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2013-02-12 at 11:59

Union president hopes new education minister will mean improved labour relations

By Leith Dunick, tbnewswatch.com
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The head of the Lakehead Elementary Teachers of Ontario is hopeful a new education minister means the dawning of a new day for labour relations with the province.

On Monday Premier Kathleen Wynne named Guelph MPP Liz Sandals, a former Ontario Public School Board Association president from 1998 to 2002, to the post.

Sandals replaces Laurel Broten, who became a lightning rod for helping to enact Bill C 115, which forced contracts on teachers, effectively removing their right to collectively bargain.

“We’re looking forward to a new minister of education, to say the least,” Ellen Chambers said. “We are quite pleased that Liz Sandals at least has a good background in education. She was the parliamentary assistant to the education minister and also was instrumental in the safe schools surveys and task force.”

Chambers said she Sandals promotion to cabinet as a clean slate, a chance to wipe away the bad taste left by Broten’s rein.

“Definitely. Premier Wynne has already approached us and given us some hope … We are optimistic there will be changes in the future.”

The deal also hacked away at teacher sick time and ended the longstanding practice of banking unused sick days and cashing them out at retirement.

While Chambers remains resigned to the fact Wynne has stated she won’t tear up contracts imposed on teachers through the controversial Bill C 115, she does think there are other ways to smooth relations.

“I’m expecting it to be a new culture,” she said. “I really am. What’s for us? There are lots for us in it. There are things that are not exact, that can be changed outside of Bill 115. The thing we wanted most, and it’s already happened, is that they’ve met with us now, one year late, and discussed the parameters of what any discussion would look like.”

This was lacking in the last negotiations, she added.

“Is it going to change what’s happened? I can’t predict. I don’t think so. They’ve made it very clear that’s what they wanted to get out of it by gutting our collective agreements.”

Chambers said it will be up to the teachers to decide whether or not to return to volunteer and extracurricular activities, which they ceased taking part in as a reaction to Bill 115. At the high school level it’s meant the cancellation of the sports season and has halted the annual musicals most schools put on.

“We have to wait and see what the government does. Teachers will definitely reconsider that, when we see what the government has to offer.” 

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CM Punk says:
I am sure Chambers does not have full support from her members.
She is living a pipe dream of sorts.
Teachers know that under the PC, their lives will be a nightmare.
2/12/2013 12:51:49 PM
Papercut says:
@CM Punk:

I would love a nightmare that involved: $90,000 PLUS salary for 187 working days (6 hour class time.

I call that a dream.
2/12/2013 2:10:39 PM
FrankieSaysRelax says:
you are a very ignorant little person Papercut
2/12/2013 2:56:40 PM
FrankieSaysRelax says:
Papercut, how ignorant can you be?? teachers usually stay till 430, sometimes 5.. only 90,000 if they have put in 10 years and they have to deal with deadbeat parents on a regular basis. Congratulations, you have proven with your comment what a loudmouth, rude, ignorant person you are!!
2/12/2013 2:54:31 PM
hey says:
Hahahahahaha!!! Stay till 4:30 or 5:00? You made my day with that comment. Thanks
2/12/2013 4:45:39 PM
Sui Generis says:
Oh, you don't even seem to realize how wrong you are. I have 5 kids in the school system, 4 high school and 1 elementary. I'm qualified to correct you a little on a few things.

- The teachers are usually out the door before the KIDS are at the end of the school day. Many times my child forgot something in classroom, and runs to get it, to find the door locked and teacher gone.

- Most of the teachers choose not to deal with ANY parents. I have had phone calls AND letters ignored time and time again. There are exceptions, but they are few and far between. And yet they shift more and more of the work and lessons to the parents. (To be completed at home with parent assistance - common phrase seen on work now)

They ARE paid too much for far too little. I'd feel better paying them what they receive if they did actually did the work they claim they're doing.

Disclaimer: There are some GREAT teachers. My kids have run across a few. But they're minnows in an ocean of sharks.
2/13/2013 2:01:25 AM
yqtyqt says:
One of the very few things that McGuinty did that I agreed with was taking a stand against the teachers union. In the face of mounting debt and deficits, he had no choice. Lets not confuse this with the teachers themselves. These sheep (the teachers) are being misguided by a group of militant self serving union bosses. The union has been hand fed by the liberal government in exchange for unlimited salary and benefit increases over the last decade. MCGuinty couldn't refuse the votes that were thrown his way in exchange for the "all you can eat" trips to the taxpayer buffet.

In order to end the lunicy, the teachers were told to take a pause.

Well, apparently the pause is over, Broten is done, and the all you can eat buffet is on again. Billie and Mikie will agree, like they have in the past, and the election will start all over again.

Insanity is repeating the same mistakes over and over again. When will taxpayers and voters realize that the Lib buffet can't carry on forever.
2/12/2013 3:00:30 PM
cm punk says:
I am not disagreeing with you paper cut.
Chambers perhaps thinks a new minister means teachers will get more money.
I don't think that is the case here for her.
Teacher benefits are more then golden already
2/12/2013 3:11:41 PM
sky high says:
It's just sad that teachers are more concerned with the cellulite in their wallets than they ever were with the children they supposedly cared about. A few nasty apples got into power and are proving that the whole notion of teachers caring about their students was just a facade for loving the easy, lucrative life. Sad. I hope the new minister was brought in to deliver these teachers even harsher news than their thick ears have already received.
2/12/2013 3:49:17 PM
FrankieSaysRelax says:
Are you all jealous of teachers or what?? I can smell your envy through the computer screen
2/12/2013 4:13:18 PM
Papercut says:
@Frankie: Truth hurts?

Sorry, but the truth of how your union has bullied and hoodwinked the government into giving you the most lavish package of any publicly funded employee (exception is the free for all medical practises) has slowly gotten out to the general Joe.

You know the Joe who works 2000 hours per year (vs teacher's 1172) at an average of $23 000 in Ontario.
2/12/2013 4:26:46 PM
mr. realist says:
please let us know how you got to 1172 and while you're at it-let me know what your definition of work is
2/12/2013 5:43:03 PM
Slyder says:
Let's see. As per the colective bargaining agreement. 240 minutes of class time plus 40 minute of planning time per day. 280 minutes per day or 4.7 hours. 195 instructional days a year. 195 x 4.7 = 917 hrs a year.... lol. Even if -each and every day- a teacher is planning and marking and additional 3 hours you're still only at.... ~1500 hrs a year. lol!
2/13/2013 9:38:00 AM
Blue says:
"There are lots for us in it. "Let's hope not too much. We are sick and tired of these over self important people crying. If you don't like the job just quit or retire!
2/12/2013 5:45:22 PM
IKNOWYOU says:
Joe should get a post secondary education if Joe is not happy with his wage. Oh wait Joe spends more time sitting on his computer complaining about what self motivated people have achieved rather than spending his time doing something about the life Joe is so unhappy with. Joe wouldn't worry so much about what other professionals make if Joe had the motivation if life to get off the couch and become one.
2/12/2013 5:55:22 PM
sky high says:
Not everyone that is disgusted with how easy teachers have it is a 'Joe'. Thousands of us are university educated and make a lot more than teachers, but the difference is we actually EARN what we make. Teachers get three months off with an extravagent pension funded 50 percent by the taxpayer. And let's not even discuss the 'sick' days where teach is at home resting, courtesy of the taxpayer. They've been laughing behind their hands at the average 'Joe', as you call him and her, for way too long. The gravy train ends here, Mr. Teacher. The gravy train has run out of steam. And one more thing....the average Joe doesn't hold children hostage for his or her benefits.
2/12/2013 7:57:00 PM
tnsaf says:
Facts:
1. teachers are paid for the days (average-190) they work; their pay periods are organized around a 12 month calendar.they are required by law to be at school 15 minutes ahead of the morning bell, 5 minutes before the noon bell and can leave at the end of day dismissal bell; elementary teacher typical work day includes approximately 1 hour of release time for planning; in secondary school the release time is more but I am not sure how much more;
2. there is no employer supplement to the pension plan-every penny added to that plan comes from a teacher's salary;

Opinion
I agree that a teacher's salary is adequate considering basic training and hours of student contact time. Those who give more, and thousands do give more, do so not for monetary recognition but because they care about students, learning, and the profession. It is unfortunate that the profession is degraded by the antics and selfishness of those who, like so many in the private sector, put self-interest first;
2/13/2013 8:30:16 AM
Slyder says:
1. So what if your 190 working days pay are spread over 365 days. In that 190 days your hourly wage -before benefits- is over $100/hr based on your legislated working time. No one with 10 years experiance anywhere makes $100/hr. You're collective agreemnts have you with 240 minutes of class time a day! 4 hours?
2. Wrong. Every penny you put in, the taxpayer does as well. So on top of making 90k a year, your pension contribution from that amount is doubled by the taxpayer. Look at this:

2/13/2013 9:56:09 AM
tnsaf says:
1. they are not my 190 working days and/or hourly wage;
2. it is not my collective agreement-I do not have a collective agreement; and, the correct spelling is "your" collective agreement; also, whose 240 min class time collective agreement are you referencing?
3. the average teaching salary is not $90,000 per year;
4. your assertion of taxpayer contribution to OTPP is convoluted and inaccurate but then, your information source has to be truthful because it's online-sarcasm intended;


2/13/2013 11:00:52 AM
tesla says:
Yawn

"Teachers make too much"

"We deserve what we get"

For anyone to call a teacher ambitious is quite funny. I belive they know they can only get so far in life.

Anyone worth their salt is in the private sector end of story.

2/12/2013 8:06:55 PM
gotcha says:
FrankieSaysRelax says:Reply to this comment.
Are you all jealous of teachers or what?? I can smell your envy through the computer screen

Thats not envy son thats your every day bovine waste coming from your side of the screen. If you teachers spent as much time professionaly plying your trade as you do with the creative financial engineering this country would be at the top of the academic world and I could spell. Will the new Minister refund Ms Chambers and her teachers fire insurance cause their house didnt burn down this year as well as the sick days? We'll wait and see what this brand of Libs have for us.
2/12/2013 7:07:20 PM
FrankieSaysRelax says:
I love the smell of jealousy in the mornings, its GREAT!!
2/13/2013 9:02:32 AM
sky high says:
Jealousy and disgust have similar odours, so you have to learn to decipher the difference between the two. Why would someone be jealous of sloth and opulence? Give your head a shake boy and go back to smells101.
2/13/2013 12:07:28 PM
CM Punk says:
We do not stay until 5pm.
We are usually out the door by 3:05. The parking lots are pretty much clear by then.
2/13/2013 10:33:16 AM
Papercut says:
@ tnsaf:

You are correct...there aren't 190 days in your work year...according to the lakehead board of education....there is 187! You can go to their website and see the school calander and count for yourself ...if you want to try and cover that up.

Plus.....last time I did the math...You don't teach the full 8 hour day....I think it is less than 6 hours....you need to consider that as well.
2/13/2013 12:40:01 PM
tnsaf says:
One more time, it might help your comprehension if you read the following aloud to yourself-"your work year" I do not have a teacher work year; "You don't teach the full 8 hour day" I do not teach a full 8 hour day, or teach at all for that matter;
I have concerns about the education of our children thus, try to make intelligent sense of the current union demands.
2/13/2013 6:12:03 PM
FrankieSaysRelax says:
maybe if you people who are obviously unemployed because you are on this site all the time got a job or hobby, you wouldn't be so envious of the teachers...
2/13/2013 1:43:32 PM
mazda323 says:
Judging from the number of spelling mistakes in the responses to this story alone, the teachers are failing miserably at their jobs and have been for quite awhile now...
2/13/2013 3:37:25 PM
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