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2013-01-31 at NOON

'Boneheaded move'

By Leith Dunick, tbnewswatch.com
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The leader of Ontario’s Progressive Conservative Party says the Liberal government’s decision to pause the conversion of the Thunder Bay Power Generating Station from coal to natural gas is a “boneheaded” move.

Tim Hudak on Thursday said he met with Mayor Keith Hobbs and understands why convincing the province to reconsider the decision is Hobbs’ No. 1 priority.

“If we want to actually create jobs in the province, and we’re looking at the potential of nine new mines coming on stream in the area, we’re going to need affordable power,” Hudak said.

“Here’s what I’m worried about. I’m worried that the cancellation of the gas plants down in Mississauga and in Oakville, the billion dollars that it’s going to cost, I’m worried Thunder Bay is paying the price for this cancellation.”

Hudak, whose short speech on the cutting room floor at C&M Tile emphasized restoring the province’s manufacturing base if he’s elected premier, said an energy solution for Northern Ontario is badly needed.

“Let’s be clear about this,” the 45-year-old Hudak said. “Mining, forestry, manufacturing, they’ve always been strengths in this province. They’ve helped us build this great province of Ontario. But we have to have formal energy to move forward. And I’m really concerned that I’ve seen places pack up and go to Quebec and into the States.”

The energy program is too expensive, he added, with subsidies for wind and solar power projects upping the cost of traditional electricity sources.

Hudak, who said he presented an economic plan to incoming premier Kathleen Wynne, plans to take a wait-and-see approach on forcing an election. If she listens and is willing to incorporate Conservative suggestions, he said he’s willing to work with the Liberals to make government work. But if she takes a different approach, it’ll be up to the voters to decide.

He said he fears Northwestern Ontario could be on the outside looking if the Liberals remain in power, despite being represented by a pair of MPPs at Queen’s Park.

He pledged to create more jobs and balance the province’s books, which Hudak deemed the two most important issues to Northern Ontario voters.

“You see in the other two parties, quite frankly, this mentality that seems to say that the downtown Toronto environmental groups call the shots when it comes to economic policy. I think that’s wrong. I want to see a Northwestern Ontario that’s creating jobs empowering our province, not slipping.”

The Conservative leader also touched on gridlock at Thunder Bay Regional Health Sciences Centre, a problem that has plagued the facility since its earliest days.

Hudak said the health care system is too top heavy, and promised to alleviate the problem, using the savings to provide the care patients need.

“We’re throwing way too many dollars into administration. Nobody seems to make decisions. We laid out a plan in Paths to Prosperity that’s going to take the administration and put it into front-line services, and actually reward the hospitals, doctors and nurses that are doing a good job out there.”

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cariboukid says:
Yeah, like the Cons would have agreed to spend the money on the conversions themselves. Give me a break.
1/31/2013 12:54:11 PM
tbaynorth says:
No kidding. He's probably meaning boneheaded for not cancelling it instead of delaying it. This is the guy that wants to sell the LCBO and lose over a billion in profits that currently go to provincial coffers. Not to mention the price increases we would see. Now that is boneheaded!
1/31/2013 2:08:32 PM
tbayguy009 says:
The Lieberals have ALREADY gutted the Ontario Power Generation system, allowing profits to be made with generous 20 years contracts by business 'investors' (read that as profit takers).

They privatized ORANG and wasted money on EHealth (which I beleive still isn't functioning). Then the Lieberals created money sucking LHIN's with no real purpose or power. (has the TBRH ever NOT been in gridlock with even MORE managers overseeing it's operation)

And you are MORE worried about buying a bottle at the LCBO?

Really now.

I am more worried about electricity costs, and finding a replacement for my familty doctor (who should have retired years ago, but won't until there is a replacement for himself - he has ethics).

Ya know these are facts of Lieberal performance. Every election cycle there are those who want to play on the fear of some fiction that hasn't even happened.

Has Hudac signed a paper stating his intentions, like McGimpy did? How is that health care tax working out for you?
2/1/2013 2:59:45 AM
yqtyqt says:
Of coure the health system is top heavy. Add to that the money squandered, and stolen with Ornge and ehealth. If you need more proof, look at the money wasted on other liberal friendly rojects.

But hudak does have a point with the energy flip-flopping liberals. Take the $billion or two mess from the Mississauga and Oakville "mis-steps" and do for Northwestern Ontario what it needs for the pending mining developments.

This Tbay cancellation (or not cancelling before the next election) is just part of the Liberal drama. Billie and Mikie have no say. his script and drama is being written in Toronto. The same way that the two GTA cancellations were.

This is soap opera material for the uninformed.

Anytime now, Billie will make a press realease that he has spend (& squandered) more. He'll trot out Bombardier like how may MPPs before him, the taxpayer paid projects etc.

In Billie mind, he's like Mel Lastman from bad Boys......nobody.
1/31/2013 1:24:42 PM
beached says:
From what I have read the health care overhead is around 1-2%.

The boneheaded moves at ORNG/e-health are a nasty drop in the bucket, it is a very big bucket. If anything, I think they show that the flexibility of purchasing that agencies get are far too flexible when it comes to big purchases like helicopters and muffins.

1/31/2013 10:47:49 PM
Escroft says:
They talk so much smack, and when they get into power, they completely forget about Northern Ontario. The Harris Government singlehandedly destroyed this city for over 10 years. Mayor Hamilton in the 90's was a complete disgrace as well. I wouldn't trust the Ontario Conservatives with a CHEQUING ACCOUNT, let alone Ontario's entire coffers. There is a HUGE distinction between the Federal Conservatives and whatever these Conservatives represent.
1/31/2013 1:47:13 PM
yqtyqt says:
Well you've not only handed you checkbook, but you're grandchildrens checkbook to McGuinty. What have got for that move...the creditors are cirlcing the block, buchanen has lines his pockets, and taxes and utilities are going through the roof.

When the repo man bangs at your door who are you going to turn to. Hopefully not billie and mikie. They'll probably suspend discussion and go into hiding somewhere near atikokan or some other hole in the ground.
1/31/2013 2:51:29 PM
tbayguy009 says:
The Lieberals have doubled the provincial debt while they have had their 'run' at governance.

And you claim that is better accountability?

Why blame someone else, when the people running the show NOW are given a complete pass.

Do you realize that this province is being concidered for a credit downgrade? Debt to GDP has risen wildly as productivity has dropped.

And in typical Lieberal supporter fassion, it has to be someone else's fault from 10 years ago.

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over, and expecting different results - Albert Einstein

By definition, Lieberal supporters would be insane to continue their support for such a failure as their party has demonstrated. Fully by thier own Lieberal actions.

The Lieberals have now also shown that the only way they can lead is by dictatorship. Given a minority, they try a couple scams to get 2 or 3 more seats. The 'plan' backfires so the leaders quits out fo the blue. Because his ego is crushed.

Shame is on the Lieberals
2/1/2013 3:21:18 AM
tbaybmkr says:
Actually there would be no need for conversions if the Conservatives were in because they would put forth clean coal technology... That would have been a heck of alot cheaper and would have kept more people working period.
1/31/2013 2:13:17 PM
mystified says:
It doesn't matter who is in power. They all promise the world and screw the voters after they get elected.
With the technology in place today they could burn coal and it wouldn't put a dent in the environment as there are not a ton of air polluting industries in this sparsely populated region. If they feel they should convert to natural gas so be it. Do it and move forward instead of waiting until the last minute and the costs get higher.
1/31/2013 3:38:31 PM
mercy mercy me says:
i am not pro-liberal anymore, but i am anti-hudak,i shudder to think of him implementing his agenda via a majority win in the next election.....he is the Paul Ryan of Ontario politicians and i do not mean that as a compliment
1/31/2013 4:03:54 PM
The Badger Mountain Hermit says:
Let's just turf them ALL, start from scratch, and declare our own new country. I want to be a Field Marshal.
1/31/2013 5:02:37 PM
ranma says:
tbaymaker, considering "clean coal" produces more radioactive waste than a nuclear power plant, I don't think that is a great idea.

What we need is thorium reactors. It can't be used for weapons, and the half life is powers of 10 smaller than uranium.
1/31/2013 5:12:26 PM
Watchmaker says:
Liberal, Tory, same old story. Squawk, bleat, point, peck, slam while in opposition. Then it is belly up the the feed trough for them an their cronies while in power. Politics in Canada suffers from an extreme lack of leadership, excessive partisanship. I hate to say it, but we are largely the cause of this as we do not take the time to get properly informed and the media continually fails to do their job - they are also dominated by partisan owners with agendas.
1/31/2013 5:57:07 PM
Tiredofit says:
Nothing more than a clone of Mike Harris, Duba Bush and Steven Harper screw the poor an middle class, lets make our well to do friends a little richer, they need the breaks more these welfare bums and middle class ho want it all!

The PC agenda is nothing more than a rehashing of Mike Harris, after all his wife was one of Mike's righthand people. Simply dug through the old computer files, changed the dates and names and away we go!

Mercy Mercy nailed on the head, not pro Liberal, but anti PC.
1/31/2013 6:00:00 PM
Gord says:
Give me a break - whine whine whine - lets try some facts - no wait, that might spoil your party though
1/31/2013 10:22:29 PM
Tiredofit says:
For fun I signed up for their emails, they send this crap every week, just go to their website and look at the proposed agenda, there's my proof. I'm all in favor of reduced spending, but not on the backs of the most vulnerable in the province.

They want to privatize almost all government service, it's well known fact that privatization puts profits before quality of service. Is also been shown that privatizing service or out sourcing cost a hell of a lot more, the only difference being that the payroll costs balance sheet is reduced.

As much as I dislike the Provincial Liberals, the PCs scare the hell out of me. Just look at the Federal version, we went from a federal government which was either running a surplus or breaking even to a massive deficit, it's the PC way! How to reduce and make yourself look good? Download everything the the provinces, in turn they download to the city and we suffer with even higher property taxes. We're arealy one of the highest in the country!
2/1/2013 5:35:53 PM
tiredofit says:
I hate typing on my iPhone, always makes corrections when you least expect it.

The sentence should read:
"Let’s make our well to do friends a little richer; they need the breaks more than these welfare bums and middle class who want it all!"

2/1/2013 9:21:07 AM
nvjgu says:
Yes , boneheaded. Good nik for him.
1/31/2013 6:17:35 PM
Gord says:
Ranma - good science behind that comment (NOT) - clean coal makes all kinds of sense and if you did some educated research and understood the engineering behind it, you would realize that it is the most efficient method of providing reliable and safe power. Time to quit spreading crazed rhetoric with no basis of fact.
1/31/2013 10:06:57 PM
Vanity says:
1/2 of the mines will not open ..prices for metals is dropping Chromite is already in abundance. Won't need the power plant
1/31/2013 11:16:44 PM
yqtyqt says:
Well wouldn't you know that today the public finds out what most knowledgeabe finance people in Ontario have known and been warning about for years.

It seems that the Fraser Institute is becoming increasingly concerned about overspending and accumulated debt in Ontario. The report is co-authored by our own Livio Di Matteo, a professional economist from Lakehead University.

This follows Don Drummonds (professional economistt with the TD bank) statements on overspending and debt, and a warning from bond rating agencies.

Of course the report makes the comparison to debt ridden California and Greece.

Folks, despite the spin and constant excuses that come out of the premiers office and the continual letters to the editor from our MPPs, the evidence is mounting that we're in trouble.
Serious trouble. Overspending must stop, Debt is at a dangerous level. No more excuses and whining.

Our feds however enjoy an envious fiscal record on the other hand in the industrialized world.
2/1/2013 8:49:16 AM
YellowSnow13 says:
Wow not pro Liberal but anti PC. Are you people nuts? A guy comes forward and identifies Health Care is top heavy and he wants to get rid of that and you clowns just same the same old Liberal garbage. I don't like the PC's they are bad. Harris has it right. What have the Liberals done for us. Oh ya we got a clover leaf at the end of the Hodder. Big Deal! Now if the Libs get elected they are going to study for the next 2 years all the other intersections. More money spent to study. You can't just look at history? The Ont. Liberal Gov. spends money on BS and wonders where the money is. You have a guy here that wants to clean it up and you just complain. I guess you must like the Libs. because if the NDP get elected say Hello to higher taxes.
2/1/2013 9:19:45 AM
fastball says:
"... pausing the conversation of the area's generating station"

Proofreader on coffee break? For 2 days now?
2/1/2013 9:56:43 AM
ranma says:
Gord I did the research, hence why I know thorium is better than coal.


Coal produces ash, which is radioactive. Remember that huge break that happened in Kentucky? Probably not as it was not covered in the news. 300 acres of land was destroyed when a coal ash slurry retention wall broke.

Check the research, Thorium is much safer and more convenient.
2/1/2013 10:36:49 AM
dynamiter says:
Ranma - just because you google something and read a report doesnt make you a researcher. Just because something is in print doesnt make it true. The article that you quote is a right wing think tank that supports big business ( ie the same guys that support the Republican party in the US), denies global warming, is against Universal health care in the US. It has received funding from Koch industries, ExxonMobile, and the Insurance industry in the USA.

In other words their scientific research proves that their funding organizations are really nice guys.
2/1/2013 11:58:57 AM
Gord says:
Ranma - I'm familiar with thorium as an alternative to uranium in nuclear plants. I'm not sure we are better off generating more radioactive waste as compared with mitigating the risk associated with coal, especially given the technology available these days.
2/1/2013 11:38:35 AM
lori says:
YQt, the NDP spin is alive and well. I read the newspaper too. 8 times in the last 31 years the budget was balanced, while you cry at the moon about the liberals. 3 of those eight were this government. The report was critical of Liberal Spending, fair enough. Let's debate it, cause I think they overspent, but here is the part YQT and the rest of the political junkies want to ingore, the money is coming here. creating jobs and a future here. In ottawa, spending like crazy, none of it is coming here. That is the difference. That is why Gravelle and Mauro have done better than anyone else. We had an NDP member in Gov't. We didn't get this. We had Tory members, we didn't get anything near this. That is why I will support them again.
YQT, you know no other path. Fine, but the facts are the facts even if you don't like them. Mike governed during a world boom and had deficits. Rae was awful and both brought us very little. I'll take the $s the Liberals brought here anytime. We have a future
2/1/2013 12:22:42 PM
yqtyqt says:
Well facts are facts buttercup. No denying after almost every professionsal economist outside of the premiers office has told us that the liberals are doing a dreadful job of managing the economy. But then again, the lieberals, incuding your two local followers will blame Mike Harris (although he's been out of power for a decade), they'll blame it on the recession, they'll blame it on the climate change, bad timing, and the list goes on & on.

Here's a new spin for you. How about the liberals blame it on themselves and their own stupidity. It would be refreshing for them to say....we made many,many mistakes here and we accept full responsiblity.

On top of that we've lied about the state of ontarios economy. We're sorry and at the mercy of voters.

Several weeks ago, Brian Burke took full responsibility for the failure of his hockey team. His words reflected his motto "no complaining, no excuses, I take responsiblity. I didn't do a good enough job"

Thats what a real man does.
2/1/2013 2:08:45 PM
yqtyqt says:
One more thing.

What NDP spin are you crying about.

These are professional, well versed, educated, experienced economists. This isn't some desk jockey in Billies office. Read the economists comments before you embarass yourself anymore.

If you think that all of the money was dropped from a liberal airplane on Thunder bay, then you need to get out around the rest of the province. I think you need the break anyway from you computer in westfort.

Facts......you don't have a clue about facts.
2/1/2013 2:13:09 PM
lori says:
23 years out of 31 were budget deficits and the only thing you know is bash the liberals ignoring what is happening in Ottawa and in all governments. your agenda is alive and well. The money didn't come from a plane, nor the sky. It came from the Liberal gov't and it came here. So I asked you before, you will ignore again. List the money you want to stop coming here.
Bombardier, Hospital Highways
New Facilities or countless others, about 2000 new jobs
List them, tell those workers their services are not wanted, reduce T.Bay's economy and lets see how well that is received. Again cause you just don't get it. Ottawa debt/deficit--- does nothing for T.BAy
Queen's Park debe/deficit--- has created a boom in this town, with jobs and a future
both debts have to be paid. Tell me oh perfect one, which one would you like. Cause when we had Tories and NDP representing us, the debt was still growing and we got nothing. U R the only guy who thinks our MPP's should fight for no dollars. Amazing
2/3/2013 4:53:26 AM
yqtyqt says:
Well buttercup, You missed the point again. The article is about Ontario, not Canada. If you want to criticize an article on the Federal finances, go ahead. By the way, you claim to be a conservative, so lets see how that works out for you.

Professional economists (as opposed to the spindoctors in Billie office) from every corner of Canada are not very impressed with the Gov't of the day in Ontario. Earlier last week, an economist from Western Canada belittled the Ont Libs for their lack of effort in getting their spending under control. Several months ago, Drummond warned the libs that they are driving the province into the dumper. And late last week, Livio Di Matteo raised similar concerns.

But then again, you want the readers to believe that your knowledge is deeper than these professionals.

By the way, you state the money "came from the Liberal gov't and it came here". Actually the money came from current & future taxpayers pockets all over the prov. Far too much of it.
2/4/2013 2:47:38 PM
fluffy says:
All politicians are boneheads. They'll promise you the world until they get elected then they completely forgot about what they promised.
2/1/2013 1:51:03 PM
tbayguy009 says:
The real problem is, why does the public allow them to get away with it?

Answer: because everyone wants something for nothing. Even if it only a promise.

Result: government debts that people can't even comprehend because they are so large. Exactly what is a quarter or half trillion dollars anyway. Pft. Don't mean nothing to people who deal in 100's and 1,000's.

Would you actually vote for any politician that said they weren't gonna give you anything? Nothing. Nadda.

Everyone votes for the other person.

It's not their fault that 'we' are such pushovers.
2/1/2013 4:59:35 PM
random says:
Blame all this on Anonymis1
2/1/2013 5:18:14 PM
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