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2013-01-25 at 16:51

Idle No More returns

By Leith Dunick, tbnewswatch.com
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Idle No More is once again hitting the streets of Thunder Bay.

Organizer Joyce Hunter on Friday said they expect about 200 people to take part in the group’s activities, which will begin Monday afternoon with a teach-in at Dennis Franklin Cromarty School and wind up with a march on city hall.

“The second part of what we’re doing is going to be a demonstration. And we’re doing that in solidarity with the national movement of Idle No More because there has been national call across the country for local chapters of Idle No More to come out in force to send a message to this government that’s sitting that we’re still here, our issues remain unresolved and we are still coming out to show that we still want to have that discussion,” said Hunter, a mother of two young boys.

The plan isn’t to disrupt traffic, though she said marchers will be using main arterials to get to city hall, starting on Edward Street.

The issues are still the same, Hunter said.

Nationally the biggest one is still treaty implementation and the concern the country is signing away its resources to foreign interests.

“It’s not something that sits well with us and we’re very concerned about the potential impacts to our environment for all Canadians, not just ourselves,” Hunter said.

“Locally what we’ve found is there has been a misunderstanding in the mainstream about what we’re saying at Idle No More. One of the biggest things we’re hearing is, ‘Oh, it’s about money. You want more money.’

That’s not the case at all, said Hunter.

What First Nations want is access to many of the services most Canadians take for granted. In 2013 Aboriginals shouldn’t have to live under boil-water advisories, without running water and limited access to many programs.

“The end result is the average lifespan of a First Nations person is 20 years shorter than that of the average Canadian. And that is a direct consequence of the abusive relationship that Canada’s First People experience at the hands of their government,” Hunter said.

While Idle No More has faced backlash across the country, Hunter believes the support is starting to grow, as people start to realize just what its organizers are fighting for.

It sparks a light, which leads to questions, she said.

“It’s different from being dismissed for singing the quote-unquote same old song … When people realize that it’s going to affect them too, that’s when the questions really start to happen,” Hunter said. “What we’re finding is people really want to be involved to turn that tide, to be involved in sending that message is this is something that affects us all and this is something we’re all concerned about.”


To get involved on Monday, Hunter said show up at Dennis Franklin Cromarty by 4:15 p.m.
 

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itmatters says:
This wont disrupt traffic at all starting on Edward Street at 415pm all the way to City Hall on a Monday.
1/25/2013 5:00:17 PM
ohnoyoudidnt says:
Wish I could be there...hope all goes well
1/25/2013 5:24:57 PM
ranma says:
So if they don't have a permit for their parade, will the police be arresting them for blocking traffic? Or will they play the race card and say it is too dangerous to arrest them at this time.
1/25/2013 5:27:24 PM
ranma says:
Maybe if you lived off of reserves in the middle of nowhere, you would be able to have these perks that were never EVER granted in your treaties to begin with.
1/25/2013 5:33:15 PM
Tiredofit says:
And maybe if they weren't all forced onto these reservations in the middle of nowhere it wouldn't be such an issue. Or how about the fact that most reservation are now a pittance in size compared to what they once were. Did you know the FWFN Rez once reached all the way to Kakabeka, however it was taken back for a variety of reasons, all of which were to benefit the white guy financially.

Grow up and accept the facts Ranma, they want what's rightfully owed. I for one as a white guy support them. Unreal
1/25/2013 8:29:55 PM
Bigtime says:
Actually...the FWFN sold that land. OPG power generating stations use the land, and owed money which was back paid a couple years ago. Hence the large settlement each member of the FW received. Thanks for catching up.
1/26/2013 10:23:12 AM
Tiredofit says:
You are correct, some of it was, however a large portion was taken, without choice and paid a pittance for it by the province and a few business men with political pull. A good example of it being done wrong is McKellar island, which was finally settled a couple of years ago, the point is, in most cases it was done inappropriately and they have to had to fight tooth and nail to get what was due.



1/26/2013 5:31:31 PM
trollol says:
Wonderful Solution Ramma! Its totally inexpensive to fly your family from a remote northern community to Thunder Bay. It would only be a few thousand dollars. But c'mon that's just pocket change. And of course there would be leftover money to start mortgaging a house or paying first and last month's rent, that only a few more thousand dollars. No Big deal.

And for finding a house, well thankfully Thunder Bay is pretty tolerant with minimal racism from landlords, so finding a place should be a piece of cake

And as for the perks, well, it would be awfully hard to leave a place with such 'perks' as no running water, inadequate plumbing, poorly built homes, $50 bags of milk.

... SAID NO FIRST NATIONS PERSON EVER.
1/26/2013 10:44:19 PM
sky high says:
If a remote reserve chose to spend millions on a hockey arena and a zamboni (and Chief Spence from Attiwapistak spent 80 thousand dollars transporting this zamboni)then it is not my fault that there is no running water there. It is Chief Spence's fault that there is no running water there. And there are more councillors there drawing great wages than there are in Thunder Bay, so it is not my fault that there is no running water there. Or Harper's. You can feel guilty if you want to, but leave the rest of us out of it
1/28/2013 7:29:18 AM
trollol says:
Of course it is not personally your fault, that's silly. Don't feel guilty either, as that is counterproductive. But what my post intended to do, is to shed some light on the reality of relocating from a remote northern community. It makes my stomach churn when people post mindless comments, in attempts to simplify a rather complex issue.

But as for Harper, I don't believe that he should go off scott free. I think it would be wise for him to start up some sort of travel grant/loan, similar to the Immigration Loans Program, to help first nations families relocate to larger urban centres. (if that is the families desire, for we have a right to live wherever we choose). Because In a sense moving from a remote northern community to a larger urban centre is a culture shock strikingly similar to what new foreign immigrants face. There could also be a social worker assigned to the family to help them find a school,doctor and employment/educational upgrade.
Some food for thought.
1/28/2013 5:07:10 PM
thunderbay04 says:
just use the sidewalks and obey the traffic lights and you wont disrupy traffic.
1/25/2013 5:38:44 PM
sky high says:
First Nations reserves would be 5 star resorts if the Chiefs didn't allocate funds to places where they really shouldn't be allocating them to.
1/25/2013 5:50:06 PM
michyj32 says:
yeah cause every chief is a thief and they are the only ones responsible ...there are some bad apples like EVERY politician and if that is the case maybe you should all be angry at who is watching over the 'indians' good ol INAC or sorry AANDC..most of you will always have the same thinking and will never understand our people, our culture or anything else about us and that is fine...btw it is OUR land we will walk on the street if we want to walk on the street ...
1/27/2013 10:19:51 PM
glass half full says:
Thunder Bays finest ( POLICE ) will do NOTHING. The chief of police and the police on the streets are scared to deal with first nations people.

This protest will happen, we will all be upset that it is happening, but nothing will be done to prevent a traffic disruption.

I challange the city police ( lord knows the OPP are to affraid ) to be the first police force in CANADA to say "ENOUGH" is enough and put an end to this maddness.

1/25/2013 6:01:51 PM
glass half full says:
The weather is warming up... OUT comes the die hard protesters...

Where were you when it was 40 below?

IDLE NO MORE ... What a joke.. A bunch of media junkies.

GO AWAY!!!!!!!!
1/25/2013 6:03:40 PM
advocate says:
I think Idle No More has some very important points.

Unfortunately, two things is damaging its cause. First are the blockades. Innocent protests and teach-ins are fine. But when you begin to break the law, people will look down on you.

Second, Idle No More is about the people taking back power. Not just from Canada, but from the horrible politics in many Northern communities. So it is unfortunate when someone like Chief Spence steals the limelight. Even worse when her transgressions damage the peoples movement.
1/25/2013 6:05:16 PM
tsb says:
Since the racists in this city will only use this demonstration as an excuse to violently assault native people, I think it would be more effective for Idle No More to use a different means of protest.

Blockade Federal government buildings. Show up one night and don't leave until things start changing for the better.
1/25/2013 6:33:17 PM
unionbay880 says:
Allegedly violently assault.....
1/26/2013 12:18:12 PM
tiredofit says:
Tell that to the woman who was attacked... Are her scares, both mental and physical "alleged" ? Unreal....
1/27/2013 10:39:01 AM
YellowSnow13 says:
Yet again they are having a protest and NOBODY will come forward and identify the exact section these people have issues with. I want to read the section myself not somebody else's interpretation. Can you Idle no More people clue me in. If you can't, why are you protesting. Don't believe everything you hear and only 1/2 of what you read.
1/25/2013 6:59:37 PM
barry medawin says:
Stand up and be counted brothers and sisters! Do NOT back down!!!
1/25/2013 9:06:38 PM
nmunroe says:
Money will come and it will go. The land is here to stay! We should be doing everything we can to protect the water, land, and air regardless of what race you are. Our grandchildren will one day walk this earth, protect it for them! If anyone has misconceptions about the intention and meaning behind Idle No More, please don't hesitate to ask but please do so in a respectful manner. Meegwetch!
1/25/2013 10:39:33 PM
Baor says:
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
1/26/2013 12:32:41 AM
nvjgu says:
Sending a message to gov is going to do nothing. They are the ones with the power to crush. One way to keep the people in check is to keep them poor.
1/26/2013 7:24:04 AM
Tom Sanderson says:
What I find puzzling is why would this group demonstrate at city hall! I thought their beef was with the federal government not Thunder Bay city council.
1/26/2013 10:35:23 AM
myspace_ says:
please don't say that Idol no more is not about money at least be somewhat honest, and don't try and pretend that the movement is about the land and water from the destruction of mining/big business etc. Chief Spence gladly takes her cheque from the gold mine each year. .......
1/26/2013 2:09:18 PM
passlake says:
I absolutely agree with the protests and their focus (or lack of sometimes) on the issues of resources and environment.

What I don't get is the demands to have 21st century amenities (like water and modern housing) while many claim they wish to stay in their reserve to live "traditionally".

There is a tipping point to all of this, and I fear for everyone when we hit it..

but.. in the end, I see this protest as a demand to have the best of "both" worlds (traditional and 21st century).. this model of living is not practical over the long term.

aboriginal relations with government need to start over again. scrap the treaties and indian act and start fresh with a system that isn't financially unsustainable, doesn't create the stereotypical dependancy culture AND allows aboriginals to live in whatever way they want. today's system WILL crash one day.

or.... any city has fresh drinking water and housing and education and everything else.. nobody is stopping anyone from moving there.
1/26/2013 3:16:24 PM
TIC says:
I propose a challenge to Mayor Hobbs with his new found drive on cutting crime back in this sitting that if this protest should hold up traffic or break any laws in any manor that he ensure the city police uphold the laws of our city and deal with it immediately.
1/26/2013 9:56:55 PM
trollol says:
I am totally against Idle No More!! Instead lets be complacent. Lets accept things for exactly how they are. And as for oppression-this is just a fact of life that we are helpless to. Why bother using our voices when things are unjust? We should all just be sitting on our couches watching hours of television, spend 5 days a week at our mind-numbing 9-5 job and scorn those who who dare wish for a better life. That's the way to do things.
1/26/2013 10:30:42 PM
6913 says:
As a person of native ancestry (Hienz 57),Idle No More will die or phase out like the Occupy Movement.Although it is a national movement it does not have the support it requires to survive.My community has approx. 600people and maybe 30 people support the movement.As far is racism in ThunderBay I have been visiting the city for over forty years and yet to witness racism!I have been to many cities all over North America and by far the city of ThunderBay ranks no. 1 on my list A few bad apples does not ruin the whole barrel as the saying goes!!!
1/27/2013 12:06:56 AM
dad3192 says:
If the police step in, u kno there will be cameras rolling, and edited posts put on youtube to make the cops look bad.
OIPRD compaints will be filed, and more police will be under scrutiny for things that never happened...
It will all become cries of racism, just like the whole "fresh breath killer" statement (which was nothing of the sort until one side made it that way)...
then will come the human rights complaint...it all costs the police, thus the taxpayers more money to investigate and defend themselves against..
They are stuck between the frustrated people that are tired of this, and the squeaky wheels that we all know will get the grease!!
I don't think it's just as easy as saying "go out and arrest them all", but what do I know, maybe I'm wrong.
1/27/2013 1:25:58 AM
The Beaver..... says:
idle no more will turn in to battle its Chiefs
as more and more corruption comes to light.Three in the last three weeks alone.At some point the people will come to understand that lots and lots of money was given but by Magic it disappeared.IE Spence and others
1/27/2013 7:58:25 AM
Getoutnwalk says:
You have a car for crying out loud, drive around. That or get out and walk, catch the bus (transit know how to set up an alternate way pretty easily it seems). I'm sick of people with vehicles complaining about driving a couple more blocks, when other people gladly walk it everyday. Anyhow, instead of demanding answers from someone, follow the news, read up on your history. Hey if I had a status card I'd use it too, so stop complaint they get this they get that, ooh nooooo taxes imma go cry and hate native people because they get 6% off their bill waaabaaaaah! People only whine be amuse they don't know the whole story, why don't you educate yourself in the history before bashing on a culture you barely know, even though they have living along side of you for decades.
1/27/2013 10:19:37 AM
stuck? says:
Just because somebody has a car doesn't make it any more accessible to "drive around" the protests.

Look what happened in Edmonton and Fort Francis; people TRIED to drive around the blockades and people protesting in the streets....BUT the protestors kept stepping in front of the vehicle as they were trying to DRIVE AROUND.

The people protesting need to respect OTHER people's rights while they are engaging in these protests. We aren't FORCED to sit and listen to your demonstrations; people don't necessarily give a flying Frank about WHAT you are fighting for either. Some people simply just don't care. And it's their right NOT TO CARE and NOT be hindered by an (otherwise) illegal blockade.

Fight for what you believe in but don't expect others to jump on your bandwagon. If your beef is with the government, protest to them, in front of the government buildings, holding up the government. Not your everyday brothers and sisters.

Please?
1/28/2013 2:39:18 PM
tj says:
I dont think it matters to the people of thunder bay what aboriginals do, its never good enough, it wont DISRUPT traffic, and its a march, is that breaking the law???
1/27/2013 6:03:45 PM
trollol says:
I agree completely tj. Unfortunately some people build their identity around an US against THEM complex where they will be unfulfilled in life if they do not have a group to oppress. First aboriginal peoples were called lazy because people (falsely) perceived that they were not doing anything to better themselves. And now that there are aboriginal run movements to fight their oppression, people are complaining that they are being to vocal and getting in the way.

Its like an abusive relationship where the victim can never do or be good enough for the perpetrator.

1/29/2013 1:57:59 PM
ktown89 says:
1/28/2013 11:37:18 AM
ThrowawayTbay says:
At the rate progress ISN'T being made, this movement will soon be called Idle Too Long... Get your ducks in a row, get some solid issue on the table to be addressed, and get a game plan in motion.

I bet (myself included) more than 50% of the people who hear about this movement daily don't even know what the specific issues are anymore.

Chief goes on hunger strike to oppose a bill...

PM agrees to meet with chief...

Chief calls off meeting because Gov Gen wont attend...

Chief ends hunger strike...

Did a meeting even happen... I don't know what I'm even following anymore????
1/28/2013 2:17:39 PM
hardball says:
to the editor,
I am wondering why my posts are not put on the comments , yet you allow white racism remarks towards Natives and their protests on...
I made the same comment on the Sun and it was allowed, you I think is ignorant in comments for these causes, only allowing negative uneducated, commts that most don't even know what the real story behind INM is...even this post won't get on...
1/28/2013 4:06:00 PM
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