/2012 4:12:28 PM
RBosch says:
All I can do is copy and repost my earlier coometn! It would seem there are some who would want to continue to live in a fantasy world and continue their attack on the Admin. rather than look at the cause of the decisions.

I can not believe the reaction of some people. As part of the review of the city's core businesses recommendations were made to get rid of some of the businesses that could have and immediate impact (municipal and the conservatory) and this was presented to council for their decision making. That is Administration's job and done under the guidance of Mr. Commmisso. It was COUNCIL that made the decision to ignore Admin's recommendations and people want to blame him for COUNCIL's decisions/flip flopping. It is little wonder he is frustrated! He is trying to do his job and is being undermined by our Council's lack of fortitude to make a decision and stick by it, because they have the desire to please small self interested groups and not listen to recommendations.
10/19/2012 12:00:02 PM
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