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2013-01-30 at 16:32

Addressing gridlock

By Leith Dunick, tbnewswatch.com
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Thunder Bay Regional Health Sciences Centre’s CEO says she’s encouraged at Health Minister Deb Matthews’s sincerity about fixing the hospital’s ongoing gridlock problem.

Andree Robichaud on Wednesday took Matthews on a tour of the overcrowded facility and said now it’s a question of getting the partners to the table to find a solution.

For now she hopes patients understand the situation.

“We’re caring for our patients and we’ve expanded 10 beds in the hospital and St. Joe’s have deferred their renovations of their palliative care beds, so we’ve got capacity,” Robichaud said.

“We’re moving people in alcoves and right now we’re monitoring it on a day-to-day basis. We haven’t cancelled surgery, so it’s touch-and-go.”

As of Wednesday, the hospital had 53 alternative level of care patients within its walls, with six patients waiting in the emergency room for beds, on top of those in the alcoves and the 10 extra beds, which were filled immediately.

There were as many as 86 patients without a bed in early January, when the Local Health Integration Network stepped in with $300,000 to help reduce gridlock at the hospital.

“The volumes are down. We’re not seeing as many visits to the ER, so it’s better,” she said.

Asked if the fact that tenders for St. Joseph Care Group’s Centre of Excellence has come in well over budget might mean slashing alternative care beds from the plans, Matthews said it’s not part of any revamped plans.

“We need to do that,” she said. “You’re quite right, we have to do it within a certain budget, and I know St. Joe’s is very committed to taking another look at their plan so we can move forward to it. I know how important it is to the people of Thunder Bay, to the people of Northwestern Ontario, that this project gets off and running,” Matthews said.

“We need those beds. It’s as simple as that. And I’ve had a tour of the hospital here and seen with my own eyes that they’re capacity challenged. So we have to address that.”

In other health news, Matthews re-iterated the province at this time has no intention of providing additional funding to the Lakehead Nurse Practitioner-Led Clinic, saying there is plenty of patient capacity at the city’s other clinic, located about a kilometre away.


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cm punk says:
The hospital has been in gridlock since the day it opened.
Simple, it's too small of a hospital and major expansion with bed space is required.
1/30/2013 4:41:59 PM
Mazda323 says:
Did she also tour the LPH and see that as a viable resource? If not, she should have!
1/30/2013 4:46:38 PM
jonthunder says:
The problem started on the path to being acute when two old hospitals merged into one new one and there was a cut of about 200 beds, back around 2003 when the liberals came to power and claimed credit for the new hosptial. A moron would have seen the problem in advance. Now, with a minority government and McGuinty finally gone, the government seems to be willing to "study" the problem once again. Always a study, never direct and immediate action to a very well known problem and obvious solutions. Fix it or be honourable enough to resign.
1/30/2013 5:01:56 PM
jethro says:
not too mention that Mckellar is built on SOLID ground with 30 ft deep pilings and will outlast new hospitals by years and years!! lol
What happened to minutes save lives?? I wonder how many people have died while the ambulance drives by mckellar or pa general on a extra 10 min at least ride to new hospital???sad,
2/1/2013 1:45:38 PM
The Beaver..... says:
Tell those of us that are looking for a DR where this capacity is..I need to know that because i can not find a DR.To tell me it is a mile away is a yoke.
1/30/2013 7:33:21 PM
MD says:
Have you tried Health Care Connect? It's a good place to start if you haven't.
1/31/2013 11:26:50 AM
mamabear says:
I read sometime ago that the TBHSC is operating at 80 something percent because of long term care and mental health patients not having anywhere else to go. If, they want to expand, they should use the space that is being used as courtyards right now. When I was a patience there last year in June, I hardly ever seen anyone use those areas. The only reason I was able to be admitted there was that the gridlock was taken off for one day, then it was gridlocked for the next 3 weeks. The level of care I received was amazing and I really can empathize with the staff on being so efficient and caring when they are over capacity. Kudos to all of them!
1/30/2013 7:46:52 PM
Ranma says:
We should be building a new hospital before an events centre. We need a hospital more than we need a place to watch teams that go under after 2-3 years due to lack of fan support.
1/30/2013 8:00:43 PM
FernandoMartinez says:
The hospital will look great when it's finished.
1/30/2013 9:19:55 PM
blue says:
"she’s encouraged at Health Minister Deb Matthews’s sincerity about fixing the hospital’s ongoing gridlock problem."
Unless I am mistaken isn't that Ms Robichaud's job ?
1/30/2013 9:19:56 PM
musicferret says:
How do you fix the problem when you are being funded by the province at a level that matches the bed numbers of the current too-small hospital?

Do you want her to find a hundred million $ in her back pocket, build the new wing, and hire the new staff herself? Maybe she has the money in her couch cushions.

Ms. Robichaud can't magically make the correct funding level appear. Only the health minister can.
1/31/2013 9:47:33 AM
northerngardener says:
"Andree Robichaud on Wednesday took Matthews on a tour of the overcrowded facility..."

Is this only the FIRST time she's toured the Regional??
1/30/2013 11:17:51 PM
itshell says:
Hey Blue...she means that 85+ beds being taken up right now are patients that should be in other facilities (i.e., long term care, etc) but because of the lack of those beds...they are in TBRHSC...so she glad the the Minister is looking at getting more of those beds to free up the 85+ beds at the regional
1/31/2013 6:47:06 AM
truthfulsmile says:
Additionally more plastic buckets will be needed for the roof .
1/31/2013 9:09:19 AM
YellowSnow13 says:
The hospital seemed to find a place for my VERY SICK grandaughter. Perhaps we just have too many people going there that shouldn't be going. And for the money that CEO makes, I'd think you should come up with a better plan. I'm starting to think you are just a figure head.
1/31/2013 12:12:44 PM
lori says:
Goodness I love postings like those from jonthunder who take an issue and do the big spin.

The conversatives closed our hospitals but this city fought for one new one. The number of beds was going down either new or retro-fit, because that's what the conversatives say we needed.

We all know we could use more beds, but it would be nice if the Fed's recognized our huge increase in aboriginal people's and helped fund this need. Our population is growing. we can't just expect the province to fund everything on top of the hundreds of millions we have already received.

More doctors more nurses, more procedures, nurse practitioners and they are supporting us seniors when the city bailed on us, and tons more.

Still lots to do because the demand keeps growing, but the change for the better in our health care has been staggering. This hopefully will help.
1/31/2013 1:18:42 PM
yqtyqt says:
Now you're joking me right. More doctors and nurses. Where?

My wife just retired as a nurse. The situation is pathetic. I don't know what your smoking but it must be good.
1/31/2013 2:55:36 PM
yqtyqt says:
We hear from the Alberta economic expert Ron kneebone that "The failure of past Ontario governments to control spending has added significantly to the province’s debt load and today saddles Ontario taxpayers with more than $10 billion in annual interest payments. That’s money that isn’t available for health care, education or other social services"

Hmmm. Who said that out of control spending and accumulated debt is a good thing.

Well that was Billie and Mikie along with their sidekicks Lori, Bluejay, Advocate and many other liberal flunkies.

Health care in Ontario is failing due to the carelessness of government spending. But don't ask the beneficiaries of the wasteful govt spending. Buchanen, Friscot, Global sticks, Regen etc. They're doing fine.
1/31/2013 1:48:43 PM
mystified says:
It's the doctors who admit patients that are taking up beds not the CEO. If a patient can walk up and down the halls or go outside for a cigarette they shouldn't be hospitalized so don't be blaming the CEO for the shortage of beds.
She didn't build the facility, she was hired to make sure it is run affordably and efficiently and can only rely on the staff who make all the decisions on wether a patient is admitted or sent home.
1/31/2013 3:56:45 PM
fyema says:
What about using D wing of the hospital. Prison side beds are located lower level behind the cafeteria. Seems empty and not in use.
1/31/2013 4:21:58 PM
sickandtired says:
If they moved mental health back into the LPH (the Forensic Unit, the Adult Mental Health and Child/Adolescent) along with all of the mental health patients who are clogging up ER, gridlock would end! Additionally, there would be huge savings in economy of scale stuff like having all the psychiatrists working in one place, all the records together, staff not driving all over town to try to support people who are barely hanging on! Oh wait ... That's how it used to be in the "good old days" when people actually got mental health care and proper support!
1/31/2013 4:44:22 PM
lori says:
yqt, give me a break. nurse practitioner clinics, angioplasty surgery, state of the art equipment. 1 of 4 pet scanners in ontario. but you keep yelling at the moon. and way more doctors in ontario

in the meantime, keep ignoring the spending habits of the federal gov't. keep pretending their 31 billion deficit this year does not exist, keep pretending they have not been raising the debt, keep pretending, that only the ontario liberals and not almost every gov't in the world is deficit spending. keep pretending.

it is what you do best

and you still don't want to give me a name as to who has been better for the north than gravelle and mauro.

you would think a person with so much opinion on why the liberals are so bad, would have an answer to supply

you won't, you can't, there isn't and you are incapable of debate or discussion. you only know yelling and criticism.

with you, i will always repay in kind. with others, it is nice to discuss. try it sometime
1/31/2013 5:08:19 PM
hadenough says:
We're gridlocked and have been forever. Mental health patients can wander in and out of the facility seemingly unchecked. People are laying in the hallways for long periods of time waiting to get a bed.
All the while the LPH sits there heated, lit and pretty much ready to go. CEO of St. Josephs Care Group does not want to stigmatize people by using this facility so we wait, and wait and wait.
This is a sad state of affairs when we're paying for a mostly empty hospital to sit there unused because Tracey Buckler wants to empire build and the province sits on it's collective thumb.
1/31/2013 5:10:47 PM
irmy says:
I DON,T KNOW HOW TO FIX THE PROBLEM BUT EVERY TIME A NEW BUILDING FOR SENIORS IS BUILT THEY CLOSE TWO DOWN.hOW OLD IS PINEWOOD COURT ON jAMES STREET.?THE lph IS HALF EMPTY OR HALF FULL.BUT ITS STILL BEING HEATED TO HOUSE A FEW.sOMEBODIES HEAD IS NOT WORKING RIGHT,AND ITS NOT MINE.these seniors in the hospital need senior housing not hospital facilities,How do you get ahead when you build a 50 bed place and close a 70 bed,makes no sense at all
1/31/2013 10:10:28 PM
joey joe joe jr. shabadoo says:
...make it a HOSPITAL/ARENA?

The arena can be on the bottom floor & the hospital can go on the top floors??
2 birds with 1 stone?
1 building that takes care of 2 issues...

THUNDER CAPE used to be a popular name around here in the sail shipping days & should be used for the new "arena/hospital" name...
2/1/2013 9:45:23 AM
joey joe joe jr. shabadoo says:
...sounds like the bigman in ottawa should make a "platinum coin" with a $billion$ dollar denomination & deposit it into the healthcare fund... hmmm, ive heard this somewhere b4?
2/1/2013 9:51:19 AM
Unspoken says:
fyema how do you know those beds are empty and not in use? I hear they are at the capacity of 20 patients all the time. Gotta love the people that just want to kick mental health to the curb.
2/1/2013 11:57:57 AM
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