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2012-11-02 at 15:25

Powered up: Local, regional leaders speak out about OPA

By Leith Dunick, tbnewswatch.com
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Ron Nelson isn’t mincing words, calling the Ontario Power Authority’s decision to halt the conversion the Ontario Power Generation plant to natural gas a blunder of the worst kind.

The Northwestern Ontario Municipal Association president also told an emergency meeting of the city’s intergovernmental liaison committee it’s time for the OPA’s board of governors to resign.

“A little out of touch is a mild way to put it,” said Nelson, concerned the region will be left with a power shortage if the plant is ultimately mothballed when the provincial mandate for power generating stations to wean themselves off coal comes into effect on Jan. 1, 2015.

“It’s frankly appalling that the Ontario Energy Board tells the OPA that the plan they have in place is not going to work in Northwestern Ontario. And then we find out today they have suspended the conversion of the Thunder Bay generating station,” Nelson said.

“Somebody’s out of tune, somebody’s out of whack and it’s time that that OPA really start to listen or maybe have some good dialogue with us and tell us exactly how this is going to work.”

Nelson said the closing of the plant – Energy Minister Chris Bentley on Thursday said it’s a temporary suspension while the OPA unveils a plan to deliver energy to the North at a savings of $400 million – puts the Northern Ontario Growth Plan in jeopardy.

The OPA and OPG were in the midst of a power-purchase agreement negotiation when the decision to halt the pipeline was made.

“How do you grow if you don’t have the power to sustain and establish and bring in brand new businesses and keep the businesses that they have here and know that they’re going to have good, clean, reliable power?” Nelson asked. 

Mayor Keith Hobbs said the decision flies in the face of everything the region is trying to build, adding the OPA has a made a “horrible mistake.” Hobbs, who said if the plant is closed he’ll insist that the site be fully remediated, is convinced that’s exactly what the OPA is trying to force the OPG to do.

And he wants to know their reasoning.

“I would really like to see the analysis and their study as to how they came about to this. I think there’s something that we’re missing here. I think the Enbridge deal and all that is the driver of this. We’re totally caught off guard by this,” said Hobbs, insisting city leaders were assured by the province at the Good Roads and the Association of Municipalities of Ontario conferences that the conversion project would go ahead.

“(Former Energy Minister Brad) Duguid gave a directive to the OPA to get a deal done.”

According to figures supplied the city, the region presently produces about 680 MW of the 702 MW it needs each year through hydro-electric power.

That’s assuming perfect weather. If a drought hits, 306 MW is needed from the generating station, with an additional 20 MW funneled through Atikokan and 150 MW through the East-West tie line, which the province has promised to expand.

By 2016 the projected energy load is 1,065 MW, with 304 MW coming from either the Thunder Bay generating station or the East-West tie-line. Beyond 2016 the demand jumps to 1,323 MW, which without a local generating station would mean about 700 MW of power would need to be imported, likely from Minnesota or Manitoba as well as southern Ontario. 

The numbers frighten Coun. Joe Virdiramo, chairman of the IGLC, especially if drought conditions do arise.

“There isn’t going to be enough power, no matter what they say, no matter where it comes from,” he said. “It’s interesting that the government is saying they will provide the power through the East-West line, but that isn’t built. It’s not there yet.”

MPP Bill Mauro said he fully supports the calls of city and regional leaders to keep the conversion process on the table and moving forward.

“We all believe the OPA has gotten this fundamentally wrong and I look forward to continuing the battle,” Mauro said, offering to facilitate a meeting between Bentley and the regional leaders.

Nelson wasn’t sure why the decision was made and said he’s not sure why the OPA never seems to understand the region’s energy needs.

“Maybe they live in an Eiffel Tower in Toronto and really don’t care. The fact of the matter is, it’s a blunder. It’s a mistake plain and simple. The people of Northwestern Ontario deserve better.”

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gusto says:
I know how to get more power. We could use wind. Maybe put the turbines in areas that get alot of wind and use that power to supplement our area.


Oh wait. NIMBY.
11/2/2012 3:56:09 PM
mercy mercy me says:
just when i was becoming used to being deemed a second class citizen of ontario, now i'm relegated steerage...and when the ship sinks, i will be the first to drown
11/2/2012 3:57:15 PM
jd says:
How can this be a surprise. Manitoba has been in negotiations with Ontario for a few years from my understanding to supply power to us. They have expanded their system and can provide cheap power to others unlike the deregulated over inflated prices Ontario charges.
11/2/2012 4:00:12 PM
Daxxis says:
Thunder Bay is should be getting used to this sort of treatment. I think a locally-initiated solution would be a GREAT idea. Such as: wind, solar, or other locally owned solution. Making Thunder Bay self-sufficient would be a fantastic idea. Provide jobs, and probably generate revenue if we did it right.
11/2/2012 4:21:37 PM
ring of fire dude says:
Wind and solar ? These options were created by the McGuinty Gov't just to keep the tree huggers happy and to make the Ontario citizens feel all warm and fuzzy thinking they were a big part of the Eco-movement. Just buy the power from Manitoba and pay for transmission lines and not over-cost power from OPG .
11/2/2012 5:20:18 PM
sky high says:
Hey wait, this might be good news. They shaft us on power, but now we put heavy pressure on the govt to rip us a cheque for the multiplex. A consolatory cheque if you will.....hmmmmmm.....
11/2/2012 4:49:06 PM
Chaos says:
Where is Mauro and Gravelle?
11/2/2012 4:54:16 PM
tbayguy009 says:
Ummm, wasn't this one of those election promises made, just to get some votes. And it worked. Hmmm

That was its only purpose.

Maybe I am confused since there have been so many lies and manipulations of public trust, it makes a person's head spin if you think about it too much.

Heck it was even because of McGimpy that an Ontario court judge ruled, election promises don't mean squat. After the election. The moral standard has forever been lowered. Best ..? haha

Look around TBay. The electoral map is a sea of orange (not to be confused with ORNG). Execpt for two lonely riddings, because the sheeple here bought these lies.

Suck it up anyway. Isn't everyone here claiming that wind power is the answer. Uh, but like the rain may not fall, so the wind my not blow. These are the days of our ...

Not beleiving these hucksters would have really changed provincal politics entirely.

Bait the election, and switch the reality later.

TBay is just like a deer caught in the headlights now.
11/2/2012 4:55:09 PM
EJ says:
The forest industry is half the size and the remaining paper mills now have co-generation. What happened to the power they were using?

There are several wind turbine and solar generations projects already online. New hydro project are in the works with First Nations and the big conversion to wood bio-mass.

The projected demand by 2016 is only a dream.

11/2/2012 6:33:27 PM
RBosch says:
There is no plan to purchase MW's from Manitoba because Manitoba does not have any excess generation to sell to Ontario. They have committed all of their excess generation to the US, mainly because Ontaro waslked away from earlier plans. Wind and Solar can not be used in the mix, because both or marginal generation. Wind Generation depends on the wind to blow, which happens 20% of the time on average and Solar is only good when the sun is shining. Both of these types of generation would be used to offset the need to run a)hydroelectric genration and replenish the watersheds and b) back down more expensive generation that may be in service. We need reliable generation within our Region and that is supplied by either Hydroelctric or Thermal. The matter is far more complicated than this type of forum can allow.
11/2/2012 8:54:27 PM
jd says:
Not that I don't believe you but this is right from the Manitoba Hydro website and was updated in May of this year.

Two of the proposed lines run directly through Thunder Bay.
11/3/2012 4:10:20 PM
brooky says:
Relax everyone. Lori will log on soon and tell us all how great the Liberal party is, and how wonderful they are, and how much they did for all of us. Yea. The Libs. The party that nobody wants to run for the leadership of. That party Lori.
11/2/2012 9:19:18 PM
chezhank says:
Virdiramo and Angus should remember they voted in favour of a potential 79 MW of power with wind turbines on the NorWesters....so they can bank on that power.....!
11/2/2012 10:42:41 PM
chezhank says:
Yes Mr.Angus you voted for a Potential 79 MW of wind power.....!
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11/2/2012 10:54:32 PM
Shiho says:
If closing Thunder Bay GS as a coal powered station, and not repowering it with natural gas is such a good idea (because we dont need the power apparently)

Then WHY continue with the Wind Turbines?

There is only a FIT power contract for 16MW, so that should be cheap to cancel.
Also- the more wind thats built the more need for stable backup power like a natural gas generator.
Also, the cost of the wind power is 13.5 cents/kwh- about 2 and a half times more expensive than gas , and wind is unreliable and has low capacity factor.

Just cancel the overpriced unreliable wind projects
11/2/2012 11:38:22 PM
waterunderthebridge says:
Whilest this decision is too late - sorry to say it is the correct decision. What was the incorrect decision was the decision to shut these plants down in the first place. Shut down those down south but not these. BTW - burning biomass aka Atikokan is environmentally worse than burning coal - both from a CO2 and cost perspective. Now that the forest industry is decimated these plants should be shut down due to lack of need - at least until the new line is built to Wawa so it can be sent down south.

Total incompetence and now they will pay Union gas a big payoff - just like they paid off those utilities down south not to build the gas fired plants. Guess a few liberals must own gas stocks.
11/3/2012 2:03:25 AM
jimmyboy says:
If someone could have harnessed all of the the "WIND ENERGY" being created by of all those being quoted in this story....we without doubt netted a few MW free of charge.

Keeping in mind that Ontario's bank account when it comes to the topic of gas fired plants has been severely drained...the NDP and Tories say taxpayers are stuck with a $1 billion bill for the Liberals' decisions to cancel the two gas plants in Oakville and Mississauga to save Liberal seats down east, but the liberal government puts the total cost at $230 million....so which is the actual cost to taxpayers really....or will we every know.???

So with that said....we have MPP Bill Mauro offering to be a facilitator....a most interesting twist....it is highly unlikely he'll get much mileage from that train of thought....so all believe now that the only alternative will result in the importation likely from Minnesota or Manitoba as well as southern Ontario....where is the actual evidence for this mindset....and has anyone done any analysis at all on either side of the fence as to the IMPACT this will have on the RING of FIRE scenario.???



11/3/2012 7:43:13 AM
arjay says:
Horatio Mauro, and Elmer Gravel, will ride to the rescue!! "NOT"
11/3/2012 8:25:12 AM
jonthunder says:
The OPA either has a plan to save $400 million and meet all Northwestern Ontario power needs for the short, medium and long term or it does not; there is no need to have such a suspension or delay on this plant. Simply give the Minister and the Pulic the plan - now. If the government tolerates this nonsense, the government should recall the legislature and have the other parties force an election.
11/3/2012 8:27:53 AM
The Beaver..... says:
The Energy future of North America lies in Coal no butts no ifs.Instead of spending money on all the crap that McGuinty was trying to support we can clean up coal for a much lower cost.China and the US are putting new Coal fired Plants in service now more than ever.
11/3/2012 9:48:49 AM
Ed itw says:
Stop using natural gas to make electricity it will just drive up the price of gas and close down this $100k club on the island. Close Atikokan before we waste any more money.
If someone wants to build a factory they can find their own electricity.
11/3/2012 7:24:23 PM
RBosch says:
@JD - I reviewed your map for Manitoba Hydro supply of power to Ontario. If you look at the legend on the right hand site, you will see that the power they propose comes from yet to be built Hydro Electric Stations, supplying Ontario on yet to be built lines, running through Ontario. This is a nice picture and one that has been floating around for some time, in one version or another. Ontario had entered into a contract with Manitoba a few years ago and then pulled out of the deal. Manitoba, in its frustration wtih Ontario then proceeded to sell the vast majority of their excess generation to the United States, for long term deals.

They do not have any power to sell to Ontario and would have to build the dams and generating stations and then build the necessary Transmission lines through another Province. This whole process takes years to develope and there is absolutely nothing in the works, at least as far as people know about. Cont'd
11/3/2012 8:41:38 PM
RBosch says:
....cont'd - There is not even a full time contract with either Manitoba or Minnesots, although both can supply load to Ontario in an emergency basis, at inflated costs (BELIEVE ME) There currently is a Twin - 230 kv line from Manitoba and also a radial 115 kv line. There is also a link to Minnesota, via Fort Frances, but the capability to transfer is pretty limited. The key argument that is being ignored by OPA is the fact that not only can Thunder Bay supply the MW's, but they also provide Northwestern Ontario with spinning inertia, which is extremely helpfull in lessening the effects of faults on the system. As I have said in earlier posts, a MW is not always the same, or a MW is not a MW, is not a MW, when it is supplied from different sources. This argument was put forward in past deliberation and we won the day, but OPA is seemingly forgetting those facts, as well as a Directive from the previous Minister of the Environment, to enter into a contract to convert Thunder Bay
11/3/2012 8:54:07 PM
Dunroamin says:
Wow where is a person of Leo Bernie's skill king of the north he would be all over this protecting the north,who is watching out for us now as we pioroque along. An election is coming do you homework and let's get back in the game
11/5/2012 12:44:12 PM
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