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2013-02-04 at 20:13

Higher fares

By Jeff Labine, tbnewswatch.com
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THUNDER BAY -- The price of a bus ride is about to go up.

City council approved recommendations at Monday night’s Committee of the Whole meeting to increase transit fares by April 1. Cash fares will go up five cents to $2.65, 20-ride punch pass will go up by $5 to $40, family day pass by $4.50 to $10.50 and ticket sheets up $4 to $24. Monthly passes also saw an increase; adult increased to $74 and discount adult to $63.50.

Youth and senior passes will not go up.

The higher fares are expected to increase transit revenue by about $235,000.

City transit manager Brad Loroff said there’s a one-time realignment cost that’s required to move the pricing structure to the new fare table.

“The whole purpose of the fare table is to ensure a consistent way to manage the discount structure when compared to the cash fare,” Loroff told council.

Passenger classifications were also changed. A child is under five years old; a youth between the ages of six to 17, adult 18 to 59 and senior is 60 years old and up.

At-Large Coun. Rebecca Johnson questions why the youth fee was much higher than the ones offered to Confederation College and Lakehead University. She wondered if it would be possible for administration to offer a version of the U-Pass to secondary students.

“It’s still a fair amount of money for some of our youth to move around on a bus,” she said. “It is still $636 for 12 months for students that are teenagers primarily.”

Loroff said that the U-Pass is based on volume and aren’t at a point yet where the city could offer that deal for youth because they couldn’t guarantee the ridership. He added that few municipalities offer those programs for youth.

Administration also plans to have the option for passengers to buy passes online through the city’s website with the goal of having monthly passes available for up to three months at one time.

Council also approved the recommendation for the city to enter into an agreement with the Federal Economic Development Agency for Southern Ontario in order to secure $250,000 in funding. The funding will go toward improving bus shelters across the city.

In other business, council approved the CIMA report on the assessment of the flooding at the Atlantic Avenue Water Treatment Plant.

The report had a number of long and short term solutions in order to fix the plant that cost more than $1.4 million.

One of the suggestions included removing the number 4 screen from the channel and create an emergency bypass. The report states that removing the screen will reduce screening capacity but will significantly increase overall hydraulic capacity.

 

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Cletus Van Damme says:
That ain't fare.
2/4/2013 9:42:47 PM
Glyder says:
Haha, I saw what you did there...
2/5/2013 8:19:50 AM
panzerIV says:
I think that people will be more then happy to pay this increased fare with the additions that the transit master plan has. It likely will cut people's trips in half when fully implemented and also provide more residents with an opportunity to ride transit.

As of right now the only reason I don't ride is the time. 40-50 minutes to ride the bus to get to college compared to 8-12 by vehicle.
2/4/2013 10:12:24 PM
Undrgrnd says:
You said the only reason you don't ride is the time. So you don't use the transit but you feel comfortable in saying people will be happy to pay more, oh sorry... more than happy to pay more?

Last time I checked people were not riding the because it was luxurious. Or because of the looks you get when arrive in 12 tons of style. We do it for one reason, economics. Sure some do ride because it is green but the vast majority do so because it is the only option they have.

SO no, I don't believe the average bus rider will be more than happy to pay more for a service they have no choice in using. Tell me this....if we as community need added support from our citizens to maintain our vital operations why are we taking it from those who have the least to give????
2/5/2013 6:35:32 AM
bluebear1985 says:
I didn't expect the fares to go up, although I guess it shouldn't be surprising. With the penny going out of circulation, I wouldn't be surprised if other things see an increase in price as well.
2/4/2013 10:13:09 PM
chezhank says:
The Budget & You
City Council welcomes input from residents on the 2013 Budget:
Public Input Session
Tuesday, Feb. 5, 5:30 pm
(immediately following Long Term Financial Overview)
Council Chambers
3rd Floor, City Hall
500 Donald Street E
Interested residents are welcome to attend. Individuals and groups who wish to speak will have
up to 10 minutes each. There is no need to register in advance.
2/4/2013 10:54:10 PM
mercy mercy me says:
when do the increase in fares take effect? by April 1st. is stated,but that still is vague
2/5/2013 12:55:43 AM
Nikismith85 says:
I don't think this is right every year transit is hiring the fare saying that there making all these changes? Where are these changes? Im a transit rider and im not seeing anything different. I mean the changed the times but that just made it worse now I have a 40 min wait to get home instead of a 20 min wait. Why don't they have more buses running espicially during rush hour so the buses aren't packed, and children are standing in the middle of the aisles becasue theres no where for them to sit, or why don't they make the buses bigger for people who have their children in strollers, so that they don't have to take their newborn babies out and carry them, standing up becaue theres not enough room. Thats just for starters of the stuff ive seen since ive been riding the bus. All their doing my rasing the fare is putting more money in the pockets of the transit drivers thats what were paying for.
2/5/2013 1:11:57 AM
nvjgu says:
They just gave 150k to regenmed.
2/5/2013 1:31:28 AM
joey joe joe jr. shabadoo says:
$2.65 a ride???? WOW!

Be sure to grab a transfer regardless...

unless transfers cost ya now also...

2/5/2013 5:27:48 AM
Back-in-the-bay says:
The fare increase is probably justified, even if only by increases to operations, I don't nderstsnd the disparity in the category increases though. Raising the cost per ride by .05 for cash and .25 for 29 ride pass seems a bit thankless. Those purchasing the 20 ride pass are established riders who are guaranteed bus patrons. It would seem that if the increase was higher for one off ridership, then more people might purchase the 20 ride passes.
2/5/2013 7:00:42 AM
DaisyNuke says:
Maybe council should have taken the money they gave to Regen Med and given it to transit.
2/5/2013 8:51:43 AM
fastball says:
Again, the fares go up. And again, we still see no new terminal, no new routes, no improved schedules, no new anything.
This bus system - which I have been a faithful daily rider of for almost 30 years - is turning into a joke. If I miss my 5pm bus, I have to wait 40 minutes for the next one...and hourly for buses on the weekend sometimes.
We've spread ourselves out so widely in this town..and we all demand bus service, turning a 20 minute express route into a 50 minute cross country expedition?
2/5/2013 9:02:31 AM
conker2012 says:
If we are going to go to electronic preloaded cards why are we going to look at recreating the wheel.

Go with the Presto card. The infrastructure and online pay systems are already available. No new software needs to be developed and the kiosks and fare collection machines can be ordered and easily installed on any bus. Plus the province will likely kick in some $ if we go with their system.
2/5/2013 9:09:38 AM
patti says:
It still boggles my mind how these transit brains, hasn't looked into these 99.9% of **empty** bus's running late into the night.
2/5/2013 9:46:58 AM
Glyder says:
So, I take it by your comment you want to what, cancel these "empty" busses running late into the night, thereby discriminating against those people that may need them?

Just because you don't use them at night, others may, and I highly doubt that you have looked at ALL the busses running at night and have managed to determine that they are ALL empty.
2/5/2013 11:07:10 AM
patti says:
Your solution is to run a 40ft transit bus at an operating loss, as is presently because two people may need a ride at 12:30am on any given night ~ OPEN YOUR EYES PAL ....

Operate the profitable ones, reduce or eliminate the one's that are not `yes it's that simple.

Do you really need a 40ft bus ~ with 2 to 6 passengers ??
2/5/2013 5:37:37 PM
trollol says:
No, its really not that simple...
People need to take the bus late for many reasons:
Late night class at the college or university (e.g. 7-10pm classes)
Late evening shift
Safe alternative to driving home under the influence
Could not afford cab fare
Did not have the luxury of owning a vehicle

And for the record, the Mainline, Crosstown and Junot buses are quite packed on a regular basis at 1030pm+.

Also, if you were one of those 2-6 people, I'm sure you'd appreciate a late night ride versus walking home alone in the dark making yourself vulnerable to harm.

Open your eyes lol
2/6/2013 9:03:02 PM
imhere says:
Time to buy extra bus passes to get the cheaper rate before the increase. This is one time I wish we were more like Duluth and their fares. They have a peak fare and an off peak fare. Neither anywhere near what we pay.
2/5/2013 11:18:54 AM
thunderbaycouncel says:
WHY DO PEOPLE COMPLAIN? cost will continue to go up. 5-10 years from now it will be 5$ or more to ride transit. This is how the world goes round. People also complain that they have to pay $7 to park at the TBRHSC. uhhhh in toronto is cost $20 a day to park at the hospital. Costs have to go up in town here people. To pay for you know what.
2/5/2013 11:56:11 AM
Meta says:
Complain about a five cent fare increase!
The transit system is so heavily subsidized by the tax ayer it makes no cents!
Run a bus service that is at least break even or not at all.
We plow tons of money building bike lanes that take a way the very people that use the heavily subsidized bus service.
Just shooting the taxpayer in both feet now!
As for empty buses, run smaller buses or less often
Beter yet this council is just dumb enough to build a monorail. Monorail thats what we need! I Say MONORAIL!
2/5/2013 12:04:32 PM
Ozone says:
Council can fix this issue. Pay people to ride the bus. We will see improved ridership and hey we have given lots of free money to the many business like Regen in this town never ever hoping to get our tax money back. Why not at least given some more taxpayer money to the citizens. Free bus rides and we pay you for your riding time, blowing more taxpayer money. Pure thunder bay city council genius if you as me.
2/5/2013 12:12:50 PM
marshall says:
It's still cheaper than a taxi! Gotta be rich to take a taxi in Thunder Bay these days. I see these wealthy people taking a taxi to the beer store every day.
2/5/2013 12:41:16 PM
gogreenorgohome says:
$250,000 in bus shelters is greatly needed when the wind blows up Red River Rd..
And, Thank you for keeping the youth & seniors pass the same.
2/5/2013 12:52:00 PM
bttnk says:
Before people lament a 5 cent price increase on transit rides, I suggest looking at the cost of transit in cities across Canada. The fare is still relatively modest and the transit long range plan would appear to be a shared win for the city and transit riders.
2/5/2013 2:31:55 PM
alrightythen says:
Hope y'all realize bus fares elsewhere are far more expensive than tbay...
2/5/2013 4:02:16 PM
Don't believe the gossip says:
I don't get why people who use public transportation think they should be immune form the rising coast of fuel and inflation? People that drive vehicles have to pay on the increases, why should your transportation be excluded?

2/5/2013 4:14:41 PM
get_the_chip_off_your_shoulder says:
This is a bunch of BULL. Every time they raise the prices which as been every year it seems or close to, the raise in cash rides is much less than the raise in price per ride when purchasing a 20 ride pass. The concept of buying a 20 ride pass to commit to transit use and being rewarded for paying ahead is getting less and less rewarding. NOw it will come to 2$ per ride on a 20 ride pass versus 2.65 for a cash fare. Right now it is 1.75$ per ride on a 20 ride pass versus 1.60 and before that the gap was even wider. Soon it will cost the same when you buy a 20 ride pass versus a cash fare. I am going to check out used cars this weekend. I'm done being laughed at by city council's approving unfair fare raises. Becaue of this I now keep the furnace at 64 degrees and do laundry at 1am and cook a turkey only on a weekend cause everything goes up in price and we the people don't get raises at work to keep up. BULLOCKS!! BULLOCKS!!!!!!!!!!!
2/5/2013 5:56:44 PM
truthfulsmile says:
Yes , those shelters are so nice for youth , smooth ~!
2/5/2013 7:28:14 PM
imhere says:
Duluth Transit Authority Fare Prices
Fare Type Price
Maximum of three children ages 4 and under ride free when accompanied by an attending passenger age 13 or older.
Peak Hours: Defined as buses arriving or departing downtown Duluth or Superior weekdays between 7:00 a.m. to 9:00 a.m. and 2:30 p.m. to 6:00 p.m.
* Off-peak DTA fares are in compliance with the Federal Transit Administration’s Senior and Disabled Off-peak Fare Policy.
Disabled American veterans get free transportation on regular route DTA buses. Any disabled American veteran who displays a Department of Veteran Affairs Service Connected identification card or SC card will be afforded free public transportation.
Peak Fare $1.50
Youth Peak Fare (18 and under) $1.50
Off-Peak Fare* $0.75
Port Town Trolley $0.50
Day Pass Ticket $4.00
7-Day Pass $17.00
31-Day Pass(Adult) $40.00
31-Day Pass (Teen) $37.50
Summer Teen Pass $55.00
Stored Value Card $5.00 - $25.00
EZ-Card Initial $2 fee

--Better service than Thunder Bay too
2/5/2013 7:28:46 PM
idubyan says:
Year after year Transit has been reducing services - raising fares with impunity.

The last cash fare raise was in April 2012 - a fool's day joke

Many have not forgotten how Transit shut it's services to attend to Bombardier employees in the cold wintry month of February 2012 - inconveniencing hundreds of elderly/disabled/students/impoverished riders - quite shamelessly

To add salt to wounds - Transit reduced evening bus schedules - without any public consultation - as a matter of act - changes are made by Transit Admin and the Union without any input from riders/public.

The new schedules from November 2012 continue to be inaccurate as well continue to cause considerable inconvenience to riders.

And there have been numerous incidents of transit drivers neglecting to stop at bus stops - resulting in riders having to wait 45 more minutes in wintry weather.

There have also been many cases of rude/discourteous drivers.

:-(
2/5/2013 10:26:40 PM
idubyan says:
in continuation...

There are a total number of 49 buses
out of which only 32 run from 6am to 6pm

After 6pm only 13 buses (yes - thirteen) buses run

There is no service to the Health Unit nor to the East End after 6pm.

A decade ago another costly master plan from an out of town consultant recommended buses run 15 minutes during the day-time till 6, and thereafter from 6 to 9pm 20 minutes.

Months after the implementation Transit Admin drastically reduced the service to 30 mins and 40 for daytime and evenings (after 6pm)

What then was the purpose of the master plan

Now get this - the new master plan - supposed to come into effect in 2014 - makes the same recommendation as a decade ago.

No new buses will be added to the fleet. No smaller buses are being purchased.

The total number of buses during the daytime will be 38 as compared to 32 now. During the night - it will be the same - approximately 13.

Isn't it true 'The more things change, the more they stay the same'
2/5/2013 10:53:46 PM
idubyan says:
Now let us do a comparison of fares

Winnipeg Transit regular cash fare is $2.25. One can ride on a weekly pass for about $11.00 on an adult pass. Check out their website for fares of monthly regular/discounted fares.

TBay Transit used to have discounted 20 ride passes for disabled/elderly/students - which have been discontinued.

It would appear that Transit has a vested interest in car dealership and would like riders to buy cars - perhaps that is why they continue to raise fares/reduce services with absolute impunity.

Hardly any of Transit Admin/Drivers ride the bus nor do any of the City Councillors - so they have absolutely no practical perception.

With regard to the 'million dollar' display at the Water St Terminal/Hospital/Intercity - it only picks up info when GPS system is functioning.

Moreover - Transit operates the same schedules - regardless of summer/winter tho stores are open until 11 pm - even the Salvation army is open until 9pm
2/5/2013 11:08:48 PM
Curious says:
I think that they could drastically reduce the number of behind the scenes transit employees with high wages, benefits & pensions then they could reduce instead of increase the fares. a lot of folks that use the bus system are already financially strapped. we have too many folks on the payroll that shouldn't be there. time to clean house first.
2/6/2013 10:29:29 AM
idubyan says:
Now let us take a look at bus shelters. True there are very few. But if transit service was more frequent - then why would one want to invest in shelters - which only accommodate 3/4 persons?

Why is the need to have multiple terminals? So that drivers can get more smoke breaks? There needs to be only one terminal - the main office. Period.

Once the main office becomes The Terminal - there will no longer be empty buses displaying "Sorry, Out of Service".

Also with one terminal - there is cost saving opportunity of discontinuing multiple terminals and costs of hydro, heating, maintenance, etc.

The digital display system is inaccurate to say the least - it appears to have been designed by Transit Admin. who have no clue whatsoever as to how bus schedules - as they never ride the bus.

Finally, the No.9 bus from University to Intercity - the run actually takes only about 10 minutes (according to drivers) - but is currently allotted 25 minutes - more than double.
:-(
2/9/2013 2:47:14 AM
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