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2013-01-19 at 17:36

Highway re-opened east of Upsala

By Leith Dunick,
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Several multi-vehicle collisions forced OPP to close Highway 17 east of Upsala on Saturday afternoon, but police say after clearing the vehicles from the crash site, the highway has been re-opened.

"One collision involved eight transports as well as maybe 20 individual accidents ranging from passenger cars ditched as well as transports that were ditched. One went sideways! It was a mess and judging from the reports of the media and the OPP it is being played down," witness Kim Dudley wrote to tbnewswatch on Saturday evening.

The closure extended from Upsala to Shabaqua.

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laurie says:
The Sault Star never mentioned any transports .. it was more about the Greyhound bus...

Trying to get hold of my husband now after reading this to see if he is okay as he is a trucker on the road right now
1/19/2013 11:47:29 PM
Sui Generis says:
CKPR has pictures of the transport pile up.
1/20/2013 6:12:33 PM
ranma says:
I know our highways up here are dangerous, but maybe we were spoiled with our lack of snow and people have either forgotten how to drive, or are just being idiots. I do hope no one was seriously hurt. There is a reason our highways are called the highways of death, specially the road to Fort Francis.
1/20/2013 1:16:17 AM
buzzerd says:
"highways of death" is a ridiculous term and if you truly believe that you have never driven any where else in the world.
1/20/2013 10:40:29 AM
maureen says:
We were stuck in the lineup of vehicles before the accident. 4 hours of waiting not knowing anything. Not 1 word of the closure was mentioned on the local radio stations 91.5 or 94.3. Very frustrating for those that were stuck.

1/20/2013 10:39:41 AM
educator says:
That's because all the programming on the weekends is recorded. Radio hasn't been "live and local" for years.

1/20/2013 12:55:42 PM
Tiredofit says:
Perhaps if the province still maintained the roads it wouldn't be as bad, there's been numerous complaints since its been privatized. When it becomes more about profit than safety we all suffer.
1/20/2013 10:49:39 AM
tbayguy009 says:
Here here.

You got it exactly right.

While someone in our provincial gorvernment (guess who) wants borrow money (which we don't have) to 4 lane sections of the trans Canada, maintainance of what we already drive on is suffering. Plowing, sanding and salting are not to the same standard as they were in the past.

Back in the day, during a conditions as bad as those, it would have been an all hands on deck situation. Even under heavy snow, the trans Canada would have been a priority with other routes left alone and plows/sanders working in groups/teams.

BUT, since the privatization of all of this, John Q public does not have access or input and the accounting books are closed from prying public eyes.

The photographs don't show one bit of sand or salt being stirred up in the center lane. (perhaps more snow covered it)

Also, it doesn't only snow from Monday to Friday
1/21/2013 7:14:50 AM
hadenough says:
Although I agree with your general comment, I have to ask if you realize that it was the Mike Harris government that privatized our highway maintenance?
1/21/2013 6:42:22 PM
Tiredofit says:
I am aware of who privatized it, it doesn't matter, the point is still the same. One needs to realize that it is also more expensive when we privatize, they only difference is the payroll side of the books looks smaller and the government can say "see we reduced costs!"
Privatization leads to several layers of business involvement and each wants a cut, most for doing very little. I do some private work for a government contractor, I know first hand that something I billed $148 for was billed back to them at just over $700. Does that make sense? I made $72 on that, rest was materials. That job went through 4 other businesses!! Why?

I've brought it to the attention of my member or parliament, that's the price of doing business unfortunately, was the response but we will look into it. Sure
1/23/2013 8:05:33 AM
Snowman17 says:
How about they close the roads when it gets as bad as it did on Saturday. I was on that highway and visibility was poor. I was just passing through from business prior in Winnipeg mind you driving a white BMW in the middle of whiteout conditions. I was in fear for my safety. Either close the roads or at least get some plows out there. In the future I'm flying
1/20/2013 4:01:53 PM
DougMyers says:
There is the problem right there. You feared for your safety but kept driving because the roads were open. How about people take responsibility for themselves and make the decision to stop driving until conditions get better.
Why does the governement have to tell you to be safe? If you feel the roads are unsafe, don't drive. Seems simple to me?

People complain when the roads are closed for accidents and complain when they don't close them for safety.
1/21/2013 8:15:52 AM
The Don says:
In 100% agreement with DougMyers people have to decide for them selves if they should travel in severe weather ..... its a sad fact that they are a lot of people out there that lack a natural human attribute....Its Called COMMON SENSE FOLKS learn how to use it.
1/21/2013 12:18:50 PM
gusto says:
Here's an idea. How about you take responsibility for yourself and not drive when conditions are poor. And maybe drive a car that is more suitable to Northern Ontario winters. Phone the MTO at 511 to find out road conditions prior to travelling.
1/21/2013 8:59:49 AM
moonpie says:
If you went swimming during a thunderstorm and got struck by lighting, would you blame them (whoever "they" are) for not closing the beaches? Common sense 101.
1/21/2013 10:40:52 AM
TooShort says:
Thats why we need 4 lane highways along the trans canada 11/17. Come on already !!!!! plz
1/20/2013 7:29:37 PM
SomeGuy says:
Yet another reason why Canada's backbone should be twinned the entire way.
1/21/2013 8:13:29 AM
triceps says:
Bad roads mixed with peoples inability to drive surely equals success!!
1/21/2013 9:33:27 AM
highroller says:
What I dont understand is why most of the people commenting on here think that these truck drivers have a choice. If the road is open they have to run, its there job. Its not a matter of no common sense, its deliver the load or go on welfare. Sure everyone could go get a job less dangerous but that would really solve the problem because there would no longer be cars delivered for the rest of us to drive and we could just go back to the caveman days. Show a bunch of truckers in an accident and everyone just says stupid truckers, why is that???
1/21/2013 3:07:07 PM
gusto says:
Because most of the "stupid" truckers continue to drive in these conditions as if it was clear road and +30C. If they took the time to slow down and stop tailgating each other to save a little fuel, most of these multiple vehicle accidents wouldn't happen in the first place. I guess they don't teach "common sense" at the Brampton School of Driving Excellence though.
1/21/2013 6:11:21 PM
highroller says:
What makes you think anyone was tailgating, it was whiteout conditions, when someone wipes out you dont see them until you hit them. That is why 20 more vehicles were involved after the original accident.
1/22/2013 10:46:14 AM
razor_burn says:
These truck drivers are a hazard on our roads. Weather conditions or not these drivers have no skill or common sense.
1/21/2013 6:07:33 PM
highroller says:
If any of you actually ever drove for a trucking company you would know that it is the trucking companies that force the drivers to drive the way they do. Anyone that thinks truckers are the problem should just get rid of everything they own and go live in the woods because with out the truckers that is where we would all be. NO HOUSE, NO CLOTHES, NO CARS, everything you buy was delivered by a trucker.
1/22/2013 10:34:48 AM
grayjay says:
There are approx 2000 trucks passing through Upsala on Hwy 17 every day. Petitions, letters etc to government to 4 lane 17 from the Sault to Kenora have been rejected, the reason? "not enough volume to warrant the expense. Not a word about safety. In May of 2011 then Trans. Minister Kathleen Wynne declared "Ontario has the safest highways in North America"!! June 11, 2011 a young 20 yr old husband, his 18 yr old wife and their 11 month old daughter were killed on hwy 17 in Upsala, roughly 150 yards from my front door. I began writing about the hwys in Northwestern Ontario in 1957 to date little has changed. One third the funding for major improvements to southern highways came out of the north by way of mining royalties and forestry rentals, too bad those funds didn't benefit this region. Buying votes is more important than saving lives. Don't fault the truckers, fault the politicians who put self interest before citizen safety!!!
1/22/2013 2:37:28 PM
eddylives says:
razorburn your brain dead comments are very amusing.

Its obvious you have never driven much more than a small car(if even that lol) let alone have a clue about transports and how they are operated.
Please go onto one of our local truck stops and voice your opinion loudly.....
We will no longer have your trolling remarks here...
The hwy's require better maintainance for these winter conditions but as it takes money it will remain lacking.
1/22/2013 3:54:57 PM
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