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2013-01-14 at 23:53

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By Jeff Labine, tbnewswatch.com
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City council decided that they don’t want to wait anymore to start on the upgrading of the Golf Links and Junot Avenue corridor.


The city is expected to send out the contracts to tender within the week as work to expand the busy route to four lanes is expected to start soon.  Current River Coun. Andrew Foulds suggested pushing back the tender in order to look at the addition of designated bike lanes.

The majority of council voted against the resolution.

Foulds said prior to the vote that dedicated bike lanes eliminate conflict between cyclists and motorists and would make sense to have multiple ways to travel down the road made available.

“I know many of you probably think the multiuse trail is good enough,” Foulds said. “There will be cyclists on that multiuse trail but they are not designed for commuting bicycle traffic. Commuting bicyclists need direct routes and ones that are efficient.”

Foulds called the upgrading the city’s flagship infrastructure project and said they need to build with a long-reaching vision.

But the request for changes wasn’t well received by some councillors.

McIntyre Coun. Trevor Giertuga voiced his frustration with the idea calling it a “last minute resolution”.

“We can’t have dedicated bike lanes on every single road,” he said. “We’ve been dealing with this for years and four days before the tender is supposed to go out and we’re getting ready for a busy construction season, we get this resolution that calls for this to be delayed.”

Darrell Matson, manager of infrastructure and operations, said a one or two week delay wouldn’t hurt the tender. The most pressing issue is making sure council knows what they want to do before going to tender, he said.

City manager Tim Commisso said the city already raised $3.5 million of the funding necessary for the $7 million project.

In other business, council passed a resolution to accelerate the construction of a north-to-south continuous bike lane. Coun. Aldo Ruberto was looking for support for the idea and initially proposed adding $250,000 to this year's budget but later dropped the dollar figure.

Matson said the bike lane wouldn’t be happening this year.

Instead of a new active transportation corridor this year, administration will now report on a continuous connection.  The City will focus its attention on Balmoral Street, Memorial Avenue and Fort William Road.

 

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jonthunder says:
Once again a safe, dedicated, crosstown bike transportation route gets kicked to the curb - put off to some time in the very distant future. Why does council not care about the safety of cyclists? Is their tax money no good? Their lives and health invaluable? On what principles does Council operate?
1/15/2013 1:21:18 AM
MD says:
There is a bike path that runs from Junot / John intersection, follows the river south passed George Burke Park, connects to Balmoral which then runs through LU, then beside the Thunder Bay Country Club, through the college, through Chapples. After that you can end up at the Legion Track, the mall or turn west and connect through Parkway or Riverview bike path and end up on Arthur Street or Victoria Ave. Why build a bike lane when there is already access to one. You avoid all busy roads which is safer and this route parallels the Junot / Golf Links corridor. And don’t tell me it’s not direct enough because if you were in a rush you would just drive to where your going.
1/15/2013 10:58:04 AM
woodzee says:
The Junot avenue bike path is a natural fit for the city and as anyone who commutes by cycle would know. How many councilors or engineers do cycle?
1/15/2013 2:15:03 PM
eastender says:
Of course it gets kicked to the curb, The money is there, its just set aside for the "Multiplex". We dont want to use that money for no stinkin' bike paths, if you know what I mean.
1/15/2013 11:57:34 PM
nvjgu says:
They can not pave roads that need to be dug up like the rest of John St, Court, water front etc, but they can paint lines on same roads.
1/15/2013 3:35:45 AM
Tbaylifer 1 says:
Fouls idea would have delayed the project by 2 years and added 1.5 to 2 million dollars. Money we don't have. As is, we only have a third of of money needed . This road will have a sidewalk, multi use trail and paved shoulders. If that's not good for enough for you, then I suggest a new city with dedicated bike lanes. I believe both Foulds and Ruberto are out of touch with reality. I agree with the mayor on this one, off road bike trails.
1/15/2013 6:20:58 AM
Meta says:
At least Trevor understands that we can not afford to add bike lanes to every new road.
Mr Foulds and Mr Ruberto are still focused on persuing an transportation plan that was I'll conceived without regards to the costs to the taxpayer. What's the quality of life gentleman when most seniors and main stream taxpayers can not afford the current burden of City taxes? Should they be happy we have bike lanes?

The vast majority of us do not have additional family incomes from teaching to support this utopian dream. This city is going to be faced with difficult financial decisions shortly due to ill conceived spending .

Let the real hardworking residents of this city decide
1/15/2013 7:10:19 AM
tbay4lifer says:
Just what we need.. more bike lanes. /end sarcasm
1/15/2013 9:18:00 AM
fiorn says:
wait...what?!
"No bike lanes on this basically brand new north-south corridor!"
In other news:
"We need bike lanes on a north-south corridor!"

Someone PLEASE explain this to me before I lose my mind.
1/15/2013 9:27:41 AM
Iknowyou says:
Waste of money....we have an expressway running parallel to this proposed 4 lane improvment. Why not slow down the speed in this residential area to force people to use the expressway.
1/15/2013 9:29:35 AM
conker2012 says:
Until the traffic lights on the expressway are replaced with overpasses traffic has no reason to go to the expressway. The lights take soo long to change because of the speed of traffic on the expressway. If we replace the slower intersections like oliver, john and balsam with something like what is built in North Branch MN near the Tangier outlets it would be very cost efficient and would not require the land space of a clover leave.

Clover leaves are only needed at red river, harbour and maybe arthur st. Of course this costs huge dollars and it not likely to be reviewed until the highway west of Tbay has been twinned, 20+years from now.
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1/15/2013 11:32:42 AM
sky high says:
Well if you actually got out of the house and took a look at what is on that street you'd know that there's a hospital and ambulance headquarters situated there. Does this clear things up for you? Do you need more info as to why it just might be necessary to four-lane it?
1/15/2013 11:51:09 AM
sumo1 says:
Here is a chance to build a bike lane properly and not using an existing roadway and also away from traffic. This is an opportunity to set an example of how a bike lane should be built. City council never looks at the big picture and never into the future. Hats off to Foulds at least his thinking is refreshing.
1/15/2013 9:31:26 AM
The Badger Mountain Hermit says:
Takes time to figure out a trail system where only cyclists wlll be solely responsible for any mishaps, right?
1/15/2013 9:53:03 AM
Conker2012 says:
Proper bike lanes should have grade separation from traffic. The only purpose of bike lanes it to protect the riders from vehicle traffic. How can we protect the riders without separations? Since river/junot/golf links/Edward has the boulevard space available from Brock street to high street long term planning should include grade separated bike lanes along this route.

Finally why does this plan not include an overpass at the Harbour expressway? This is one of the busiest intersections in the city and it sometimes takes three changes of the light to get through. As the city plans to open up the property west of golflinks/junot the congestion will only get worse.

Stop the bandaid fixes and half done projects do it right the first time or don't waste my tax dollars.
1/15/2013 10:44:39 AM
TBDR says:
do you have even the remotest idea of what an overpass/cloverleaf system costs?
1/15/2013 3:00:32 PM
conker2012 says:
Based on previous project completed around thunder bay and comparing them with projects completed eslewhere, I would estimate that a simple over pass as show above would cost ~$7-12million dollars. A clover leaf is not required due to the low volume of traffic that currently change routes (turn from harbour on to golflinks/edward and vise versa). A simple over pass similar to the one shown above in the my previous comment is smaller than a clover leaf yet allows traffic to move faster with less frequent stops and is much safer.

Over passes are unavoidable along the harbour express way, the question is not whether we should consider it, but rather when. Accoding to the CEDC each intersection along the harbour express way sees on average of 36000-50000 vehicle crossing paths per day. Once the golf links corridor is completed these number will only inrease. Build the overpass when we have a small problem or wait until we have gridlock before we start slowing traffic even more?
1/16/2013 2:29:55 PM
loudmouth101 says:
Bikes should not be allowed on our public roads unless they carry insurance the same as a motor vehicle. What will be next,a lane for skate boards, scooters, roller blades?
1/15/2013 10:47:26 AM
Just sayin' says:
Council generally operates on what gets them the most votes come re-election...i.e. what do all you grey haired and Government workers want? Bike lanes, especially direct ones are a great way to get around. We should have a bike lane that wraps around the lake for everyone to enjoy as well. Cyclists pay taxes too!
1/15/2013 12:09:31 PM
jonthunder says:
Some years ago, around the time Oliver Rd. to LU was improved the city said it would plan proper biking transportation routes when it was replace curbs or a major rework of existing, or new roads. We again have this opoportunity and this city admin and council did not even plan for such. Clearly, the intent of the city is to deceive its own citizens and shower them with contempt. Why even have a biking coordinator on staff, his role is useless.
1/15/2013 12:21:48 PM
Iknowyou says:
Wow...insults. On occasion when I do leave the house I am able to turn onto Junot without difficulty anytime during the day. Residential traffic is not the problem...the problem lies wth people commuting North and South without using the newly renovated expressway. Since you are out of the house soo often you would realize that all lanes of traffic must stop for emergency vehicles this is not an issue.
1/15/2013 1:01:41 PM
Jakester says:
I don't know whether I am more disappointed in Andrew and Aldo for bringing this forward now or city administration for not at least making the inclusion of bike lanes an option for council in developing these corridors with new roads. Quite a dilemma we are in. Any reasonable solutions out there?
1/15/2013 3:28:51 PM
CM Punk says:
Timmy stated on the news report that the city has 3.5 million for the 7 million dollar job for the Golf Links road project.
I am just hoping this does not lead to another tax hike excuse.
1/15/2013 10:00:52 PM
Baor says:
I don't know about others here or in this city but I've made two observations about "bike lanes". 1) huge underuse 2) huge pain in the arse.
1/16/2013 11:30:32 PM
moi says:
LOL...more bike lanes might be a good idea,so that next time a special interest group wants to protest something,they won't be slowing vehicle traffic.
1/17/2013 10:10:33 AM
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