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2012-10-24 at 14:31

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By Leith Dunick, tbnewswatch.com

THUNDER BAY -- The region's hospital is rapidly running out of space and is about to get at least 75,000 square feet larger.

On Wednesday Thunder Bay Regional Health Sciences Centre president and CEO Andree Robichaud held court at the outer edge of the facility’s Oliver Road boundary, announcing a new health services centre that will house a number of key programs, including cardiac out-patient services.

Hospital officials will also decide in the next three weeks or so if the building, designed by Form Architecture, will house the much-anticipated cyclotron.

Robichaud said the time is right to build the facility, expected to cost between $15 million and $20 million.

“It really demonstrates that we’re making progress on our journey to becoming an academic health science centre, because some of this expansion is due to the work we do with the Northern Ontario School of Medicine and with Lakehead University,”

Robichaud said after a ceremonial groundbreaking that included acting mayor Iain Angus and Tom Jones Jr., whose construction company is slated to build the facility.

Robichaud said the delivery of more outpatient services is a key factor in the decision to add a new building to the hospital complex.

By keeping people healthier and out of the hospital, it frees up beds for other patients, she said.

“We can use our crucial space inside our hospital for the inpatient services,” she said. One example is cardiac services. When you come to see your cardiologist, you’d come in here.”

She’s hoping the doors are open as soon as next Christmas, adding a medical clinic and pharmacy have committed to move in and lease a portion of the space.

Chief architect Cory Stechyshyn said the design will draw on the existing hospital’s look and be built with the environment in mind.

“We’ve tried our best to give it its own unique ability, but still have some allusion to the existing Thunder Bay Regional Health Sciences Centre so they can create sort of a cohesive health-care campus,” he said.

The construction, scheduled to start in the next few weeks, will maximize southern exposure to allow for winter solar heat gain and increase the amount of natural daylight all year round.
 

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Tim H. says:
Well, that photo should generate some great captions. Its almost uncanny how much symbolism is in it.
10/24/2012 2:51:32 PM
Tom Sanderson says:
Excellent.
I'm glad to hear they broke ground on this project.
10/24/2012 3:11:08 PM
The Beaver..... says:
sooo why did we not see a tender call...please tell
we the shareholders...(Taxpayers) would like to see that.
10/24/2012 5:23:45 PM
edhtbon says:
There was no tender because I don't believe the building is going to be publicly funded. I am fairly certain Tom Jones will own the building and will be responsible for renting/leasing it out. The sign advertising the project lists Tom Jones Property Management as the developer, not the hospital.
10/24/2012 11:14:13 PM
bttnk says:
Beaver, you don't have a clue what you are talking about. There was a tender, it was posted on Merx. Are you just looking for a reason to complain?
10/25/2012 9:54:32 AM
cachinnate says:
We did.
10/25/2012 12:43:29 PM
Yo_tbay says:
I know this will draw some negative-comment-slamming to my comment, but I still have to ask...WHY did they build such a small hospital to replace two hospitals?? People I know that have had to visit Emerg say the dept is jammed with patients and the corridors are lined with people. Why couldn't they have foreseen this?
10/24/2012 8:04:07 PM
combatwombat says:
"held court" ha ha thats funny,
why WAS the hospital smaller: Simple money. Its costs the government about 1100+ bucks a day to fund one bed. An american relative visiting got sick , had no coverage and got a bill, it came to approx that amount a day.
And why smaller? the government at that time felt putting in place services outside the hospital would would allow sending people home sooner to convalesce.
As to the ER, it sees many people who have no family doctor, and/or did not go to a walk in clinic for a 3 week long cough or a cut pinky.
thats why it backs up , and they cannot send people out the door...
10/24/2012 9:55:38 PM
Tim H. says:
Money?

So your saying that all that wasted money put into decorating that disaster should have been better spent on function instead of fashion?

Next time someone is dying in emergency and its all backed up, look outside at that stupid wooden scaffolding they built all around that dump and thank those decision makers for their part in your declining level of health care.
10/25/2012 10:47:55 AM
Buddy says:
It comes down to common sense. 99% of this city has none.
10/25/2012 1:26:23 PM
Chaos says:
The rich get richer using taxpayer dollars. I do not see this project up for tender, but the parking lot expansion is. Please correct me if i'm wrong. "$15 million and $20 million" please don't hold your breath.
10/24/2012 8:27:49 PM
Dunroamin says:
Look out mayo we're growing another positive step putting Thunder Bay into the big leagues of health and lifestyle.
Congrats to the local businesses investing in this project thanks for your faith
10/24/2012 10:49:57 PM
wayne says:
Does that $15 to $20M include housing the uncertain cyclotron? If not, add an additional $10M+ to the construction costs. Let's call it $40M when all is done.
10/25/2012 4:04:26 AM
TBDR says:
What's uncertain about the cyclotron? It was confirmed months ago... it was confirmed last week... and now its being mentioned again this week... I don't follow. Also if it's being built by a private developer, what's your concern unless you own shares in TJPM?
10/25/2012 10:04:21 AM
mercy mercy me says:
off topic and snide....ian anguish manages to 'inflict' himself into more photo opps than the kardashians....is there an agenda ian or are you just a media hog?
10/25/2012 4:33:48 AM
jimmyboy says:
my reply to "edhtbon"....your posting is most confusing to say the very least.!!

How is it that you believe this building is not being built with taxpayer monies.??? as well how is it that Tom Jones will own the building all the while with it sitting on land which belongs to John Q Public.???

One last question to you...is it your stance that as per your take on this....that this is the way it should be structured.??? please offer me up your explanation as to why the TBDRHSC should not be the landlord/building owner.?

In closing....this building should have been sent out to PUBLIC TENDER....plain and simple...no different than I have pondered for some time now as to how the Medical Building which sits adjacent to the hospital is owned by a group of private shareholders...in my opinion again this is shady to say the very least...this building should be owned and operated by the Hospital Management and Board of Directors.!

I'll be awaiting your reply with the answers to the questions.
10/25/2012 9:28:18 AM
bttnk says:
jimmyboy, this was tendered publically on Merx. In addition the hospital will be a major shareholder in the new building as it is in the Medical Centre. They will share in the profit, risk and investment.
10/25/2012 12:02:19 PM
cachinnate says:
This project was posted on MERX under the “Canadian Public Tenders” section
The first paragraph of the description starts as follows:
“Invitation to Proponents
This Request for Proposals (“RFP”) is an invitation by THUNDER BAY REGIONAL Health Sciences Centre to prospective proponents to submit proposals for the provision of a Design-Build Project to establish a Medical Office Building at 980 Oliver Road….”
As for the ownership of the building:
“… would require the Proponent to design and build a Medical Office building that would be owned and operated by the Proponent. The Proponent would be responsible for the design and construction within a fixed price for the project and would be required to finance the project. The Proponent would sign a long term land lease with the TBRHSC .”

10/25/2012 12:31:58 PM
cachinnate says:
Another paragraph from the RFP:
“It is anticipated the activity of the new Medical Office Building and the other facilities on the TBRHSC campus will be attractive and supportive of various types of ancillary-use commercial and retail operations. There are a number of areas that have been identified by the TBRHSC for potential operations.

The Proponent will have the responsibility to pursue these and other potential tenants….”
To conclude,
1. This was put out in the form of a public notice.
2. The building is ‘owned’ by the developer, in this case, Tom Jones property management or whatever consortium they’ve created.
Any more questions?


10/25/2012 12:33:30 PM
edhtbon says:
Go on Jones' website and check out where they have available space for rent. You will find the first Pro Building at the hospital advertised there. The hospital has obviously developed quite the partnership with this construction firm. I was merely making a positive statement on the issue, not a normative statement. I'm not sure what in my original comment got your mind in such a knot. Apparently, according to bttnk, this building did go to tender so I may stand corrected there. Nonetheless, private-public partnerships are common today like them or not (ie. the courthouse).
10/25/2012 1:35:45 PM
jimmyboy says:
my reply to "cachinnate" and to "bttnk"....first to bttnk....thank you for the information provided...please note that as per the information provided by "cachinnate"...under the terms and conditions of the tender....there is no way that the TBDRHSC is in any way a major shareholder what so ever.

Thanks to "cachinnate" for all of the additional information you provided..it is much appreciated.!

And lastly my reply to "edhtbon"...my mind is hardly in a knot to use your words...you did not really answer...the following: 1/Is this the way this deal should be structured..if so explain your reasoning 2/ please offer me up your explanation as to why the TBDRHSC should not be the landlord/building owner...if this has so much potential.?

I would like to add...that Tom Jones construction was a major, major player in the initial TBDRHSC project...which for everyones information went over budget by a WHOPPING 58%...and that isn't chump change in the land I resdie in.!!!

Oh and your post of "There was no tender because I don't believe the building is going to be publicly funded"..has now been clarified as being incorrect.!

and I must address "TBDR's" post to The Beaver...he has every right to pose the thought he did...stop trolling everyone already..get yourself a more productive past time.
10/25/2012 4:04:42 PM
bttnk says:
Jimmyboy. Please do yourself a favour and read the entire tender. Then ask yourself if TBRHSC leasing the land, long term, to Tom Jones Construction, would qualify them as having a major vested interest in the project.
10/26/2012 8:59:19 AM
chezhank says:
Hospital officials should do a PET scan of the architectural drawings to see if there is room for a cyclotron.
One 'woulda thunk' if the cyclotron was to be included in this project they 'mighta'informed the architect.
Tbnewswatch.com

10/25/2012 5:39:21 PM
jimmyboy says:
My reply to "bttnk"....please remind me NOT to ever ask you for any kind of investment advice pretty please..:)
10/27/2012 11:55:39 AM
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