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2012-10-19 at 13:50

Opposition continues to criticize as Liberal MPPs say prorogation was the right move

By Leith Dunick, tbnewswatch.com
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Despite mounting pressure from opposition parties, Thunder Bay’s Liberal MPPs maintain outgoing Premier Dalton McGuinty was justified in proroguing the Ontario legislature.

On Friday, with NDP MPPs launching a back-to-work campaign, their attempt to have McGuinty recall the legislature, Michael Gravelle said the atmosphere at Queen’s Park was making it almost impossible to get any work done.

The government was struggling to broker a deal with public-sector workers and earlier forced through legislation that essentially took away their right to bargain collectively.

Gravelle said it’s easier to bargain outside the legislature, which is why he’s hesitatingly supporting the premier’s decision.

“I’m as uncomfortable as anyone with prorogation. I do believe that we should obviously have an opportunity to be in the House at all times. And I want to be there to not just respond to the debates that go on and the questions that come to me," Gravelle said.
“But the fact is we are in a situation now where the premier is trying to get a wage-freeze agreement and the signals are that indeed he might have more success doing it in an atmosphere outside of the House.”

Gravelle said taxpayers needn’t worry, adding he expects all parties to be back at Queen’s Park sooner, rather than later, though he did suggest it may not be until a new Liberal leader, and thus premier, is chosen.

“And in the meantime I’m working hard, as are all my colleagues. I’ll be working with the opposition. I’ll be working with everyone to try to make sure we are doing are job,” Gravelle said, noting taxpayers have a right to be concerned.

“They have every right to expect a government that works hard and members who work hard. One of the points I’ve made over the years is some of the most significant work we do is outside of the legislature, in our ridings and working with opposition members that even since Monday I’ve had a number of interactions with my colleagues, both from the government side and the opposition side related to what we’re working on.”

Opponents of prorogation are up in arms about being shut out from Queen’s Park, stating it means current bills and motions have been lost, including a review of the Local Health Integration Networks, a bill that would prevent future government scandals like Ornge and all private members’ bills.

MPP Cindy Forster (NDP, Welland) said Friday in a release that voters elected representatives to do a job and the Ontario Liberals, faced with a leadership crisis after McGuinty announced his resignation on Monday, are more interested in their internal problems than with governing the province.

“When they closed the doors of Queen’s Park, a lot of important work ceased, including an investigation into the cancellation of the Mississauga and Oakville gas plants,” Forster said. “It’s obvious to everyone that the scandal was spiraling out of control, and kicking us out of Queen’s Park was the easiest way to stop it.”

Earlier this week Kenora NDP MPP Sarah Campbell told local media the prorogation would have an adverse affect on her ability to push legislation beneficial to the North.

“Later this month I was set to introduce my first private member’s bill that was aimed at setting the economic conditions necessary to expand the Northern economy. The lock out kills this bill and means a new random draw will be held when we are allowed back, which could delay the bill by a year or more,” Campbell said.

Thunder Bay-Atikokan Liberal MPP Bill Mauro said it’s a case of the pot calling the kettle black, pointing to much longer prorogations called by both the Conservative and NDP governments of the past.

And, he added, it will really only cost the House about four weeks of actual sitting time before the traditional holiday shutdown.

“We shouldn’t let others get away with overstating the length of time that this is really affecting. We would normally rise at the beginning of December,” Mauro said, backing McGuinty’s decision.

“That’s about eight weeks from now. There are at least two constituency weeks, so that’s six weeks of sitting. And we went back to the legislature two weeks early.”

 

 

 

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yqtyqt says:
While I don't agree with an NDP member often, Cindy Forster has this right. We just had an election. The Libs just had a provincial conference during which McGuinty stated that he would stay on until the next election. Its too bad he lied to his own party & ontarians. But even they should know that he's incapable of being truthful.

There's lots of work to be done. The economy is going under faster than the Titanic. If the Libs can't get their act together, then call an election.

I hate to say it, but right about now I'd vote for any party that has a chance of replacing a flock of liars. I may even vote for the dippers if they have a reasonable chance of forming the govt.

Voters in many ridings across Ontario like what Horvath represents and see her as honest & caring. In my opinion, I little misguided perhaps, but honest.

Surely, nothing can be much worse than we have right now.

I think someone should check McGuintys birth certificate to be sure that it isn't fake.
10/19/2012 2:10:46 PM
yqtyqt says:
These two guys are nothing but followers. Their lips are moving, but nothing is coming out.

They say that they are leadership hopefuls, maybe. But they haven't uttered a sentence without clearing it with their bosses in Toronto.

Just another example of spineless, and gutless rhetoric from our MPPs. Very sad.

Its time for a change folks. Any change will do at this time. We're at a standstill in Ontario, with important financial and political issues on the backburner until the Libs choose to get their house in order. The debt clock is tiking. But the ships ready to go under, don't wait too long.
10/19/2012 2:24:29 PM
CM Punk says:
It does not matter who you put in, they are all the same.
All three parties have not been so kind to Ontario let alone Northern Ontario. So why would someone actually think electing someone from the other two would change things?
They are going to be faced with the same fiscal situation the province is in.
Cuts are gonna need to be made, maybe deep ones and its gonna hurt but no way about it.
Think twice before you cast the stone and elect a new party.
The Libs are not saints by any means.
Given the choices we have, I rather not vote at all.
10/19/2012 2:46:40 PM
Just sayin' says:
Stop waiting for Government to act, we need to go out and act in our own best interests and stop waiting. For starters, they are not going to have the money, second they are too upset at ruffling a single feather which is sometimes what needs to be done for action to take place, and third for politicians there sure isn't much leadership capability.
10/19/2012 4:31:19 PM
jb says:
It's been pretty obvious over the last little while that MPs and MPPs aren't allowed to speak for themselves without being disciplined. We knew what Gravelle and Mauro would say before the media asked them so why give them a platform to feed us these canned responses? Also, on all the articles about McGuinty resigning, I find it amazing to see the anger towards the party itself. The only difference between the Liberals, Conservatives & NDP is that they have different colours on their lawn signs. They all lie & they all have special interests in mind that take priority over the people they represent.
10/19/2012 3:35:51 PM
The Beaver..... says:
i would vote for Gravelle to be the new Premier
because he can talk all the others to death.
A Spin doctor of the finest kind.
10/19/2012 3:41:17 PM
The Badger Mountain Hermit says:
Parrots.
10/19/2012 4:00:21 PM
tadzup says:
They would.
10/19/2012 4:36:10 PM
keiths31 says:
Liberal supporters were quite vocal when Harper did the same thing. Pretty quiet now. I personally don't care either way. There is nothing illegal in what Harper did or McGuinty.
10/19/2012 4:40:33 PM
mercy mercy me says:
for shame Bill , i voted for you and your party and you both let me down...you have become just as foolhardy and arrogant as your brother
10/19/2012 5:35:28 PM
mikethunderbay says:
You saw what happened to rafferty and hyer, did you ever consider that maybe these two are thinking of tbay when they give their responses. If they were to come out and slam mcguinty do you think it might then become harder for them to lobby for thunder bay when they go to queens park. I realize that would require actual thought and not just the grad 1 response. These two have brought more to thunder bay than any other two mpps in their respective ridings history and i would challenge anyone to prove me wrong (that means facts). these guys got the money to finish the highway and 4 lane it. angioplasty at the hospital which everyone who previously needed that procedure had to go to southern O to get. The NOHFC fund has been I believe more than doubled. The first new law school in 40 years in ontario, money for the waterfront, a thousand new jobs at Bombardier, I could go on but I'm running out of characters.
10/19/2012 7:32:03 PM
animiki says:
Your support of these two and their party is laudable, but you're being a little too generous with your praise. Under the Liberals, the NOHFC was increased, but correspondingly more money has been lost to bad investments, such as Tornado, Global Sticks, support for Buchanan projects, NAC Air, etc. Bombardier's good fortune has had little to do with them--that's a function of expansion of MRT systems globally and improved productivity investments by Bombardier. The waterfront was primarily a local initiative and the funding to support it was primarily the result of hard work by proponents and the Boards of organizations such as the NOHFC. I'll grant the highway funding, but as an offset, these two did almost nothing to provide meaningful support to the forest products industry regarding the cost of electricity and availability of wood supply; the government programs to "support" that industry were poorly conceived and largely ineffective.
10/22/2012 11:26:19 AM
animiki says:
Cont'd...one could argue that the Liberals, through their policies, have done serious harm to the forest products industry, failing to act in any way to offset that industry's reliance on a low dollar as a substitute for any meaningful investments in productivity (the industry deserves a slam here, too). And most egregiously, this government only exists because it blew $230 million of taxpayers money to "buy" two seats in Toronto, by cancelling major, but unpopular energy projects. I have no way of knowing what Gravelle and Mauro knew about that, but one presumes they had some inkling; why didn't they speak out against that? This prorogation just continues a cynical manipulation of democracy in Ontario. If it's hard to get things done around QP...tough. That's your workplace. You're a minority government. Suck it up and find compromises with the opposition, or call an election. They want to govern from the shadows. Four weeks is four weeks, is too much.
10/22/2012 11:32:50 AM
mikethunderbay says:
I look forward to seeing your name on the ballot and at the debates running against Mr.Mauro in the next election. Unfortunately for you that would require submitting a real name and not sitting behind a keyboard. As is the case with most on this site, thats very unlikely to happen because in order to do that, you would have to research and get facts and not just talk because you would be forced to back it up. There was a word I learned in school, it was after grade 1 however. Coward, you along with many more on this site should look it up. If was Mr. Mauro I would have given up on the people of this city (who all seem to complain about everything) long ago. The fact that neither he or Mr. Gravelle have shows me what kind of people they are.
10/19/2012 7:37:21 PM
Fluffy says:
I can't stand politicians. Bunch of self serving babbling circus clowns. This province is going down the toilet sad to say.
10/19/2012 5:39:35 PM
ComradeLeninHiawathaZwig says:
Cue Lori:

"Name me one pol-uh-ti-shan in the last fifty years who has done more for the region than Billy and Mikey! I'm not partisan, I just unquestioningly support my chosen party like it's my lucky Bingo number! But but but! Evidence!"
10/19/2012 10:55:46 PM
lori says:
Here I am my Stalin supporter. Like most on this site, you shoot the messanger because you cannot refute the message. So answer Mike's question as he has asked the same one I have. Who has been better. by the way in typical TBnewswatch responses, not one comment about the actual comments by Mr. Mauro.
All of this hoopala because the house in missing four weeks of sitting. Are Mr. Mauro's comments accurate. How would anyone know because no one would ever think to ask. If they are true, that makes Ms. Campbell's inaccurate because in those four weeks, no way she is going to get her bill passed. so who exactly is misleading who. Mike forgot to ask one question. Name me one MP or MPP from T.Bay that has publicly criticized their leader whether in government or not. I will wait till the cow jumps over the moon for that answer.
Mike was wrong about one thing, he thought some folks here graduated from Grade 1. The insultive boorish stuff is all they know. It is why I respond in kind.
10/20/2012 8:25:49 AM
NDP says:
"All of this hoopala because the house in missing four weeks of sitting."

If I don't show up to my job, I get fired. Perhaps it's time for the Liberals to get fired if they don't want to do their elected duties.

"Name me one MP or MPP from T.Bay that has publicly criticized their leader whether in government or not. I will wait till the cow jumps over the moon for that answer."

Umm, Bruce Hyer over the long gun registry? And when he did, you took the piss out of him for that, too, so don't pretend like such an MP doesn't exist or that you find it admirable. You'd only find it admirable if a Liberal had that much testicle because you're a partisan hack.
10/21/2012 12:36:20 AM
mercy mercy me says:
what's that old adage one heard on the playground during grade 1 recess or shortly thereafter....how's that "sticks and stones" thingy goin' for the three of you
10/20/2012 7:32:38 AM
mikethunderbay says:
So no answer to any of my questions. I'm shocked, thank god I'm already sitting down.
10/20/2012 1:48:02 PM
Cletus Van-Damme says:
Try sayin' prorogation 10 times real fast.
10/20/2012 8:58:43 AM
lori says:
Cletus, you made this old gal smile

Mercy mercy---- if you check my other postings you will see I respond to adult postings in adult language.

As for the insultive, childish, and hateful language that people seem to think they can use against politicians, public sector workers or just anyone they happen to disagree with, I gave up long ago trying to take the high road with those folk.

So yeap, I get down in the mud to. It is likely all they are capable of. Oops, there I go again
10/20/2012 4:36:00 PM
The Beaver..... says:
you know Lori why i love you so much...you are willing to defend the not defensible.God i wish i had you in my corner.
10/21/2012 12:46:46 PM
Tim H. says:
Its ez to get her in your corner. all you have to do is buy her off using tax dollars from future generations. just sign her name to debt and interest, take your cut, tell her everything is great, buy off her friends too and she'll be loyal like the best dog anyone ever had.

she has no loyalty to ontario, only to her greed.

we need to have politicians who put ontario and canada first, not ones who cater to people who just take and take from others. thats why these libs are no good, they just try to buy everyone off with there own money!!!
10/22/2012 1:03:45 PM
p.o.ed taxpayer says:
Its all about the motive!!
No reason an interim leader couldn't be appointed...
10/22/2012 9:57:57 AM
lori says:
my greed, Amazing. What pray tell do I get out of this debt stuff. No job, no increase in pension, no nothing. It did create lots and lots of jobs for those that didn't have any.

But you "expert critics" have at er. Only the Liberals in Ontario are bad. Not the Federal Tories, not the provincial NDP's, not the provincial Liberals, not the US Democrats, not the US Republicans, not countries all over the world who went into deficits when the economy blew up.

I have stated a 100 times. I do not like debt. Never did. Joe Clark was the best PM we could have had for fighting debt and us hairbrained Canadians voted him out.

BUT, and I will say it again, BUT, if we are going to have debt, I'll take what they are giving up here any day.

and as I keep repeateing but no one has yet accepted.

Name me a gov't who has done more for us. Name me an MP or MPP who has brought more for us in 50 years. Just name one.

We got critics of everything Liberal. Keep typying boys. Its fun.
10/22/2012 8:52:36 PM
NDP says:
"Name me a gov't who has done more for us. Name me an MP or MPP who has brought more for us in 50 years. Just name one."

People have answered this question a million times. Bill Davis. Can you please stop asking this same tedious question on every story? It gets answered every time. I don't know why you pretend like it doesn't.
10/23/2012 7:38:16 PM
yqtyqt says:
I think most people on this site would prefer that our elected MPPs show up to work and earn their money. Represent this people who voted for them as opposed to hanging on to their leaders shirttails.

I would also think that most people on this site would prefer honesty, integrity, and forward selfthinkers when considering who they want to repesent them. I don't see this in Billy. He hasn't mumbled a sentence other than when Dalton has written a script for him.

I don't measure a man by how much he owes. Let alone how much he has borrowed on behalf of others. Particularly when the others are my grandchildren.

You can debate any issue you want with intelligent, informed posters. But when they're wrong & simply in awe of an MPP (despite his warts), then he can do no wrong. Even if it means killing the hopes of future generations.

Most people here understand the importance of quality individuals from law abiding families who will preserve the economic future for Thunder Bay.
10/23/2012 10:14:58 AM
lori says:
wow yqt, almost a well written rebuttal.I too respect people who give their word. My MPP gave his word that he would fight with us in Atikokan to save his plant. He would fight his own government and all MPP's of all parties who were closing our plant. He fought beside us and we won. The plant in T.Bay is also staying open. You must think that is a miracle.
We got heart services here. Must be another miracle. We got a law school and a new courthouse. I don't think many of them are being built in Ontario. Another miracle.
But YQT, your avoidance is the most telling. YOu keep telling us how bad they are. Just tell us who has been better for T.Bay in the last 50 years. Tell us who has done a better job than Gravell and Mauro. That's all. Pretty simple question.

As for quality individuals, I will take a man who publicly stands to represent us, than an anonymouse blogger who doesn't know any other way but to criticize. Nothing is ever good enough for you. Very sad.
10/23/2012 8:14:29 PM
pc says:
OK lori, you got the coal plant for a few more years.
we got closed mill towns, yes some of it was the economy but add in the high energy costs and taxes and that hastened the demise of the mills and towns.
We got a new hospital in TB under Mike Harris. You got the spin that it was liberals who did it all.
We got hydro costs where we pay the States to take our excess power and wind power that costs too much to be viable.
You got the spin to say it is environmentally friendly.
closing gas plants. You got two saved Liberal seats, we got a massive bill to kill the contracts.
With the helicopter fiasco we got large bills less service and possible deaths.
You got What did you get out of that???
You say we got heart services in TB that is true but if the helicopters are not available to get a heart patient there from the outlying regions what good is that for us.
No miracles do not happen but under the Liberals the things we do get cost us an arm and a leg.
10/25/2012 6:14:07 AM
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