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2013-01-07 at 17:10

Protesters skeptical

By Jeff Labine, tbnewswatch.com
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THUNDER BAY -- Some Idle No More protesters aren’t confident their issues will be resolved when First Nation representatives meet with the Prime Minister Friday.

More than a hundred supporters of the national grassroots movement attended a rally at Lakehead University Monday. Many gathered and listened as speakers forwarded information about what the Idle No More protest was about.

The central messages revolved around legislation protesters believe is harming the lands for both Aboriginals and non-Aboriginals.

That issue, along with a variety of treaty-related topics, are expected to be discussed when First Nation representatives meet with Stephen Harper this week.

Harper, in a statement, agreed to meet 20 or so delegates, including Attawapiskat chief Theresa Spence.

The chief of the remote fly-in First Nation community became the media's centrepiece for the Idle No More movement after she declared she would adopt a diet consisting mainly of fish broth and fasting until she had the meeting with the prime minister.

Some protesters at the rally at Lakehead who spoke to tbnewswatch.com said they were skeptical that the meeting would have a significant impact.

Mynra Kaminawaish and her husband, Glenn, both attended Monday's rally. Both believe that all First Nation elected officials should attend the meeting since it concerns all Aboriginal issues.

“They all need to be there not two, five or eight,” Kaminawaish said.

“With this movement going on it is not just about our Aboriginal rights but also protecting mother Earth. We all need to get onboard. I’m ready for change. We’re not being treated fairly. Out land is being destroyed.”

She also added it’s time for First Nation leaders to wake up so that they can better represent Aboriginals.

Glenn said the meeting will be a step in the right direction if there is proper representation and wondered what chiefs would be invited to attend.

“They should have all the chiefs involved,” he said. “We’re trying to get unity. It’s shouldn’t be just 20. It should be 600 chiefs.”

Raymond Moonias remained a bit more optimistic.

He also attended the rally in order to get more information as well as encourage others to learn more about the issues. He said everyone has to work together in order to make a better world and country.

Moonias said he hopes issues are looked at thoroughly when the meeting takes place and that everyone’s voice gets heard.

“If they can just hold off on development for two years it is not going to affect too much as compared to 300 years,” he said.

Joyce Hunter, who helped organize the event at Lakehead, said the meeting doesn’t change anything and she remains cautiously optimistic. She wasn’t sure if Harper was only meeting First Nations to appease people or actually make a sincere attempt to create change.

She also called legislation like Bill C-45 unconstitutional because it wasn’t discussed with First Nation people. She said the Idle No More movement has no intention of stopping.

“There are human rights abuses going on and Canadians are getting striped of their access to clean drinking water and a good future going forward,” she said.

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Just sayin' says:
Theresa Spence should be on that diet until she pays back all the tax payers for her corrupted ways. The RCMP should be called in and have her arrested for fraud.
1/7/2013 5:18:18 PM
glass half full says:
What is the point of speaking out on behalf of the working mans opinion on this site< it will not be posted.

This entire idle no more is a sham, so is the hunger strike. This chief has not lost a pound.

This has to stop.
1/7/2013 5:19:07 PM
tired says:
Like everything in this world the whole debate come down to dollars and cents. Ontario is being crushed under the weight of our debt. Million upon millions are being given to the Native population without getting any tax revenue in return. This is crippling our economy. The ring of fire will bring a much needed financial boost to the economy both locally and provincially. If the northern communities intend to stand in the way of this progress i don't see much support coming from the MAJORITY. It is time to make changes in the way we (the gov't and taxpayers) do business with the northern communities. It is 2013, todays econoomy and global demands need to be taken into concideration. Unpopular it may be to the politically correct, but very necessary if we are to survive. I hope that our gov't takes a strong stand for what is best for all not just the squeeky wheel.
1/7/2013 5:34:34 PM
Tom Sanderson says:
First off...I'm a white man. I find it alarming that the natives are the only ones showing the country that there is a problem with bill c45. Most whites are only complaining that the government has been giving money to the natives to allow them to exist. The whites aren't getting up in arms about the environment changes that this government has in this bill. Dropping the federal navigable water ways protection act is a crime. This will allow mining, oil, logging companies etc. to build a road across any lake or river without a environmental assessment as to what damages it may cause. Because Harper is trying to sell Nexen to China he wants to pave the road and make it painless for them. Think about it...we all need water to sustain life. What are we going to do when all the tributaries that flow into the great lakes are polluted from ruptures in the oil pipeline that is in the plans to run from the Tar Sands to Sarnia? Bill c45 is going to effect every Canadian, not just natives.
1/7/2013 5:35:32 PM
anon says:
As far as I know, the water that you speak of was actually being protected by both provincial and federal governments, so this just gets rid of a useless layer of paperwork and tax dollars. I don't think the government is that dense to allow every bit of water in this country to just go to crap...
1/7/2013 10:03:54 PM
noront says:
Tom, you are wrong about the navigable waters act. Yes the feds are getting rid of it, but in NO way does that leave crossings unprotected. The provincial government still has control over it. All that is being done is saving tax $$ by only having one government, provincial, to oversee things. The feds are still in control of international waters, just the provinces will deal with provincial waters. The way it should be.
1/8/2013 7:52:51 AM
Tom Sanderson says:
Quote from CBC News.
This new act focuses on providing federal protection only for Canada's busiest rivers, lakes and oceans. It's designed to do away with red tape created by the old act, which said that even docks and culverts needed federal approval, often taking years to get.

At a press conference Tuesday Robert Janes, lawyer for the two bands, outlined how changes to the act would impact his clients.

"There are literally thousands of rivers and streams, small lakes — including Frog Lake — that are no longer protected," he said.

"If we look at the area around Mikisew, it's essentially a vast inland delta. It's actually the second-largest inland delta in the world. And there are a vast number of navigable waters, many of which don't have formal English names, which are no longer protected.

"Many of these would be dug up, covered, or otherwise changed by oilsands development, other development. It's literally in the area of thousands of rivers and steams."
1/8/2013 3:18:42 PM
hadenough says:
Tom, navigable waters were protected by Fisheries and Oceans which is federal.
All waters, navigable or not are protected in Ontario by both the Ministry of Natural Resources and Ministry of Environment.
There is lots in the Idle movement that is worthwhile but this particular aspect is disinformation and fear mongering at it's best. It's playing to the media and the uninformed.

I'm sorry but this is simply red tape cutting by the feds. Yes it has everything to do with making it easier for industry to get things approved but no one is going to be able to dig up a water way, cross a river or do anything else without permission. It does remove the ability of a special interest group to slow down the entire process by calling for a federal assessment if they don't like the provincial decision.
1/8/2013 5:55:46 PM
Tom Sanderson says:
In my opinion and think science and physics show that what happens up river ends up down river. The change is not good as money talks and if the money is big enough some people become temporarily blind. I don't think the navigable water way protection act was breaking the Federal budget. There is a reason for the federal level to drop it and it's not about cost of enforcement. Sure there will be a provincial level and it will have about as many inspectors as we have game wardens. In my opinion it will reveal the why but it will be to late because the damage will be done and you can't turn back time.
1/9/2013 1:15:35 PM
(unknown user) says:
No, you're wrong.
Historically all water crossings for forestry operations (for instance) were inspected by professional foresters, the construction mandated by provincial guidelines and rules. The inspection report would be submitted to the OMNR for approval, subject to audit. Infractions were/are taken seriously by both industry and MNR.
Other work such as shoreline work required permits and inspections just the same.
Mining has similar procedures with the MNR and NDM&F and the MOE gets involved with some serious repercussions.
Getting rid of the federal level streamlines the process and eliminates what was basically a level of redundancy.

I understand your concerns and what I'm telling you is exactly opposite of what you're being told by the movement. I'm not exactly against what they're saying, just that using this little bit of the legislation is misleading and to me, calls into question the entire credibility of the movement itself.
1/9/2013 6:55:42 PM
portland39 says:
Did anyone catch that she makes $270,000 TAX FREE. I feel bad for the people of Attiwapiscam. I commend Harper for holding out on her this long.
1/7/2013 5:42:43 PM
6913 says:
Fish or moose broth is the most nutricious food available for natives alike! no hunger strike here!!!
1/7/2013 6:08:57 PM
young&concerned says:
Where is the story that took Canada by storm today? You guys have to be kidding! I was on this site and is now gone! Why!
1/7/2013 6:13:22 PM
ranma says:
And most taxpayers are skeptical that with the leaked report's info, that Chief Spence and her croonies will be brought to justice for the millions of dollars they have no records for. If they were a corporation, they would all be arrested by now.

Where is the justice, where is the accountability by these so called leaders?
1/7/2013 6:51:29 PM
hardrawkin says:
I seem to remember big corporations behaving like this a few years ago. What happened the government bailed them out and set them back on their way.
I am not saying that the Chief shouldn't be accountable though.
1/8/2013 6:36:05 AM
Gimmenews says:
Last Tuesday or Wednesday, there was some kind of demonstration on Highway 61 at the entrance to the Thunder Bay Corectional Centre. I have no idea what this particular protest was about or whether it was In any way connected to the Idle No !ore Movement. What I do know is that a week later, there is still garbage left behind at that site. Would the demonstrators kindly return to clean up the mess. Moreover, I would ask the supervisor of that facility why they have not seen fit to remove the debris as they obviously drive past it several times a day. It makes your facility look completely unprofessional and suggests that you have no control of your operation.
1/7/2013 6:57:55 PM
emma171 says:
It has now been proven that Theresa Spence is a joke (not that it was that hard to figure out). Because of that, the whole movement now loses credibility.

And I doubt too many people will support the idea stated by the protester that 600 chiefs should attend the meeting, most likely flown to Ottawa on the tax payer's dollar. After all, it is these very chiefs like Theresa Spence that are the problem. They syphon off federal moneys intended to help their people and they promote the continuation of a broken reserve system and government handouts that doesn't really help first nations but instead causes a racial divide in our country.
1/7/2013 8:06:35 PM
Vanity says:
TBNews where did the original story about the audit disappear to? In that story you stated that "Aboriginal and Northern Affairs had signed off on all this money." They had no complaints at that time. Ottawa lawyer Paul Champ, who's representing the First Nations Child and Family Caring Society of Canada in a court case accusing the federal government of discrimination by funding First Nations child welfare, health and education at lower levels than non-aboriginal populations, questioned the "cynical timing" of the release of this audit.

He noted that the Federal Court found last summer that the department had not raised any issues with the band council about its record keeping before national media started covering Attawapiskat's housing crisis.

"The prime minister should be working to address the real funding inequities faced by reserves instead of looking to score cheap political points against vulnerable and disadvantaged Canadians," Champ wrote to CBC News.
1/7/2013 8:56:22 PM
Leith Dunick says:
The story I believe you are referring to is in our national news section, where it belongs. It was in our main section this morning until it cycled out and was replaced by local news. We are a local news site and local news gets priority.
1/7/2013 9:13:13 PM
Spartan says:
I agree with "glass half full", most of the articles are not printed, we would be labeled racist. I'm certainly not racist, just trying to express my displeasure of Thief Spence turning the protest into a circus.
What I would like to see out of this "Idle no more" is the proud people to get out and ask where all the money that's coming to their reserves is going. The chiefs are happy their people don't ask questions. Perhaps that's why schools are burned on reserves, keep everyone illiterate and destitute that way they can't rise against the oppressor, namely thief Spence. Sorry, I have no use for this liar.
I hope this back fires on her and the proud nations people do learn more and ask, where has the money gone.
1/7/2013 9:05:10 PM
WhinyMcWhiner says:
"Thief Spence"? Really?

The Idle No More isn't about corrupt chiefs, it's about the Omnibus Budget Bill passed by Harper that basically makes it legal to rape lakes and rivers at will by oil companies with little-to-no environmental review.

Chief Spence and Attawapiskat is an easy target for someone to pick apart misappropriated funds, but she should not and does not discredit this legitimate movement. A movement, which actually benefits you, a Canadian, by helping protect the lakes and rivers you no doubt enjoy the use of.

Are you going to defend the Harper government's decision to add environment legislation in a Budget Bill? A bill that has to be passed otherwise the government would dissolve making environment debate impossible? Really? Who's the real thief here?

But yeah, I'll let you get back to where you rhymed "thief" with "chief". Maybe later you can help me rhyme a word with "ignorance."
1/8/2013 7:06:25 AM
Slyder says:
Budget and audit issues aside, I was talking with an engineering friend of mine about these NWPA changes. They really do have nothing to do with the environment. Basically, as he described it, to get approval to do any project, like a bridge for example, you have to make a submission to numberous agencies. It's funny, becasue all the NWPA does is, if the water is deemed "navigable" under the NWPA the project is subject to the review of Transport Canada. Environmental angencies such as the DFO, MNR and MoE still do their seperate reviews and ensure the environment is protected. NWPA has nothing to do with the environment... reviews by the other ministiries do.

So basically, when designing a foot bridge of a creek, no federal approval from Transport Canada is required anymore with the changes to the NWPA.

People just seem to have no idea and just repeat what they hear. Less Harper hating and partisanship. More critical thinking please.
1/8/2013 9:08:01 AM
WhinyMcWhiner says:
NWPA aside, the omnibus budget bill C-45 changed a lot more than that. They replaced the Environmental Assessment Act, significantly modified the Fisheries Act, and altered the Species At Risk Act, and gave ministers more approval power over energy and pipeline projects.

The NWPA just seems to be the one Aboriginals have the greatest problem with, probably because it's the oldest.

Then, locally, they de-funded the world renowned Experimental Lakes Area. Which will cost millions more to close than it would to operate.

I would say Harper hating is warranted when it comes to his recent record on the environment. Bills that affect laws and regulations on the environment should not be a part of a budget bill. How can you seriously defend what he has done as responsible? Gotta keep the Alberta oil flowin' I guess.
1/9/2013 12:49:49 AM
Slyder says:
Could you provide examples of how the bill harms the enviroment or allows developement without environmental oversight?



I'm not seeing anything here? Mostly it looks to the the federal government is stepping back and handling only the gravest of cases, letting the provences environmental agencies (i.e MoE in Ontario)... take the lead...

I'm just not seeing what everyone else is. All I hear is alot of misinformation by partisan anti-conservatives...

1/9/2013 9:26:57 AM
Tbay99 says:
First Nations that are supporting Chief Spence and glorifying her as some kind of a hero should ALL be ashamed of themselves!!
1/8/2013 12:24:34 AM
tdub says:
One meeting will not resolve every problem on reserves. I've been to a few of them and was dismayed about how every problem was somebody else's fault (housing/water/education/transportation/employment, etc). As long as this is the case first nations will always live in poverty regardless of funding levels.
1/8/2013 11:10:38 AM
dave78 says:
Members of Idle No More would do well to distance themselves from Cheif Spence if not publicly denouncing her actions outright. I don't imagine they could continue to pressure the government for accountability at the same time they support someone who clearly has taken full advantage of their position for their own personal gain at the expsense of the rest of the community.

They'll lose all credibility with me if they continue to prop this woman up as their poster child.
1/8/2013 11:51:37 AM
mfile says:
This entire hunger strike protest is absolutely ridiculous and it has to stop. The government should step in, not to help, but to stop this nonsense.
1/8/2013 11:51:44 AM
madlady says:
to glass half full comment, this hunger strike was not designed for weight loss program, it got the results it was intended for, wake up and smell the coffee.
1/8/2013 2:06:22 PM
tbayfinn says:
If anyone actually expects something concrete to come out the meeting with Stephen Harper they are living in a fantasy world. Whether the meeting is positive or negative, the movement will use the controversy to attempt to further their cause. I can only imagine what is in store for Canadians following the meeting in the attempts to try to further disrupt society. It is hard to believe that those driving these protests are immune to Canadian law, when do they become accoutable for their actions?
1/8/2013 5:17:18 PM
yqt says:
First Nations never lose an opportunity to lose an opportunity.

What a lost cause, quite comical actually.

1/9/2013 11:30:18 AM
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