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2013-03-05 at 17:27

Too crowded? Councillor wants Summer in the Parks moved away from Wednesday

By Jeff Labine, tbnewswatch.com

A city councillor wants to reduce congestion at Prince Arthur’s Landing by having Summer in the Parks scheduled on another day.

The concerts for the summer events have traditionally been held on Wednesdays -- the same day that the harbour is filled with boaters racing. The event usually runs from June until August.

With construction underway for the new condominiums and the Delta hotel, at-large Coun. Larry Hebert believes the marina might be too crowded.

Hebert said he will be putting forward the idea of moving Summer in the Parks to either Tuesdays or Thursdays at the next city council meeting.

“It has been quite a scene down there,” Hebert said.

“People have been parking illegally and security has been brought on as well. You might ask me ‘why not ask the boaters to move?’ Well, they were there first so they have seniority.

"Summer in the Parks used to be up at Waverly Park and they had a stage built. They moved down to Marina Park and it has been a great venue for it, but I just think it gets to congestion on a Wednesday evening.”

Hebert said he wants to make the change for this year and make it permanent. He’s hoping administration will have a report done by April.

Since Summer in the Parks moved to the marina, Hebert said he’s had a few people call him and voice concerns about how crowded the park gets.

“I’ve had a number of calls of people walking too far even though there’s a bus service being offered,” he said. “It was traditionally held on a Wednesday at Waverly Park. I presumed they kept the same night.”

Doug Henry, supervisor for the city’s recreation and culture division, said he will wait until council has formally requested a report before looking into changing the day Summer in the Parks is held. But even if the day were to change, Henry said he doesn’t think it will make any difference.

“Even if we moved it to Tuesday or Thursday, it is going to be very congested down there anyway,” Henry said.

“We try to encourage people to park in the downtown core, park in the parkade and we run a shuttle service. Regardless of it being on Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday night, I think we’re going to have people who want to park in the park and that’s just not feasible.”

Henry said there’s limited space at the marina, which is why the city encourages using the shuttle service and parking elsewhere.

Council last year voted to have the proposed event centre in downtown Port Arthur. Many residents in opposition to the idea agreed it was a bad location because of lack of parking.

Henry said the area is only going to get busier as the city builds up that area with the hotel, condos and event centre.

“In a vibrant city, in a vibrant downtown, that’s what you get,” he said. “If you go to Minneapolis, Minn. and you go to a Viking football game, it’s busy. That’s just the nature of the beast and for me that’s OK.”

He added there will be underground parking for the hotel and condos and a parkade is expected to be built for the event centre
 

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ranma says:
So instead of reaping the windfall of parking tickets, let's move these events around.
3/5/2013 5:51:08 PM
spazz says:
Anyone who gets a parking ticket deserves it. I've used the shuttle service from the parkade several times and I've never even had to park inside. Every time there has been spots still available on the street out front. The shuttle runs often and only takes a couple of minutes.

There IS NO PARKING CONGESTION. There ARE plenty of idiots who think they are too good to ride the bus for 3 minutes.

There isn't really any good reason to move summer in the parks. There is room enough for everyone to co-exist Wed. nights. Mr. Hebert is just finding himself a busywork project and making it out to be more than it is.
3/6/2013 2:00:38 PM
cm punk says:
There is more congestion at city hall
3/5/2013 5:52:56 PM
ring of fire dude says:
If Larry thinks it's congested now wait until the Condos and Hotel are opened up ! Maybe we will get that parking area for the Multi-plex after all .
3/5/2013 6:07:27 PM
passlake says:
wasn't the point of fixing up the waterfront to have it used?

And now it's overused??

"oh, we gotta walk 10 minutes"... boo hoo.. priority parking for those with physical restraints makes sense, but for the rest of us? The walk is probably good.

He "believes the marina might be too crowded"???? So, this is just a personal opinion thing?

if people can't park properly, they get a ticket.. seems simple.

This shouldn't be an issue. Our city has bigger things to worry about.
3/5/2013 6:22:03 PM
YellowSnow13 says:
And these clowns want to put an arena there as well. LOL!!!! This city cracks me up.
3/5/2013 6:43:47 PM
brooky says:
Yup. Gonna be crazy down there when the T Wolves are playing the same night as Summer in the Parks.
3/5/2013 10:18:58 PM
Tiredofit says:
Ummmm, think about that statement...
3/6/2013 6:57:37 AM
ForgotMyName says:
I think that was the point...
3/6/2013 9:29:07 AM
anon says:
Congestion? This is great news! Means the park is finally starting to get used at it's potential.

Thanks for trying to deal with a non-issue there, Larry.
3/5/2013 6:43:51 PM
Meta says:
Good call Mr Hebert! Moving the night for the Summer in the Parks is an excellent idea and issue to address

As for Anon , understand what you are saying before you say it. Apparently you do not attend this city run function on Wednesday night or you could intelligently speak on the matter!
3/6/2013 7:25:11 AM
Urban Guy says:
So spread it around so existing parking is better utilized? Whats wrong with that? It doesnt cost a thing, might even save some people a parking ticket. Don't you people have something more important to whine about? Do you really think the condos and hotel are relying on public parking?
3/5/2013 7:24:00 PM
ANVIL OF CROM says:
so is it larrys fault this eve hit the news take it easy hot heads...
and by the way, its a good idea.
3/5/2013 7:42:15 PM
archjohn says:
this is such a good idea, kinda in the "duh - why didn't I think of that?" category. The challenge of a beautiful waterfront like ours is always programming it so its busy as many days as possible. So here we have one night a week that is jammed with activities and many others that have nothing organised going on....makes total sense to shift things around to spread the wealth around and so no matter when you go down there there's always something fund happening, something different every night! Good thinking Larry!
3/5/2013 8:20:32 PM
tsb says:
Five years ago, Summer in the Parks was a dinky little side show with 15 people in the audience and no one on stage.

Now, it's so big that it doesn't fit.

Makes you feel silly about opposing the waterfront project, doesn't it Mr Hebert?
3/5/2013 8:23:31 PM
baybrewer says:
Are some of you that short sighted? Its a good idea to move it to another day. Why have a large influx in the park just one day a week when it can now be a more manageable group on two nights a week. Gives people more reason and choice to go to the marina for an event.

Good thinking Larry.
3/5/2013 8:33:44 PM
Delbert Grady says:
Just wait until the condo snobs start complaining about noise and parking.

The park is history. It was murdered by Bentz, Dugmore, Peterson, Commieisso, and their associates.
3/5/2013 8:47:58 PM
Swirly-Q says:
History? My family has been thoroughly enjoying the park this winter and can testify that we've never seen the park this active and vibrant (even in the middle of summer, let alone in the dead of winter).
3/6/2013 7:04:50 AM
Delbert Grady says:
When Home Depot first opened it was full of old ladies driving rascals and they had never been in a hardware store their whole lives.

Once the "new thing" wears off, it will be the same.
3/6/2013 8:59:24 AM
Bigtime says:
Who cares about the Condo Snobs? If they choose to spend that big money on a Condo next to downtown on the waterfront in an area where they KNOW events are held (Bluesfest, Summer in the parks, Canada Day) then that is their problem, don't move there then.
3/6/2013 12:40:12 PM
beached says:
I just hope the movies in the marina come back. That was really cool to see hundreds of people all watching Back to the Future
3/5/2013 10:44:01 PM
commonsense says:
Really.
So, we sold the area that was public parking for the condo + hotel. PLUS, the City is enlarging the parking lot by the boat ramps to lease permanent spots there for the hotel, also. Plus, they get all the parking behind the hotel and condos. Plus, we seem to be providing parking for the restaurant.

Too bad there isn't room for the people who provided the $60M+ to "re-develop" our park to actually park there!

Add to that, the Art Gallery would like taxpayers to chip on so they can also relocate to the waterfront and they want the City to provide parking.

Wednesday night is the most sensible night, before the weekend. People like to watch the sailboats out on the lake.

Don't let this get twisted to be "our problem". There is no reason for the condos to be in the park. They do nothing for us, but take up space. Their tax revenue would be the same no matter where.

So now, we start to feel the effects of this stupid decision. Wait a year, see what else changes.

3/5/2013 10:47:19 PM
Today1 says:
I thought that Administration just paid some consultants big money to do some kind of study. The consultants, the BIA, Administration (Mark Smith) say that there is no shortage of parking in that area (5,000?). Are the users not going to be biking and using public transit to go to these events, as they stated. Larry, you need to talk to your fellow councillors and administration, because it's obvious that you have been misinformed and misled by the public.
I've also read here as well (by area restaraunteer), that there is always a lot of available parking in the vicinity of the PUC bldg at any given time...so much for that little secret
3/6/2013 1:03:00 AM
bgal says:
Anon hit the nail on the head. We improved our Marina to attract more people- now we have lots of people and we want to lessen the congestion? Enjoying Summer in the Parks while watching the sailboats racing in the Bay is a true gift of summer.
3/6/2013 6:41:56 AM
hardrawkin says:
Move it to Sunday. The whole of PA is dead as a door nail on that day.
3/6/2013 6:42:14 AM
conker2012 says:
Hebert has no idea what congestion is. IF he things there is congestion downtown on one night than we have bigger problems, Counc. Hebert is one of them. I have travelled across a good portion of Canada, USA and europe. We do not have congestion 5-10 minute delay is nothing. Try sitting in a crawl on a highway for 4 hours that should only take 30 mins. That is gongestion.

Oh parking is soooo far away at the parkade that was build for acessing down town. Get real. Go to a MN Vikings game. Then you will know what it is like to have a hard time getting a close parking space. If parking at the parkade is to far for you to walk then take the bus from there.

The closest thing this city has to congestion is dawson rd or west arthur street on a friday.
3/6/2013 8:36:29 AM
youngintbay says:
Why cant the area were pool 6 was become a parking area. If the ground is to contaminated and cant build on t put a parking lot there. Yeah whats the city going to do when the condos and apartments are up? SO what if we have to walk 10 to 15 mins.
3/6/2013 9:01:03 AM
ForgotMyName says:
So your solution is to put parking twice the distance away then the parkade is right now?
Ya that will shut them up...

The issue I keep hearing is its too busy... you think that spreading out where people are parking would be the best solution but no one wants to use city transit or the existing parking because it's 'too far away'.
3/6/2013 9:38:17 AM
ring of fire dude says:
ForgotMyName: ever been on a transit bus in the evening ? It's a pretty scary place to be with all the upstanding riders peddling drugs ,vomiting , spitting and assaulting drivers and passengers . And as to the Parkade , enjoy walking through the hookers , bums passed out on Red River Road and the junkies shooting up in the alleys and the other short-cuts you may want to take on your way to the Park or Multi-plex .
3/6/2013 1:14:05 PM
ForgotMyName says:
Where are you in the evening?? I have taken the bus late in the day (and early in the morning and during the day for that matter) and have had minimal run ins with the people you described.

As for walking in downtown PA from the Parkade to the water front there is a street called Red River Road that will safely take you from one to the other. If your afraid of Van Norman or any of the busy streets in this area.
3/6/2013 2:16:45 PM
spazz says:
City Transit runs a shuttle that goes from the entrance of the Parkade to the marina and back. It runs often and is rarely full. You won't have to dodge any undesirables (imaginary or otherwise) while using it. You're manufacturing problems that don't actually exist. The solution is already there just waiting for people to use it.
3/7/2013 1:53:26 PM
hoey says:
Why cant these dummies figure this out?? its been how many years??
Why don't they just look at Duluth for example or even Grand Marais marina.. Its not rocket science!!
3/6/2013 9:30:36 AM
Dan Dan says:
The only reason this is being brought up is because of a few complaints from the sailing community. NIMBY strikes again!
3/6/2013 9:54:46 AM
trevor99 says:
to all of the supporters of the new marina.

all of these benefits that have come, movie night, more people, some new exhibits, everything, were all accomplished without one person living in the new condo, or staying in the new hotel.

10 million accomplised this, not the 65 million that was spent.

We all wanted it to be better. It could have been without the disaster that is coming.

I for one will not enjoy looking up to people on balconies, enjoying a million dollar view that we paid for by subsidizing the cost to such a large degree.

And every year we collect taxes from those buildings, we will break even or even lose money because of the interest on the borrowed cash to do it.

the hotel and condo were a bad decision. Period full stop.

3/6/2013 10:02:26 AM
rob20 says:
Our entire council should be fired. The collect stupidity is astonishing. The few hundred people to maybe 1500 on a high end who attend summer in the parks is a congestion issue? Then why are we trying to draw visitors down there will this $150 million improvement? What the heck do you think the event center will do 365 days a year? Why are we having the Blues Festival there then? Fire all these clowns on council and get some people with brains in their heads and ears that work so they can hear how ticked off the public is with this baloney.
3/6/2013 10:43:27 AM
NorthernGuy says:
Extremely strange comments from this councillor. The purpose of investing in the Marina was to get people to go there and the downtown core in general. Festivals like these are built to do just that.
3/6/2013 11:20:11 AM
downtownie says:
LOL The case of NIMBY from a small small sailboat snail pace racing community opposing around 1500 plus people using the park on a Wednesday with food concessions with people spending money. Not sure what the sailboaters next complaint is when the new Arena holding 6000 people for a major concert and it happens to be on a Wednesday Night. Are 16 sailboat racing owners going to say check with us first as we are busy in the bay? lol.
3/6/2013 11:59:29 AM
Bigtime says:
Wow...the idea of the whole Waterfront project and event center/Downtown core entertainment district is to attract attention, BRING people there, and now congestion is an issue? I am not against his decision in regards to moving the date, but worried about congestion NOW? Give me a a break.
3/6/2013 12:38:00 PM
joey joe joe jr. shabadoo says:
To Mr.Larry Hebert:
My daughter mentioned you should watch this video...(pretty sure netflix has it)



Tbnewswatch.com

3/6/2013 1:00:52 PM
pippirose says:
Why can't the boaters race on a different day? Am I missing something, here?
3/6/2013 1:13:05 PM
MD says:
I think you missed the part were the boaters used the classic playground argument of "we were here first", next their going to triple dog dare you to lick the metal sculptures in the winter and we all know you can't back down from a triple dog dare.
3/6/2013 2:15:58 PM
tsb says:
Summer in the Parks has been going on since 1904. It was moved to Marina Park in the 1990s. Not sure how long the yacht club has been racing, but they get special treatment all the time so I guess they should get special preference. Those of us without yachts can handle a little bit of change.
3/6/2013 5:07:48 PM
Glyder says:
Why should they change something that they have been doing for years? As stated they have seniority (lol, for lack of a better word).

But, there is no real reason to change anything. Leave it as it is, Hebert is just flapping his gums.
3/6/2013 3:36:20 PM
ABE SURD says:
People need to eat more vegetables; your brains are deteriorating.
3/6/2013 3:00:57 PM
metisman says:
Mr Hebert, I know you have what you think to be in the best interest of the public at heart but this "project" you have taken on is ridiculous. Instead of looking at the congestion as a problem, why not look at it as a marketable idea. Draw businesses and the public to the waterfront as the place to be. This way you have several days of the week where its congested and being utilized and with this, the city can drive additional revenues as a result. Instead you propose to move an established event that has taken so many years to get to this point, all because you find it congested? Suggestions such as these show that you are short sighted, as many on council are ( given the last approved city budget)and can't think outside the box. Embrace the utilization of the Marina Park, and embrace the congestion.
3/6/2013 3:05:55 PM
joey joe joe jr. shabadoo says:
if the boaters used the classic playground argument of "we were here first", what will they do if & when the arena is built across the street? Tell the concert or hockeygame that "we were sailing here first"? NUTS!
3/6/2013 5:02:44 PM
city-girl says:
just a thought, if congestion is an issue for anyone...why can't summer in the parks be @ waverly this summer if there's so much construction going on? besides, not everything that happens in thunder bay absolutely needs to be at the marina. not a big deal, just a thought.
3/6/2013 5:27:08 PM
oldengineoil says:
The only vehicles that I have seen parked where they shouldn't be are the ones that are parked on the walkways of Pier 2 on race night. They were driven down the walkways and parked there by sailboaters on race night. Last time I checked boat owners are issued 1 permit to park. Maybe the "Crew Permit" should become a thing of the past. How about car-pool like the other boaters do???
3/6/2013 5:29:39 PM
Tracy Hurlbert says:
How about worrying about making the park acccessible to all? The playground isn't accessible to children & adults who use a mobility device, nor are the brand new poorly-lit washrooms in the crowded narrow basement hallway in the Baggage Building. I loved it when the elevator broke down & I couldn't use the washroom or when able-bodied people use the elevator & I can't! My friend's daughter isn't allowed on the ice in her wheelchair so her brother could push her, but someone's dog WAS allowed on it! I can't take my nephew there & help him on the ice, because I use a chair. The ampitheatre's sidewalk is so narrow and the pillars are placed in such a way that one cannot manouver a wheelchair on it without having to go on the grass & the fire pit has no accessible pathway to it! My taxes paid for those improvements, so why can't I enjoy them? In 2013, people with disabilities are still treated as second-class citizens when it comes to accessibility.
3/6/2013 8:56:54 PM
Mazda323 says:
The story doesn't say that it's the boaters that want the night changed, on the contrary I think they enjoy the night as much as the rest of us do. Hebert is just pandering to those who show up at events at the very last minute and expect rock star parking - not gonna happen, not in Thunder Bay, not anywhere. I think it's awesome to see the boats out sailing in front of the giant and enjoying a free concert- where else can you do that?
3/6/2013 10:20:04 PM
watchful says:
Parking a problem, that can't be, we have been told there is more than enough parking especially for building our events centre. So tell me, who is telling the lies this time?
3/7/2013 11:35:55 AM
bttnk says:
Because god forbid anyone should have to walk 10 minutes in this town. That would be a travesty.
3/7/2013 12:11:15 PM
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