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2013-01-28 at 14:50

Power priority

By Leith Dunick, tbnewswatch.com
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THUNDER BAY -- Iain Angus is hopeful premier-designate Kathleen Wynne will place a looming Northwestern Ontario power crisis amongst the top items on her to-do list.

Angus, who co-chairs the Common Voice Energy Task Force, said to keep the issue of whether or not to mothball the Thunder Bay Generating System front-and-centre for the newly elected Liberal leader, the group intends to fire a letter off to Wynne.

They plan to ask MPPs Bill Mauro and Michael Gravelle, the minister of natural resources, to deliver the letter to Wynne on Tuesday morning.

Angus said he doesn’t want the conversion from coal to natural gas, halted by Energy Minister Chris Bentley at the advice of the Ontario Power Authority, to get lost in the shuffle, given the giant gap that exists between what the OPA say the region’s energy needs will be going forward and the reality the ETF believes will be required by 2020.
It’s too important an issue, he said.

“Substantively I don’t think (a new premier) changes the process,” Angus said Monday at a meeting of the city’s intergovernmental liaison committee.

“The reality though, is we’ll likely have a new minister of energy. And that’s both good news and not-so-good news, because Chris Bentley has been very engaged in the file and knows how complicated it is.

"A new minister will have to be brought up to speed, but certainly Bill Mauro and Michael Gravelle will be in a position to take advantage of the newness and make sure our views are top-of-mind, as opposed to those of the OPA.”

Bentley has already announced he won’t be seeking re-election in the next election, making him an unlikely candidate when Wynne rolls out her cabinet as expected next week.

There’s also a growing concern the delay could lead to rolling brownouts and blackouts in Thunder Bay and elsewhere across the region in 2015, especially with a large gap between the closure of the TBGS and the completion of an east-west tie line, which the OPA estimates promises will be able deliver enough energy to the region.

The Atikokan Generating Station would help fill any shortages.

Under a best-case scenario, the ETF estimates Northwester Ontarians will need 1,298 megawatts of power by 2016, a number that grows to 1,564 by the end of the decade.

SNC Lavalin has suggested the energy need will be even greater. The OPA, on the other hand, is predicting the region will need just 760 megawatts of power by 2016 and 850 megawatts by 2020.

Angus said a major sticking point with the OPA is they simply don’t believe a lot of the mines being discussed will ever open.

“We haven’t seen the whites of their eyes,” said Angus, relating OPA reaction upon being told about the mines.

Intergovernmental Liaison chairman Joe Virdiramo said it’s time the OPA and the province, which has final say over the future of the generating station, started listening to reality.

They’re becoming part of the problem, he said, noting mining and forestry companies don’t like energy questions left unresolved when contemplating where to invest.

“They need to know the power is here and the power is readily available. If they’re going to invest millions and millions of dollars, they may not consider investing if they think the power is going to come in three or four years, or the situation is going to be tenuous,” Virdiramo said.

He added Wynne isfully aware of the situation and he’s confident she’ll act quickly.
Like Virdiramon, Mayor Keith Hobbs said the region can’t afford the status quo.

“It’s of the utmost urgency, this issue,” he said.

“It’s very frustrating. The OPA’s numbers are diametrically opposed to ours, so far out of skew that it’s almost ridiculous. The minister has got to make a decision one way or another.”

No is not an answer, he added.

“It’s better to err on the side of caution because our numbers … show that we’re going to need the energy. So let’s get it done right now.”


 

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conker2012 says:
Do these coucilors not realise that lower mattagami and little jack fish will add more than 500MW of power in the short term. I understand the appeal of a power plant in the city, but would it not make more sense to have a smaller new gas plant as a peak loading plant.

A new 100MW gas plant that used the existing turbines as a cogen could save millions and be far more efficient than a gas boiler plant.

DON'T CONVERT, UPGRADE!!!

It is like they have an old minivan and they are trying to convert it to a hybrid. The conversion kit costs about the same as a new hybrid prius but the new car is twice as efficient as the converted old car. The van was good when they had kids, but now it is only two people. What makes more sense? Franken van or new car?

Sames goes with the power plant, franken plant or new technology?
1/28/2013 4:15:02 PM
sky high says:
Did it occur to you that you do not know what you're talking about? You sound like an accountant pretending you know a lot about rocket science. Just give it a break and let the qualified people do the math.
1/28/2013 5:32:55 PM
ring of fire dude says:
Doesn't Ian read TB Newswatch ? Collins and FWFN are going to make a bid for the TBGS and a Chromite processing facility (Psst...FWFN is really after the Hydro plant).
1/28/2013 5:42:38 PM
tbayguy009 says:
If you are right, the privatization of all electricity generation continues.

The lieberal plan all along. Behind cloesed doors of course.
1/31/2013 7:31:18 AM
damanisback says:
don't worry! they will make an unformed or un educated decision ,that will cost us millions in the short future-Their politicions thats what they do ..no?
1/28/2013 6:39:19 PM
RBosch says:
@conker2012 - you are correct that the Little Mattagami and the Little Jackfish projects COULD add substantial generation to the system. There are a couple of things wrong with your scenario though; the Lower Mattagami is in Northeastern Ontario and not in Northwestern Ontario and that added generation will be limited by the capacity of the new East/West Tie Line (650 MW's) and what do you do when that 650 MW flow is interrupted by weather or system problems, with nothing to take up the need. The Little Jackfish is a viable, but non committed generating station and it would take at least 8 years for it to go from the drawing board to production, which takes us far enough into the future to not help us in the near and mid term time frames. There is a problem now, within 4 years, and most certainly within 7 years, should the loads in the Northwest proceed as indicated.

to be continued....
1/28/2013 7:32:05 PM
RBosch says:
....continued.... I agree that the most desirable situation would be to have a brand spanking new Generator, but, it has to be in the 300 MW size category to replace Thunder Bay GS. There are reasons for that, which are complex and space on this forum does not allow for that. Given what we are presented with in the conversion plan, we would have 2, 150 MW Gas driven generators, giving us a flexible capacity and making use of current facilities and infrasture. That is what was offered, planned and subsequently put on hold. We need to have this plan re-started, so as to come close to the December 31, 2014 deadline. As they ahve put a hold on the conversion, there is an expected shortfall, as they can not meet that timeframe, due to their decision on Nov.1, 2012. These are the facts and are not just conjecture.

I hope this helps.
1/28/2013 7:39:36 PM
YellowSnow13 says:
She's already come out and said she is going to continue with what McGuinty started. Good luck sunshine! I thought all you Liberals knew what the other was doing? Guess not!
1/28/2013 7:51:34 PM
Vanity says:
OPA Is probably right. World resources of shipping-grade chromite are already sufficient to meet world demand for centuries.
+facts+about+northern+Ontarios+massive+Ring+Fire+mining/7744924/story.html
Also Horizon Wind is still to come on board.
1/28/2013 10:30:47 PM
mercy mercy me says:
put Angus, Virdiramo and Hobbs in the same room with any reporter, a microphone, a camera and a couple of wind turbines and the perceived NWO power problem is solved
1/29/2013 2:50:39 AM
oscarmyerweiner says:
What's wrong with the wind farms. If they can't put them up on the Norwesters why not move them to a different location. This is Northern Ontario we have bush everywhere you look. As for building new it's kinda hard to support when you read stuff like this and you wonder why your hydro is in disconnect.

1/29/2013 10:02:47 AM
tbayguy009 says:
'What's wrong with the wind farms.'

First, they only put out power when the wind blows.

Second, their output is not predicable or controllable, so other systems must make up for those fluctuations.

Third, they are expensive compared to their usefulness as mass energy systems. Other options are cheaper.

Forth, the contracts promissed to the wind producers will add up to increased prices to the consumer. While the cheap cost of production systems are forced to shut down, while wind energy MUST be used first.

Fifth, they can not be concidered as energy increases to the grid unless they have a 'buddy' base load generator to compliment them. (with spinning mass ready to be unloaded when the wind changes)

Shall, I go on. Or have you not been reading anything but media releases?

Your alarm clock depends on electrical stability to function properly. And wind farms aren't it.
1/31/2013 7:48:00 AM
RBosch says:
I wish people could read and understand the full import of what is being said, rather than running off at the mouth about your personal opinions of people. The Ring of Fire is important as a mining project, due to the size of the employment force needed and not because of the MW load expected. It represents about 10% of the projected load increase in Notrhwestern Ontario and yes, if it do not go forward, our increased load needs could be reduced by that much. We are still in trouble from a total load growth perspective though. The biggest concern lies around the loss in manpower. This story is about the suuply and demand that is seen to occur in the near future, not about the wind farms, your political views or your sniping.
1/29/2013 5:18:48 PM
tbayguy009 says:
Sniping people are ones who got the legislation in place to have these coal plants shut down in the first place.

And China is still going strong. Burning coal.

How about a reality check then. Clean the operation up at the smoke stack, instead of blowing more smoke over these green energy scams. Then, with a REAL plan, start building REAL alternatives.

Lieberal fear mongering tactics are flarring up again, exposing that they really have no concept of what they are doing. They never did.

Smart business people would NEVER destroy a functioning assest, BEFORE they would have an alternative in place, running and tested.

You assume too much, when you think politicans need to be smart. They need to be manipulative to get re-elected. That is all.

A couple of coal plants in the whole province, firing up their boilers occasionaly, have been seen projected to make a world of difference too. They won't.

Yup, it has made a difference, by the increased costs to the consumer. All Ontarians.
1/31/2013 8:08:19 AM
mercy mercy me says:
i,for one,wake up grateful every day knowing that i have possibly the most informed, educated, stoic and knowledgeable poster here, adjudacating the posts, the vigor with which he dispenses judgement is truely amazing, i hesitate to say legendary [in his own mind]...i thank you and will cherish your wisdom....if i may, i would like to quote from your recent post "yes, if it do not go forward,"....the eloquence dazzeles
1/29/2013 9:12:34 PM
Rbosch says:
Thank you for making my point @mercy mercy me. Rather than commenting or contributing to the real conversation, you choose to pick up on a typing error I made. I truly apologize to you for my mistake, but then again, I have grown used to people, such as yourself, who like to post comments about people, rather than the issues. I was attempting to provide some information to those who might actually care about what might happen to our Region. The information I provided was based on the actual facts. If you choose to ignore it or choose to just want to make stupid remarks, that is your prerogative. Have a good day and thank you for your valualbe contirbution.
2/3/2013 10:22:30 PM
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