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2013-02-04 at 22:02

Another Loan

By Jeff Labine, tbnewswatch.com
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City council has given the financially struggling Lake Superior Centre for Regenerative Medicine another $150,000 lifeline.

The majority of council voted to give the only non-profit bone and tissue bank in Canada another loan. That brings the total amount given by the city to about $1.5 million. Council had already agreed to give a mostly interest free loan of $150,000 in October.

Only At-Large Coun. Rebecca Johnson voted against the recommendation.

Johnson said she voted against the recommendation because it appeared that there was no end to the amount being asked.

“This is continuing and it is going on and on and I do not think council or the citizens of this community are prepared to keep putting money into a private industry,” she said. “It’s around $1.5 million and I think that’s too much. I think the initial dollar allocation was just over $100,000 and we had that opportunity to provide that. It got the organization up and going but I think at this point and time it’s enough.”

The new loan was approved on the condition that RegenMed would receive provincial support. Ontario Health Minister Deb Matthews confirmed the province will help prop up the struggling Thunder Bay bone and tissue bank but didn’t reveal how much.

RegenMed board member Yves Fricot said if they didn’t receive the support from the province they would have looked at closing. He said there’s a zero per cent chance that the company will return to council to ask for more assistance.

“The city has helped this organization get to a place where its role is now within the health-care system,” Fricot said. “We don’t intend to come back and we made that commitment the last time we went before council back in October. The business plan is obviously borrowing the money and paying it back… the whole amount.”

Currently, RegenMed covers one-third of the bone and tissue that’s donated in the province.

With further support from the province, the company will be able to expand operations over the next few years, he said.

Fricot wouldn’t go into any specifics regarding the ongoing negotiations with the province but said they have received a commitment for a “significant amount” and hope to reveal the amount within the week.

“There’s an incredible growth period where you’re trying to change this how part of the health-care system works in the province,” he said. “That comes with a whole bunch of challenges. You have to change the relationship hospitals have with agencies with how they source bone and tissue. That’s proven to be a real challenge. There’s been no question that there has been growing pains.”

He added that starting in February the company’s technicians will be starting to do skin recovery in addition to bone and tissue recovery.



 

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panzerIV says:
I do hope that this is true they wont be back. I have supported ReGenMed in the past as an opportunity to cement and grow the health + research fields which are growing in Thunder Bay but the taxpayer cannot become a bank account.

We need the province to step up and take the reins on this. If its true that this venture will save the province the money its suggested then its well worth the investment for them. With healthcare becoming a strain on the budget we need to find more ways like this to provide Ontario jobs and bring down costs.

I wish them well but please don't come back to council.
2/4/2013 10:09:43 PM
sky high says:
What do you mean the taxpayer can't become a bank account? That's exactly what we are. Doctors are over-billing the health system for billions each year, lawyers are scourging the legal aid system and there must be tens of thousands of people in this city alone who are capable of earning their own money yet choose to take handouts from the taxpayer. Given all this, I have no problem keeping a valuable company like Regen afloat.
2/5/2013 8:19:46 AM
Tbay99 says:
If you had any doubts this city council was a complete joke this should put them to rest. Truly embarrassing, and yes I did vote, against these money wasting morons.
2/4/2013 10:18:12 PM
Tom Sanderson says:
When is this bottomless pit going to start turning a profit to pay back all the loans it has been receiving?
Tell this money loosing business to go to 'Shark Tank' or 'Dragons Den' and seek money. I bet they would get ridiculed out of the show.
City council must have gotten caught with their pants down to keep feeding this outfit.
2/4/2013 10:35:14 PM
chezhank says:
The Budget & You
City Council welcomes input from residents on the 2013 Budget:
Public Input Session
Tuesday, Feb. 5, 5:30 pm
(immediately following Long Term Financial Overview)
Council Chambers
3rd Floor, City Hall
500 Donald Street E
Interested residents are welcome to attend. Individuals and groups who wish to speak will have
up to 10 minutes each. There is no need to register in advance.
2/4/2013 10:55:28 PM
fluffy says:
I'm starting to get the impression over the years that they don't care what the public thinks or wants!
2/7/2013 11:38:14 AM
SomeGuy says:
Can any one just get money from the city? Because this is ridiculous, these people who run this company continue to fleece the tax payers.

Are the people running this company required to personally guarantee any of this stuff? Because if I wanted to get a $150,000 loan for my business I would have to put something up.

It's time to turn the tap off.
2/4/2013 11:00:33 PM
debt collector says:
I sure hope none of you ever need the services provided by RegenMed.

This company provides bone to help rebuilt bodies of Cancer patients who have been ravaged by the disease.

The tissues they collect are use to repair and replace ligaments in people who otherwise would suffer severe mobility issues.
2/4/2013 11:58:31 PM
Tiredofit says:
That's not the point. We should not be supporting business in this fashion. I'm a business owner who has gone through tough times, should I now be allowed to stand before the Donald St ATM because the bank won't give me a dime?
I had to let staff go, almost last my house, that's all part of it. Point is, as a tax payer, I'm sick of this bullcrap.

Another article states are taxes are going up, well I'm sick of these type of hand outs. That's a joke, give the $1.5 million to 10 small start ups. Even if %25 fail, it's still a better return for our money, we have several new small business generating new jobs and taxes, they in turn buy things like new houses generating HIGH TAXES for the coffers.

I'm not saying the aren't doing good things, but it's not they cities job to bail them out and have to continually increase out taxes, mine have more than doubled since 2000!!! I got my tax installment notice yesterday, $2532.00. I paid $2685 per yr in 2000! Arrgghhhhh!
2/5/2013 7:23:08 AM
nvjgu says:
And how much did our taxes go up. This has got to stop. Do you here that Mr Hobbs.
2/5/2013 1:11:34 AM
nvjgu says:
Yves Fricot, O% chance of return as stated the last time. So what are you doing back.
2/5/2013 1:26:20 AM
joey joe joe jr. shabadoo says:
...sounds about right....here is your cheque...see ya in 6 months...wink wink.
2/5/2013 5:28:40 AM
jonthunder says:
I assume the business plan has been completed and it clearly demonstrates viability for a non-profit company??? And it now seems that one level of government will be giving (lending?) it money so it can pay back some to all of the city loans? A new form of capitalism?
2/5/2013 6:45:49 AM
Meta says:
This mayor and council have clearly lost the understanding and responsibility they were elected to deliver to the municipal taxpayers of Thunder Bay

Our city is not a bank, a charity fundraiser or arm of the provincial federal departments for social programs. The mandate of the corporation of the City of Thunder Bay is to maintain and deliver Municipal services to the citizens under the municipal act.

This council has lost it's way and needs to be removed

Our roads, infrastructure and municipal services suffer and our tax rates are unbearable for low and middle class plus seniors while our council spends nay givens millions to charity and private businesses that have polical affiliations. We build bike lanes yet don't fix the roads or maintain facilities like the conservatory. We build a marina half the project for all the budget and all the other short sighted issues horizon wind farm, sportsplex, dssab building, other lost business loans . Sewage systems that don't work.
2/5/2013 7:56:15 AM
Glyder says:
"RegenMed board member Yves Fricot said if they didn’t receive the support from the province they would have looked at closing. He said there’s a zero per cent chance that the company will return to council to ask for more assistance."

Uh, last 2 times you went to council and said that "this loan will get us to where we need to be, and we won't be back in front of you". Yet, 2 more times you come, and the province as well!

I think its time to give it up, or at least for this council to stop giving money to this losing cause. How many other small businesses could have benefited from a 1.5 mil infusion of money? I don't understand why the city council is putting all this cash to this PRIVATE business. Maybe they need to become partners...
2/5/2013 8:18:01 AM
gotcha says:
Nothing worse than Politicians dabling in the free market with trust funds. Almost sounds illegal. We have seen a way too much of it in Thunder Bay
2/5/2013 8:45:36 AM
yqtyqt says:
So exactly what is wrong with securing a loan from a bank? Or do they scrutinize the business plan a little too closely?

If it's that much of a sure thing, any bank will gladly agree and then this corporate welfare can stop before taxpayers have to borrow themselves to pay their taxes. I hope that council at least asked for some collatoral or personal guarantees on these loans and insisted that the directors sign off that it will be the last time from this group.

As liberal Fricot says.."there’s a zero per cent chance that the company will return to council to ask for more assistance". I'll beleive it when I see it.

Get it in writing please along with a timetable on when we can get out money back.


2/5/2013 8:48:30 AM
DaisyNuke says:
I think it's obvious that this is not a viable business model. There's a reason that all the other tissue banks in Canada are operated for profit. Why are we continuing to support this venture?
2/5/2013 8:49:31 AM
Just sayin' says:
Maybe they should put the people in the company's houses on the line for this money so if it fails we can recoup the $1.5M, just like a real business. Running on imaginary government fumes is not a sustainable business.
2/5/2013 10:30:59 AM
dwb says:
Our corrupt city council proves it can't manage a lemonade stand again. They can't come in on budget yet still give interest free loans to private industry who have proven they can't pay it back. Throw every one who voted for this out at next election time.
2/5/2013 11:45:30 AM
CM Punk says:
5:30pm???
Really? Are you kidding me? Who planned this?
People won't be able to make it in time to complain about the spending happy morons that get elected in this tainted two bit town.
Some of us have to work and work a lot because the hydro and tax bill came in the mail and guess what? They went up.
I am sure the water will follow.
2/5/2013 12:09:22 PM
chezhank says:
The people's choice.
Tbnewswatch.com

2/5/2013 2:47:08 PM
The Badger Mountain Hermit says:
...a bunch of pooched-out blue hairs(90% male) who've lost all their value and credibility years ago. The only reason we're stuck with them, is because no-one in their right minds wants the job, and anyone with any real brains is doing something else more honest...
2/8/2013 10:52:53 AM
wayne says:
I believe RegenMed has told the Province that they will need funding for the next three years before they become self-sustaining.
2/5/2013 3:42:06 PM
Renegade120860 says:
As fast as you could snap your fingers, this meeting went from an information update on RegenMed, to them whipping out the collection basket again!

This is ridiculous!!!!!!

2/5/2013 4:15:08 PM
Tbaylifer 1 says:
This company should have been funded by both the federal and provincial governments. Why is the anger not directed at them? Do you people not understand what this company does? I'm sure your business is great but is it life altering? I'm one of the first to say what fools council is 90% of the time but I believe they showed compassion for others and it was right.
2/5/2013 5:09:48 PM
jimmyboy says:
Well I'll try to have my comments posted a second time...they are as follows:

Well I did indeed watch the city council meeting last evening as I always do....once again in listening to HOBBS speak in favor of this additional loan I was feeling nauseated to say the very least...once again HOBBS with his mini speech clearly indicated to all of his peers as well all those who tuned into view last nights council meeting that without any doubt HOBBS is RegenMed's biggest CHEERLEADER...this is the wrong thing to be continually supporting...I do not believe for a single moment in time that their business model is worth the paper it is printed on...it clearly is NOT worth that price of the paper because if it was the province of Ontario's Minister of Health Deb Matthews would have bought into their program long ago...yet to date they nor have not has she...is there any part of this that HOBBS understands.??? Again he is as clued out as anyone can be...so all he keep doing is throwing good money after bad.

If this is such a great business to back financially...then HOBBS and the others on city council as well as city manager Tim Commisso should all pool their personal money together and float this loan themselves...not continue to float this sinking boat on the backs of the already over burdened taxpayers...so there you go HOBBS...I challlenge you and the others in favor to anti up with your own cash seeing that you are all such great believers in this company...remember that you should always be careful what it is you wish for...if you would wish to back this company personally, well you would find that all of the funds invested in your hope and wish to be successful in this line of tissue and graph supply...at the end of the day your cash investment would turn out to be an "EPIC FAILURE" which is the direction this firm has been going since it began...so to HOBBS and the others, I say this..."Knowing a Good Deal is NOT the same thing as being Smart".!!
2/5/2013 8:56:42 PM
karcat says:
I always thought with a new mayor this would be a better council for the people in tbay,
however this looks like our okd council here
lools like this city has an endless supply on
money to spend on useless things, time to admit
this city will never get this money back, why?
this compamy will be back in the near future
at ths table again for more funds, all big prodjects in this city always have corruption
when there is money involved, marina park ,
audatorium, victoria ville, time to fire all the ex councillors, all sunshine members should
retire,and reduce all city workers wages to what there worth, esp the admin dept, ty
PS if there was an open line on radio like we had before , there would be more complaints
on there, they dont have the guts to do this..
2/6/2013 9:10:23 PM
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